Linux is gonna get really big....
Saturday, April 28, 2007 by Uvah | Discussion: Community
Was surfing on SkinBase a little while ago and ran across this article found by mickeblue. Kudos to him for bringing it to our attention. WWW Link...The more Bill Gates continues going this route the more he stands to lose. History is replete with those who get so greedy they lose sight of what's really important. The very people they depend on for their billions...us!
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Armbut
Reply #2 Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:12 AM
One gigabyte of RAM memory is the practical minimum for Vista (except Home Basic which will run in 500 megabytes).
The minimum for Home Basic is 512MB not 500. There is almost no way you can get a modern PC to have 500MB of RAM, even if the system used shared integrated video.
He just must not have caught the error.
Reply #2 Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:12 AM
One gigabyte of RAM memory is the practical minimum for Vista (except Home Basic which will run in 500 megabytes).
The minimum for Home Basic is 512MB not 500. There is almost no way you can get a modern PC to have 500MB of RAM, even if the system used shared integrated video.
He just must not have caught the error.
tjesterb
Reply #3 Saturday, April 28, 2007 1:44 PM
I have to agree with Fuzzy. My employer's rollout of a Novell based thin-client (Suse 9.1) is running into one problem after another. And we are instructed to order all new Windows PCs with XP for as long as possible. After that, any PC with Vista pre-installed it to be wiped and have XP manually installed.
Reply #3 Saturday, April 28, 2007 1:44 PM
Vista is messed up and you have to agree with a lot of what he says, but, Linux is not the answer.
I have to agree with Fuzzy. My employer's rollout of a Novell based thin-client (Suse 9.1) is running into one problem after another. And we are instructed to order all new Windows PCs with XP for as long as possible. After that, any PC with Vista pre-installed it to be wiped and have XP manually installed.
ZubaZ
Reply #4 Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:01 PM
Reply #4 Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:01 PM
XP is a very stable OS with good support from the vendor and a long period of shking out the bugs. When it was released it had many of the same type of complaints that Vista has now. Same thing with Win95.
I like a lot of things about Linux but it's not ready for prime time. Much of this has to do with the support model and third parties.
I think it has it's place, but I don't think it will be on business desktops.
I like a lot of things about Linux but it's not ready for prime time. Much of this has to do with the support model and third parties.
I think it has it's place, but I don't think it will be on business desktops.
whatwhere
Reply #5 Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:18 PM
Reply #5 Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:18 PM
linux will never be big unless the OS can support all major hardware and software the way winblows does. this is the reason why we are stuck with microshaft,trust me when i say IF linux had a great GUI like winblows and supported all major hardware and software like winblows can,i would blow out winblows and install linux in a heart beat ,but since linux can not support all hardware and software for now we are stuck with winblows.now my question is....is there any way i can get a mac OS to run on a pc?
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also linux would have to have a 1000% completely customizable GUI as well
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also linux would have to have a 1000% completely customizable GUI as well
TXpatriot
Reply #6 Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:49 PM
Reply #6 Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:49 PM
My wife and I tried Linux recently (Unbuntu). We both came to the same conclusion. It's one big pain in the rear to get the simplest thing done.
The CD is now a coaster, and we're back to XP.
The CD is now a coaster, and we're back to XP.
scorpNZ
Reply #7 Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:56 PM
Reply #7 Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:56 PM
There's no way linux will ever be taken up by the masses unless they make it more about use-ability,turn on a windows machine it's all there and easy as pie right down to installing any software,turn on a linux machine and the majority would think wtf it's even more complicated if you have to use the command line to install anything and don't get me started on mounting drives
EDIT: No you can't run OS natively on a pc but you can if you...
WWW Link
EDIT: No you can't run OS natively on a pc but you can if you...
WWW Link
Uvah
Reply #8 Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:56 PM
Reply #8 Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:56 PM
All well and good but...until something is done 'microshaft'...lol, I like that, will have us all by the short hairs...bummer.
Astyanax
Reply #9 Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:37 PM
Reply #9 Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:37 PM
Gotta agree with xscorpx, Linux is not a user friendly OS. Linux has ALOT of work to be done before it can be considered a user friendly OS. It goes right down to installing applications. There is no EXE you just click on or dragging the Icon into Applications(OS X) and that will really screw the majority of users up big time.
Phoon
Reply #10 Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:14 PM
Some... yes but it is very very pale in comparison to what Vista is doing.
Reply #10 Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:14 PM
When it was released it had many of the same type of complaints that Vista has now.
Some... yes but it is very very pale in comparison to what Vista is doing.
technosinner
Reply #11 Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:28 PM
Reply #11 Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:28 PM
Then again, some applications don't run on Vista, but almost NO high end software (read here Adobe, Autodesk et al) run on Linux without some major MAJOR work, and even then...
I'd love to see Linux be more compatible, because I love Beryl
But it's not the solution right now...
BTW, I don't use Vista either!
I'd love to see Linux be more compatible, because I love Beryl
But it's not the solution right now...BTW, I don't use Vista either!
Nimbin
Reply #12 Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:25 PM
Reply #12 Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:25 PM
if we all look back to when XP was first released, it was messed up too, service pack 2 bought windows XP into the mainstream, vista is the same. every new o/s will have some teething problems. there are so many different system configurations out there that to expect a problem free run is not possible, as more and more people send bug issues into microsoft they will start to build fixes. this is the reason i will not be upgrading to vista until the first service packs
Vampothika
Reply #13 Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:16 AM
Reply #13 Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:16 AM
sounds to me like bill is just in it for the money...and screw the consumer.....thats nice, but im clinging to my xp like a life raft!! hey UVAH thanks for the article man, you ROCK!
Lassan
Reply #14 Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:30 AM
Reply #14 Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:30 AM
I think that's a very one sided article.. I don't have Vista yet, but what I know about it and what I understand, it isn't that bad.
Sounds more like tabloid speculation and 'hippie-like attitude' to me: Microsoft will rule the world! zomG!
Sounds more like tabloid speculation and 'hippie-like attitude' to me: Microsoft will rule the world! zomG!
Uvah
Reply #15 Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:54 AM
Reply #15 Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:54 AM
Gotta remember one thing...the bigger they are...the more noise they make when they hit the floor. Like Ma Bell...too big is not necessarily a good thing. If Bill was really smart...he'd embrace an ever increasing PC market and create an O/S that will do it all...without the DRM...the restrictions...and all that good stuff. Open source, though highly unlikely, seems a good way to go. Who knows...maybe there's a person out there that can take his O/S beyond what it is and make it much more user friendly than it is.
NGTV
Reply #16 Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:49 AM
Reply #16 Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:49 AM
Open source tears big projects apart.
Look at how incompetent GIMP, Blender and Audacity are. tsk tsk tsk.
Linux- Unless you really want to spend more time self-indulging in tweaking using command-line, it's not for you. I *think* most people here would agree with me.
Look at how incompetent GIMP, Blender and Audacity are. tsk tsk tsk.
Linux- Unless you really want to spend more time self-indulging in tweaking using command-line, it's not for you. I *think* most people here would agree with me.
ZubaZ
Reply #17 Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
What a load of B.S. kitty.
"Bill" is in it for the stockholders. The stockholders are in it for the money. That's the whole point. There is no money in OSS unless your business model is support. For MS (not Bill) to make money they need to have consumers give them money.
Microsoft probably spent more money designing Vista than we will ever make. They do know the business and they will make money and we'll get a good product.
I disagree. Installing apps in Ubuntu (my distro of choice these days) is very easy. And depending on what you are using your PC for, your linux disto will work fine. (Most people I know browse the web, chat, and use a spreadsheet or word processor.)
I always recommend OSs to friends that ask that do what they want for the least amount of money. You want tech support, games, price, cuting-edge technology, etc., make a matrix and pick the best fit. It's an OS, not a religion.
Reply #17 Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
sounds to me like bill is just in it for the money...and screw the consumer.....thats nice, but im clinging to my xp like a life raft!!
What a load of B.S. kitty.
If Bill was really smart...he'd embrace an ever increasing PC market
and create an O/S that will do it all...without the DRM...the
restrictions...and all that good stuff. Open source, though highly
unlikely, seems a good way to go.
"Bill" is in it for the stockholders. The stockholders are in it for the money. That's the whole point. There is no money in OSS unless your business model is support. For MS (not Bill) to make money they need to have consumers give them money.
Microsoft probably spent more money designing Vista than we will ever make. They do know the business and they will make money and we'll get a good product.
Linux is not a user friendly OS. Linux has ALOT of work to be done before it can be considered a user friendly OS. It goes right down to installing applications. There is no EXE you just click on or dragging the Icon into Applications(OS X) and that will really screw the majority of users up big time.
I disagree. Installing apps in Ubuntu (my distro of choice these days) is very easy. And depending on what you are using your PC for, your linux disto will work fine. (Most people I know browse the web, chat, and use a spreadsheet or word processor.)
I always recommend OSs to friends that ask that do what they want for the least amount of money. You want tech support, games, price, cuting-edge technology, etc., make a matrix and pick the best fit. It's an OS, not a religion.
Morpheous416
Reply #18 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 3:35 PM
Vista is messed up and you have to agree with a lot of what he says, but, Linux is not the answer.
Linux, like any other OS, is the answer to the 21st century plague known as Windows. Linux has it's world...the backbone of the internet runs on it. However, as pointed out, until they get "exe" compatible type installations and get away from all the command line usage, it will remain unfriendly to those that can't grasp its use.
Ubuntu 7, has an available 3D desktop driver enhancement that threw me thru a loop...Linux models have had, and are still developing 3D desktops that blow anything MS has ever come up with...right out of the ballpark. But, they need development. They need support. An idea can't get off the ground if someone always falls back on "that's not the answer" and walks away.
A distribution that has a ton of applications ready to go as soon as you're done installing, puts MS's $500 to $1,000 suites right into the piracy bins. All free.
But...the right tool for the right job. And, there are tools for you to run any OS you want to.
A skinnable Linux?? Now that would be awesome as well. WindowBlinds for Linux!! (now watch those of us that brought it up or support that not get a royalty check in the mail)
Reply #18 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 3:35 PM
Vista is messed up and you have to agree with a lot of what he says, but, Linux is not the answer.
Linux, like any other OS, is the answer to the 21st century plague known as Windows. Linux has it's world...the backbone of the internet runs on it. However, as pointed out, until they get "exe" compatible type installations and get away from all the command line usage, it will remain unfriendly to those that can't grasp its use.
Ubuntu 7, has an available 3D desktop driver enhancement that threw me thru a loop...Linux models have had, and are still developing 3D desktops that blow anything MS has ever come up with...right out of the ballpark. But, they need development. They need support. An idea can't get off the ground if someone always falls back on "that's not the answer" and walks away.
A distribution that has a ton of applications ready to go as soon as you're done installing, puts MS's $500 to $1,000 suites right into the piracy bins. All free.
But...the right tool for the right job. And, there are tools for you to run any OS you want to.
A skinnable Linux?? Now that would be awesome as well. WindowBlinds for Linux!! (now watch those of us that brought it up or support that not get a royalty check in the mail)
Agrabren
Reply #19 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 4:38 PM
This is unrealistic. MS knows everyone hates DRM. But let me ask you? Do you really believe Microsoft runs the world? Microsoft is under pressure to either support ever-stronger DRM, or not play DVDs. Look how much longer it took for Linux to be able to play a simple DVD than Windows. This wasn't developers being lazy, this was CSS being a protected asset. I hope you don't buy DVDs, since you're supporting DRM in the forms of both CSS and Macrovision. The restrictions aren't there because Bill wants to restrict you, they're there because the companies who own the content want to protect it. Even Stardock protects their assets. Apple doesn't let you play iTunes songs on anyone elses mobile player? Open Source has a downside. The greatness that is open source doesn't pay the bills in most cases, which is why it's a coin-toss if an open source package will be great, or just confusing.
Reply #19 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 4:38 PM
If Bill was really smart...he'd embrace an ever increasing PC market and create an O/S that will do it all...without the DRM...the restrictions...and all that good stuff.
This is unrealistic. MS knows everyone hates DRM. But let me ask you? Do you really believe Microsoft runs the world? Microsoft is under pressure to either support ever-stronger DRM, or not play DVDs. Look how much longer it took for Linux to be able to play a simple DVD than Windows. This wasn't developers being lazy, this was CSS being a protected asset. I hope you don't buy DVDs, since you're supporting DRM in the forms of both CSS and Macrovision. The restrictions aren't there because Bill wants to restrict you, they're there because the companies who own the content want to protect it. Even Stardock protects their assets. Apple doesn't let you play iTunes songs on anyone elses mobile player? Open Source has a downside. The greatness that is open source doesn't pay the bills in most cases, which is why it's a coin-toss if an open source package will be great, or just confusing.
vStyler
Reply #20 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 5:13 PM
Reply #20 Wednesday, May 2, 2007 5:13 PM
Why oh why they cant make it as easy as windows to install "everything" I have no idea. When they do..it will flourish, until then.. not as I see it.
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Reply #1 Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:48 AM