Why do we have to cater to the lowest common denominator?
Thursday, March 22, 2007 by Dragoro | Discussion: Animated Wallpapers
I understand that theres gotta be dreams for the massess, but how come there cant be higher end dreams? Not all of us are stuck using low end computers. How come there cant be some dreams for us that have up to date computers?
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viking396
Reply #2 Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:24 PM
Reply #2 Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:24 PM
There are a few high resolution dreams but some of the dreams are created on lower end hardware soooooooo..... 
ZubaZ
Reply #3 Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:19 PM
How come you are asking someone to do this when you could render using your high powered PC and give back?
Reply #3 Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:19 PM
how come there cant be higher end dreams?
How come you are asking someone to do this when you could render using your high powered PC and give back?
NightTrainthedark
Reply #4 Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:26 PM
"We" aren't catering to anybody.
Reply #4 Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:26 PM
Why do we have to cater to the lowest common denominator?
"We" aren't catering to anybody.
Chasbo
Reply #5 Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:48 PM
Reply #5 Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:48 PM
Hey Dragoro are you being an elitist? Are you the kind of person Frogboy was talking about a little while back? Have you no sense of Community? Not all of us can drop a couple thou on a new rig to run the Almighty Vista Ultimate! I resent your post! 
Yosmel
Reply #6 Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:03 PM
Reply #6 Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:03 PM
I'm just a tad curious, if I may ask: Just what IS this "higher end" dream you speak of that "lower end" machines can't run? Do you require ungodly resolutions and anything below 1080p is completely unacceptable? Is the quality of the artwork being presented here by both Stardock and the wonderful individual artist not quite up to par with your definition of "high end"? Is there something I'm missing?
Don't take this post the wrong way, please. I truly am 100% genuinely curious about your post. I simply want a little more details concerning your comments, thats all.
Don't take this post the wrong way, please. I truly am 100% genuinely curious about your post. I simply want a little more details concerning your comments, thats all.
Bebi Bulma
Reply #7 Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:13 PM
Reply #7 Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:13 PM
I don't see anything wrong with the post, I don't see anything elitist about it at all. It seems like a genuine questions as to why dreams for more "capable" pc's aren't being made (apparently). As I see it, people who have the money to get Vista must already have pretty good computers in the first place (lord knows I'm not one of them).
Sometimes one size *doesn't* fit all. It's called variation...some "standard" dreams as well as the more high quality ones. More the merrier and something for everyone.
Sometimes one size *doesn't* fit all. It's called variation...some "standard" dreams as well as the more high quality ones. More the merrier and something for everyone.
PoSmedley
Reply #8 Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:25 PM
I agree. I think first of all, 'attitude' can be read into things when you can't 'hear' the tone. Secondly, lowly XP users like myself (lol) will be asking the opposite soon enough as everything moves more and more towards Vista.
Reply #8 Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:25 PM
I don't see anything wrong with the post, I don't see anything elitist about it at all. It seems like a genuine questions as to why dreams for more "capable" pc's aren't being made (apparently). As I see it, people who have the money to get Vista must already have pretty good computers in the first place (lord knows I'm not one of them).
Sometimes one size *doesn't* fit all.
Sometimes one size *doesn't* fit all.
I agree. I think first of all, 'attitude' can be read into things when you can't 'hear' the tone. Secondly, lowly XP users like myself (lol) will be asking the opposite soon enough as everything moves more and more towards Vista.
ZubaZ
Reply #9 Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:29 PM
Reply #9 Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:29 PM
I think th OP could have asked the same question in a better manner and not come off like someone who is owed something.
His question does have some value but without quantitative details on what is low end, what is high-end, what is wrong with the current dreams, and what he would like out of future dreams it's near impossible to answer.
Tone is always hard to convey in text, maybe Dagoro wants to try again?
His question does have some value but without quantitative details on what is low end, what is high-end, what is wrong with the current dreams, and what he would like out of future dreams it's near impossible to answer.
Tone is always hard to convey in text, maybe Dagoro wants to try again?
Yosmel
Reply #11 Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:41 PM
That's kind of what I wanted to achieve with my post. I know (or at least think) that he has a very valid point, but he just found a really bad way of expressing himself. Frankly I think if the OP were to restate his post with more details and perhaps find a better way or ironing out that tone found in the first post, we'd get somewhere.
Reply #11 Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:41 PM
Tone is always hard to convey in text, maybe Dagoro wants to try again?
That's kind of what I wanted to achieve with my post. I know (or at least think) that he has a very valid point, but he just found a really bad way of expressing himself. Frankly I think if the OP were to restate his post with more details and perhaps find a better way or ironing out that tone found in the first post, we'd get somewhere.
511b
Reply #12 Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:14 PM
Reply #12 Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:14 PM
This is a perfect example of "$h!t and run" it happens all the time people come in complain and leave. No need to call out the militia. I have really nothing to offer the community I can make simple log-ons and I've only ever had one really good one. I can't give much therefore I don't ask for much. I just wish I had skills other than photography.
Yosmel
Reply #13 Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:19 PM
Exactly my friend. I have only been here with Wincustomize since DreamScene was released, which isnt much. In that short timeframe I haven't contributed a single piece of anything, and seeing as how I lack any artistic skill whatsoever, I dont plan to. Saying all of that, what right do I have to _itch and moan about this and that? I would accept someone making an argument against that for premium content, but considering the pricetag even that doesn't hold together very strongly.
As cliche as it sounds - beggars cant be choosers.
Reply #13 Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:19 PM
I can't give much therefore I don't ask for much.
Exactly my friend. I have only been here with Wincustomize since DreamScene was released, which isnt much. In that short timeframe I haven't contributed a single piece of anything, and seeing as how I lack any artistic skill whatsoever, I dont plan to. Saying all of that, what right do I have to _itch and moan about this and that? I would accept someone making an argument against that for premium content, but considering the pricetag even that doesn't hold together very strongly.
As cliche as it sounds - beggars cant be choosers.
Erk.
Reply #14 Friday, March 23, 2007 12:30 AM
Reply #14 Friday, March 23, 2007 12:30 AM
In defense [if that is what I have to call it] of Dragoro ...I was talking to him just this morning in irc. He had a minor problem with ObjectDock+ not being nice with his Vista machine, and I was helping him with it.
The whole time we were talking, he was extremely polite, very patient [as there were times I had to just leave him there waiting for my response, as I'm at work] and had absolutely no 'undertone' in his conversation with me. It was refreshing.
This is the problem with forums ...people DO read more into a post than is actually there, and I think this is a result of people coming to expect there will be a nasty person amongst the good ones, as this is the nature of the beast [read: internet] we are using as our medium.
In this case, Dragoro is NOT the bad guy, and although I don't know him personally, from the conversation we had today I'd say he meant well but did'nt get the message across as intended.
Back to topic please....
The whole time we were talking, he was extremely polite, very patient [as there were times I had to just leave him there waiting for my response, as I'm at work] and had absolutely no 'undertone' in his conversation with me. It was refreshing.
This is the problem with forums ...people DO read more into a post than is actually there, and I think this is a result of people coming to expect there will be a nasty person amongst the good ones, as this is the nature of the beast [read: internet] we are using as our medium.
In this case, Dragoro is NOT the bad guy, and although I don't know him personally, from the conversation we had today I'd say he meant well but did'nt get the message across as intended.
Back to topic please....
Erk.
Reply #15 Friday, March 23, 2007 12:41 AM
Reply #15 Friday, March 23, 2007 12:41 AM
By the way ... I firmly believe that what we've seen so far by way of .dreams ...is just the tip of the iceberg.
Wet Monkey
Reply #16 Friday, March 23, 2007 1:12 AM
Reply #16 Friday, March 23, 2007 1:12 AM
I guess a lot depends on the context that you look at things but I think that perhaps Dragoro's post was judged a little out of context at times here. I have often wondered why Microsoft themselves has not come out with more content for this application, (rhetorical question..no response required ), and if in fact they are depending solely on companies like Stardock and the community here to support and release content for this new tool they have released for Vista Ultimate. The dream file format, created by MS requires Ultimate and a fairly beefy system to run correctly. That's not elitist or snobbish on Dragoro's part, just a fact of life.
Dragoro makes a valid point for those who have shelled out a lot of money for high end systems so that they can run applications like this and others that are in the works.
I don't find that in the least offensive or "elitist" but rather a pretty straight forward question as to the what the future might hold for the investment he has made.
This kind of reminds me of that commercial, "Don't hate me cause I'm beautiful"
), and if in fact they are depending solely on companies like Stardock and the community here to support and release content for this new tool they have released for Vista Ultimate. The dream file format, created by MS requires Ultimate and a fairly beefy system to run correctly. That's not elitist or snobbish on Dragoro's part, just a fact of life.Dragoro makes a valid point for those who have shelled out a lot of money for high end systems so that they can run applications like this and others that are in the works.
I don't find that in the least offensive or "elitist" but rather a pretty straight forward question as to the what the future might hold for the investment he has made.
This kind of reminds me of that commercial, "Don't hate me cause I'm beautiful"
PoSmedley
Reply #17 Friday, March 23, 2007 6:09 AM
bingo!
Reply #17 Friday, March 23, 2007 6:09 AM
This is the problem with forums ...people DO read more into a post than is actually there, and I think this is a result of people coming to expect there will be a nasty person amongst the good ones, as this is the nature of the beast [read: internet] we are using as our medium.
bingo!
ZubaZ
Reply #18 Friday, March 23, 2007 7:14 AM
Reply #18 Friday, March 23, 2007 7:14 AM
I try to assume that anything I read here is meant in the best possible way. It's a leap of faith sometimes and sometimes fails. But it's worth the effort every time.
bistro
Reply #19 Friday, March 23, 2007 7:56 AM
Reply #19 Friday, March 23, 2007 7:56 AM
I'll be coming out with some decent high-end Dreams just as soon as those idiots out at Los Alamos Labs give me access to the Cray super computer they have there. I was told I have to wait until it stops crunching some kind of data having to do with the origin of the universe....
HG_Eliminator
Reply #20 Friday, March 23, 2007 8:09 AM
Reply #20 Friday, March 23, 2007 8:09 AM
i for one have an up to date pc.. i choose not to run vista.. I think he didnt realize his wording would sound so smug...we need to remember that not everybody is up on netticut, and not all are as well scripted and versatile in articulating their thoughts in to words as others are......
I think he didnt realize his wording would sound so smug...we need to remember that not everybody is up on netticut, and not all are as well scripted and versatile in articulating their thoughts in to words as others are......Please login to comment and/or vote for this skin.
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Reply #1 Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:24 PM
I am the lowest denominator?
Everytime I think I'm caught up...