The Master Debate
Lets all quit beating around the bush..
Wednesday, May 2, 2007 by Phoon | Discussion: Skinning
With any luck, the title of the post brought forth'e a few snickers and thus led you here to "Parcipitate" in this discussion. So, here we go..
No beating around the bush part:
Gef just uploaded a new Master DX Theme and is beginning to take heat because of it.
Accusations are running amok concerning Master submissions now.
The 2 sides of the argument (this here is the debate part) are:
A) " Since so and so reached a Master status, they don't put out anything for free anymore "
" Who cares, they have worked hard for that right and the end result will in turn dictate weather or not they made a correct decision to do this."
I myself see both sides of the coin on the issue and am kind of in the middle at the moment. Honestly, I do get a little dissappointed when I see exclusive Master content by someone though. On the other hand, it's not a bank breaking investment to buy them either. Hell, I just bought World of Warcraft, plus the expansion pack for $60, and will be shelling out $15 a month to be able to use my $60 initial investment.
The end conclusion... I don't really care! If I like it, and want it, I will buy it.
No beating around the bush part:
Gef just uploaded a new Master DX Theme and is beginning to take heat because of it.
Accusations are running amok concerning Master submissions now.
The 2 sides of the argument (this here is the debate part) are:
A) " Since so and so reached a Master status, they don't put out anything for free anymore "
" Who cares, they have worked hard for that right and the end result will in turn dictate weather or not they made a correct decision to do this."I myself see both sides of the coin on the issue and am kind of in the middle at the moment. Honestly, I do get a little dissappointed when I see exclusive Master content by someone though. On the other hand, it's not a bank breaking investment to buy them either. Hell, I just bought World of Warcraft, plus the expansion pack for $60, and will be shelling out $15 a month to be able to use my $60 initial investment.
The end conclusion... I don't really care! If I like it, and want it, I will buy it.
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ArileenDesign
Reply #42 Thursday, May 3, 2007 2:33 AM
Reply #42 Thursday, May 3, 2007 2:33 AM
Skinhit said
I just don't get why this is even up for discussion...Masters have been promoted not only for their commitment to the community, but also the quality of work that they contribute (and until now was free). Anyone who actually makes it to Master status deserves to have the opportunity to generate a little gain for their hard work...what a great incentive for them...anyone who complains about Masters and their Master Skins need to get over it. I mean look at the world around you and how messed up it is, complain about kids who have no food, complain about those without shelter, complain about all the corruption there is, not Master Skins...Masters - I applaud you and think it's about time you are given this opportunity...
Lantec
Reply #43 Thursday, May 3, 2007 7:56 AM
Reply #43 Thursday, May 3, 2007 7:56 AM
My 2 cents.....
The Masters (ALL of them) have already provided a great deal of their time to the community. They deserve the accolades and appreciation of those who have benefited. They also deserve the rewards of their WORK like anyone else. If someone is willing to pay for their product, thats great. I hope they are very successful. I've got a few Master skins myself. No Complaints.
Word of warning......
To those who have attained that status and would ONLY do Master skins, you may find your faithful audience shrinking as time goes on and your older (free) skins become dated. New people who come to the site will not have "known" you like those of us who watched you become a master and therefore will be hesitant to open their wallets. Throwing a few good, free skins into the mix would help you maintain that following and benefit the community.
The Masters (ALL of them) have already provided a great deal of their time to the community. They deserve the accolades and appreciation of those who have benefited. They also deserve the rewards of their WORK like anyone else. If someone is willing to pay for their product, thats great. I hope they are very successful. I've got a few Master skins myself. No Complaints.
Word of warning......
To those who have attained that status and would ONLY do Master skins, you may find your faithful audience shrinking as time goes on and your older (free) skins become dated. New people who come to the site will not have "known" you like those of us who watched you become a master and therefore will be hesitant to open their wallets. Throwing a few good, free skins into the mix would help you maintain that following and benefit the community.
barsinister
Reply #44 Friday, May 11, 2007 11:35 AM
wtf. you are being anilitical and stupid!
Reply #44 Friday, May 11, 2007 11:35 AM
If Henry Ford had of followed that philosophy every one would still be driving black model T's
That would actually be a good thing....the 'T' is more economical to run than Ford's current output....and has far less environmental impact....
wtf. you are being anilitical and stupid!
PoSmedley
Reply #45 Friday, May 11, 2007 11:47 AM
See, I like this. The thread has been dead for about 8 days. Then you come in. You pick a comment about 9 days old to remark on. Now, you have a few options and you chose to just be blunt and slightly derogatory...or a tad inflammatory.
And you had to do it in reference to a comment Jafo made.
So, I'm just gonna pull up a seat and some popcorn. It's not often I get to see someone walk blindly into the blades of a helicopter.
Reply #45 Friday, May 11, 2007 11:47 AM
wtf. you are being anilitical and stupid!
See, I like this. The thread has been dead for about 8 days. Then you come in. You pick a comment about 9 days old to remark on. Now, you have a few options and you chose to just be blunt and slightly derogatory...or a tad inflammatory.
And you had to do it in reference to a comment Jafo made.
So, I'm just gonna pull up a seat and some popcorn. It's not often I get to see someone walk blindly into the blades of a helicopter.
Jafo
Reply #46 Friday, May 11, 2007 12:00 PM
Reply #46 Friday, May 11, 2007 12:00 PM
It's not often I get to see someone walk blindly into the blades of a helicopter.
It's gooey...and it tends to hurt...
Jafo likes being analytical and stupid....it's good for the soul...
Phoon
Reply #48 Friday, May 11, 2007 12:24 PM
Nothing like calling someone else stupid, and giving a class A example of your own ignorance at the same time!
an·a·lyt·ic
–adjective
1. pertaining to or proceeding by analysis (opposed to synthetic).
2. skilled in or habitually using analysis.
3. (of a language) characterized by a relatively frequent use of function words, auxiliary verbs, and changes in word order to express syntactic relations, rather than of inflected forms. Compare synthetic (def. 3), polysynthetic (def. 1).
4. Logic. (of a proposition) necessarily true because its denial involves a contradiction, as “All husbands are married.”
5. Mathematics. a. (of a function of a complex variable) having a first derivative at all points of a given domain; holomorphic; regular.
b. (of a curve) having parametric equations that represent analytic functions.
c. (of a proof) using analysis.
Also, an·a·lyt·i·cal.
Reply #48 Friday, May 11, 2007 12:24 PM
wtf. you are being anilitical and stupid!
Nothing like calling someone else stupid, and giving a class A example of your own ignorance at the same time!
an·a·lyt·ic
–adjective
1. pertaining to or proceeding by analysis (opposed to synthetic).
2. skilled in or habitually using analysis.
3. (of a language) characterized by a relatively frequent use of function words, auxiliary verbs, and changes in word order to express syntactic relations, rather than of inflected forms. Compare synthetic (def. 3), polysynthetic (def. 1).
4. Logic. (of a proposition) necessarily true because its denial involves a contradiction, as “All husbands are married.”
5. Mathematics. a. (of a function of a complex variable) having a first derivative at all points of a given domain; holomorphic; regular.
b. (of a curve) having parametric equations that represent analytic functions.
c. (of a proof) using analysis.
Also, an·a·lyt·i·cal.
Disturbedcomputer
Reply #49 Sunday, September 9, 2007 7:08 AM
Reply #49 Sunday, September 9, 2007 7:08 AM
I think that if the skin is good enough to sell it, more power to the Skinner
BUT;
I Don't think it should just be the Master Skinners to reap all the $$$.
it Should be anyone how can make a good skin..
Like this Skin:
SD Desktop (wb) By Vad_M
you know it's like telling the new person at work, you have to work here for free for 5 to 7 years before you can start to charge for your time and effort.
You would not stay at that job, now would you?
that is what this site is doing with all the talented artiest.
oh, and what's up with not letting us know how many the Master skin has downloaded, you know it shows the Price instead of how many people have gotten it. SHOW both.
Question;
Does the Skinner get all the $$$ or have to share it with WinCustomize and/or StarDock.
If your not satisfied with your new Skin purchase you should be able to get your money back.
but may main point here is that you should be able to sell your Skin and not have to be a Master Skinner.
why, well every one that has Uploaded SkinS knows some thing about skinning and more then likely has schooling of some sort. (graphics, ADOBE or something like that) so they to have put time and effort in to
best wishes to all the Talented Skinners
P.S. TOTALLY OFF topic
where the heck do you go learn how to use Adobe PhotoShop CS2. I would like to learn how
to make skins. tried to make a bootskin from a step by step but he (By Cyberworld)left out exactly how to make the progress bar image.. not for the very very beginner..
BUT;
I Don't think it should just be the Master Skinners to reap all the $$$.
it Should be anyone how can make a good skin..
Like this Skin:
SD Desktop (wb) By Vad_M
you know it's like telling the new person at work, you have to work here for free for 5 to 7 years before you can start to charge for your time and effort.
You would not stay at that job, now would you?
that is what this site is doing with all the talented artiest.
oh, and what's up with not letting us know how many the Master skin has downloaded, you know it shows the Price instead of how many people have gotten it. SHOW both.
Question;
Does the Skinner get all the $$$ or have to share it with WinCustomize and/or StarDock.
If your not satisfied with your new Skin purchase you should be able to get your money back.
but may main point here is that you should be able to sell your Skin and not have to be a Master Skinner.
why, well every one that has Uploaded SkinS knows some thing about skinning and more then likely has schooling of some sort. (graphics, ADOBE or something like that) so they to have put time and effort in to
best wishes to all the Talented Skinners
P.S. TOTALLY OFF topic
where the heck do you go learn how to use Adobe PhotoShop CS2. I would like to learn how
to make skins. tried to make a bootskin from a step by step but he (By Cyberworld)left out exactly how to make the progress bar image.. not for the very very beginner..
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #51 Sunday, September 9, 2007 8:15 AM
Reply #51 Sunday, September 9, 2007 8:15 AM
Yes, you can. But beware of the master debators, the site is full of them 
starkers
Reply #52 Sunday, September 9, 2007 8:32 AM
In the hierarchy of things a Sir is supposedly higher up than a master....now all I have to do is come up with something worth selling, I guess.
Seriously, good on you BoXXi, and all those who have attained 'Master' status.
Reply #52 Sunday, September 9, 2007 8:32 AM
Huh?? I can SELL my stuff now??? Cooool!!!!
In the hierarchy of things a Sir is supposedly higher up than a master....now all I have to do is come up with something worth selling, I guess.
Seriously, good on you BoXXi, and all those who have attained 'Master' status.
BoXXi
Reply #53 Sunday, September 9, 2007 3:55 PM
Reply #53 Sunday, September 9, 2007 3:55 PM
i WAS joking of course...... i DID know that I can sell stuff now, I've just never made anything yet that I thought I could charge for. Maybe if I can come up with a REALLY good Xion skin I could sell that for a couple of dollars. We'll see................ 
Starkers: I speet on your lousy "sir"........ I don't need no steenkin' title!
Unless they bring out a "God" title......
Starkers: I speet on your lousy "sir"........ I don't need no steenkin' title!
Unless they bring out a "God" title......
vStyler
Reply #54 Sunday, September 9, 2007 4:03 PM
Actually i thought maybe one step up from Master would be nice.... Legend.
just a thought.
Reply #54 Sunday, September 9, 2007 4:03 PM
Unless they bring out a "God" title......
Actually i thought maybe one step up from Master would be nice.... Legend.
just a thought.
Phoon
Reply #55 Sunday, September 9, 2007 4:06 PM
Careful guys, you'll throw your back out trying to kiss your own ass like that.. LOL
Reply #55 Sunday, September 9, 2007 4:06 PM
Unless they bring out a "God" title......
Actually i thought maybe one step up from Master would be nice.... Legend.
Careful guys, you'll throw your back out trying to kiss your own ass like that.. LOL
starkers
Reply #56 Sunday, September 9, 2007 4:31 PM
I was offered that one but turned it down cos I wanna rest on the sixth day as well as the seventh.
Besides, it comes with too many responsibilities and not enough appreciation...there's always someone complaining it's raining too much...or not enough where there's a dry spell. No thanks, I'll just stick with wot I got.
Careful guys, you'll throw your back out trying to kiss your own ass like that.. LOL
Yep, that's a distinct possibility....oh, the imagery.....now I'm tossing up whether or not that'd be fun to watch...being as how my spine is becoming more like a pretzel with each year.
Reply #56 Sunday, September 9, 2007 4:31 PM
I don't need no steenkin' title!
Unless they bring out a "God" title......
Unless they bring out a "God" title......
I was offered that one but turned it down cos I wanna rest on the sixth day as well as the seventh.
Besides, it comes with too many responsibilities and not enough appreciation...there's always someone complaining it's raining too much...or not enough where there's a dry spell. No thanks, I'll just stick with wot I got.
Careful guys, you'll throw your back out trying to kiss your own ass like that.. LOL
Yep, that's a distinct possibility....oh, the imagery.....now I'm tossing up whether or not that'd be fun to watch...being as how my spine is becoming more like a pretzel with each year.
vStyler
Reply #57 Sunday, September 9, 2007 5:13 PM
of course, i wasn't referring to myself.. what kind of example would that set?
Reply #57 Sunday, September 9, 2007 5:13 PM
Careful guys, you'll throw your back out trying to kiss your own ass like that.. LOL
of course, i wasn't referring to myself.. what kind of example would that set?
ZubaZ
Reply #58 Sunday, September 9, 2007 9:46 PM
A skinner won't find a better marketplace than here to start off with. WC is one of the de facto centers of skinning on the web now. A skinner that spends time investing in this place gets repayed by a really good place to market their stuff.
Reply #58 Sunday, September 9, 2007 9:46 PM
but may main point here is that you should be able to sell your Skin and not have to be a Master Skinner.
Any skinner can sell any skin they want . . but only masters can do it here. A skinner won't find a better marketplace than here to start off with. WC is one of the de facto centers of skinning on the web now. A skinner that spends time investing in this place gets repayed by a really good place to market their stuff.
vStyler
Reply #59 Sunday, September 9, 2007 10:17 PM
Thats exactly right and I speak as someone who sells both on my own site and here. I can assure you there's a marked difference in volume on WC compared to anywhere else. Of course..they get their cut but its still far more.
Reply #59 Sunday, September 9, 2007 10:17 PM
A skinner won't find a better marketplace than here to start off with. WC is one of the de facto centers of skinning on the web now. A skinner that spends time investing in this place gets repayed by a really good place to market their stuff.
Thats exactly right and I speak as someone who sells both on my own site and here. I can assure you there's a marked difference in volume on WC compared to anywhere else. Of course..they get their cut but its still far more.
buzzh58
Reply #60 Sunday, September 9, 2007 11:52 PM
No of course not, you never talk about yourself.
Reply #60 Sunday, September 9, 2007 11:52 PM
Actually i thought maybe one step up from Master would be nice.... Legend.
of course, i wasn't referring to myself..
No of course not, you never talk about yourself.
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Reply #41 Thursday, May 3, 2007 1:40 AM
but I also know the feeling of seeing a skin i would love to have, but cant part with the funds at that point...so I see that part of the equasion too..
But i see no need to hold any thing against the skinners .. they have given so much but ask so little.............