The Master Debate

Lets all quit beating around the bush..

Wednesday, May 2, 2007 by Phoon | Discussion: Skinning

With any luck, the title of the post brought forth'e a few snickers and thus led you here to "Parcipitate" in this discussion. So, here we go..

No beating around the bush part:
Gef just uploaded a new Master DX Theme and is beginning to take heat because of it.
Accusations are running amok concerning Master submissions now.

The 2 sides of the argument (this here is the debate part) are:
A) " Since so and so reached a Master status, they don't put out anything for free anymore "

" Who cares, they have worked hard for that right and the end result will in turn dictate weather or not they made a correct decision to do this."

I myself see both sides of the coin on the issue and am kind of in the middle at the moment. Honestly, I do get a little dissappointed when I see exclusive Master content by someone though. On the other hand, it's not a bank breaking investment to buy them either. Hell, I just bought World of Warcraft, plus the expansion pack for $60, and will be shelling out $15 a month to be able to use my $60 initial investment.

The end conclusion... I don't really care! If I like it, and want it, I will buy it.
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Skyjax
Reply #21 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 6:13 PM
You must live in that perfect world the rest of us have been looking for


Well like Richard Mohler says it's my opinion, i know it to be true, so i stand by it, i dont care if anyone rants on at me, i got big broad shoulders You may think it's a perfect world, but if i made you a website lookin the like your competitors you'd be pretty miffed yes? I know you all love Gef, but so do i, i think he's brilliant, but at this moment i also think he's hittin a rut on designing something fresh, and totally diff from the last 4 or 5 skins lookin like Metal Vista, Aero Extreme, Customize and Blue State, they all look the same, or work from the same concept, sorry to be blunt and honest about it, but thats how i see it, i have been guilty of it myself in web design, you sorta stick with what you know cos you know it works, sometimes it's hard to branch out and be radical. I bought his Dx Pda one cos i thought it was differnt and compact so i do support him. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, with out it we would all be as boring as eachother.

vStyler
Reply #22 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 6:17 PM
I'll Swap you a WB for an equally good site   

Jafo
Reply #23 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 6:18 PM

It's entirely the perogative of the Master skinner to determine which skin he will wish to sell vs which will be free.  If there is a perception that a Premium skin is very similar to one of their free ones...then do the clever thing....dl and use the free one.

If a master determines a similar ver saleable... that similarity may affect sales...so he'll perhaps be more creative/new next time.

So, they do NOT 'need to be new, fresh...etc'.

 

Now to specifics....it's totally offside to be pointing at Gef, singling him out for disdain/dissatisfaction.

Precious-few people have done MORE than he has, and he thoroughly deserves his opportunity to see a return for all his past input/effort.

 

Threads such as this, raising concerns/debate about the concept of Masters/skin sales, etc....more sensibly should avoid specific example as it is decidedly unfair on those inadvertently caught in the spotlights...


Phoon
Reply #24 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 6:20 PM
Going back through the comments on most of the master level blinds and DX themes, you can easily see it is a small small percentage of individuals complaining about it. The excuses vary from "I'm not paying unless I try it first" to "I'm not buying skins anymore because I keep losing them." We won't go in to the political correctness of bullshit right now, but rather save that for a more entertaining episode of "Paint-On Place" (Ya gotta be old to catch that one).

It's funny, I bet if you went to a site called masters.wincustomize.comor something similar as the only avenue for Master content, these people would quit complaining. (an option I would NOT be in favor of). It's the mixing of the freebies and the payme's that some minds cannot separate without severe drool bucket overload.  


vStyler
Reply #25 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 6:23 PM
If there is a perception that a Premium skin is very similar to one of their free ones...then do the clever thing....dl and use the free one.


omg.     

...and EXCELLENT post Phoon.   

Skyjax
Reply #26 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 6:37 PM
OMG i gotta laugh, it's amazing how all the fans come out the woodwork and slowly attack your comments, cos it dont flow with their thoughts...look lets get this straight if i like a theme and its free, i'll d/load it, if i like it and its a master skin i'll pay for it, which i have, i dont mind that at all. I was sayin as murex and Richard did, they are looking the same, thats all, never mentioned about money, good luck to em if they make cash from their hard work. Surely its gotta be new or fresh to sell thats what im saying.

Murex
Reply #27 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 7:16 PM
If a master determines a similar ver saleable... that similarity may affect sales...so he'll perhaps be more creative/new next time.
So, they do NOT 'need to be new, fresh...etc'.


If Henry Ford had of followed that philosophy every one would still be driving black model T's. Funny every one is encouraged to come out with new Ideas but the masters who are suppose to be the best don't have to. Well I guess when Brad was complaining that no one was being creative all they wanted to do was build clocks and weather objects he was right.

Jafo
Reply #28 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 7:21 PM

If Henry Ford had of followed that philosophy every one would still be driving black model T's

That would actually be a good thing....the 'T' is more economical to run than Ford's current output....and has far less environmental impact....


Murex
Reply #29 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 7:26 PM
That would actually be a good thing....the 'T' is more economical to run than Ford's current output....and has far less environmental impact....



Always the politician...  

vStyler
Reply #30 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 7:27 PM
For the record I happen to agree with you about a few skins, I believe Master Skins should go above and beyond. But again, the market will take care of itself via competition.

Its a good thing.   

Phoon
Reply #31 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 7:38 PM
Threads such as this, raising concerns/debate about the concept of Masters/skin sales, etc....more sensibly should avoid specific example as it is decidedly unfair on those inadvertently caught in the spotlight


Jafo, you above all should know that it would have taken a turn to that particular item in a very very short time. It happens all the time in threads. I took it straight to the point, that's all.
Nothing rude or distasteful was aimed at Gef at all, and if you look at the item you will see exactly why I chose to explore this method.   

Jafo
Reply #32 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 7:44 PM

Phoon, yes....saw the skin's comments...and understand the relocation of the debate...as a good thing.

Now it's here we can perhaps be more general and less specific, that's all...


ALMonty
Reply #33 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 7:50 PM
My complaint is "There is not enough of them!" 8 dollars is pretty cheap for all the time goes into creating a theme(even if it looks like the last couple skins they created). Personally if they charged 15 to 20 dollars it still would be worth it.

Just a comment from the other side of the fence 

buzzh58
Reply #34 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 8:46 PM
omg , just noticed second line of Post Title..


Kinda reminds me of the old cartoon, Captain Pugwash, who's crew consisted of a Master Bates, Seaman Stains and last but not least Roger the cabin boy.

ShelbyGT_The_Car
Reply #35 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 9:20 PM
I agree totally with Phoon - if you like it you buy it! If you don't then don't...
easy as that... but seems people are so used to getting everything here for nothing. That now they have to pay to get what they want and it hurts to come up with a little cash to get what used to be free.
It's kind of like taking the candy away from the baby maybe???

But I'll always buy if I like it! Price is no big deal if it is what I like.
Things are usually better when you pay for it - that or they are suppose to be anyway.

So simple that is and so hard it is to come to the new changes.
But I totally agree Phoon and I hope the others will see the light.

SGT

Skyjax
Reply #36 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 9:29 PM
last but not least Roger the cabin boy.


lol i remember that but it was Tom the Cabin Boy

Phoon
Reply #37 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 10:00 PM
we can perhaps be more general and less specific, that's all...


Yeah, I hate it that it's centering around Gef, as that was NOT the intent at all.
I think almost every master author has seen this type of comment on their work at one time or another..  

Skinhit
Reply #38 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 10:34 PM
I just don't get why this is even up for discussion...Masters have been promoted not only for their commitment to the community, but also the quality of work that they contribute (and until now was free). Anyone who actually makes it to Master status deserves to have the opportunity to generate a little gain for their hard work...what a great incentive for them...anyone who complains about Masters and their Master Skins need to get over it. I mean look at the world around you and how messed up it is, complain about kids who have no food, complain about those without shelter, complain about all the corruption there is, not Master Skins...Masters - I applaud you and think it's about time you are given this opportunity...

Vampothika
Reply #39 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 10:36 PM
"quote if i like it, i want it, i will buy it."

that sums up my opinion too....i concur.

boss0190
Reply #40 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 10:49 PM
I just don't get why this is even up for discussion.


Seems people just like whining. It makes them happy.

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