Why use 64bit?

Friday, February 23, 2007 by Fuzzy Logic | Discussion: Windows Vista

I'm just curious to know why so many people are using 64bit Vista. Most applications are 32bit only and won't run on 64bit.  Also 32bit applications with 64bit compatibility actually run slower on 64bit than they do on 32bit. Genuine 64bit applications should fly along of course, but there aren't many out there.

We had a similar choice when installing 6 new Windows 2003 servers recently. We ended up with only one 64bit server (SQL) because none of the currently available software (including Exchange 2003) would run on 64bit. All the other servers are 32bit. The future may be 64bit, but that isn't going to happen for a while.

So the question remains, why did you install 64bit Vista? I read about so many people having compatability problems with 64bit just makes me wonder   

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adni18
Reply #21 Monday, February 26, 2007 2:09 AM
My experience is that 64bit are much faster than 32bit, but because of too many compatibility issues I am back running to 32bit.

Though, by installing a fresh copy of 32bit Windows XP every 1-2 months you will have the faster OS Ever

Forget about the beautiful Vista for the moment, unless you are one of those people who are using IE, Outlook Express and Office only. Maybe after one year Vista will be an option for me...
Among other issues, all those security warnings with almost everything you are trying to do, were a continues torture I couldn't stand.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #22 Monday, February 26, 2007 2:15 AM

  I would not run Vista 64-bit yet.  I know of far too many programs and drivers that don't support it yet.
When it gets better supported, I would use it because it can address more memory.

Exactly. Though we are already seeing people routinely use 4Gb of memory. For now that is a limitation I'm willing to live with in exchange for program/driver compatibility.

32bit architecture is very restrictive by today's hardware standards, but unless 64bit suddenly becomes better supported it will be the only sensible choice for quite some time.

XX
Reply #23 Monday, February 26, 2007 11:37 PM
If you REALLY want speed, just install windows 95 on your current computer.

I tried it once, and it was insanely fast, and it was ON virtual PC!
Dr Guy
Reply #24 Tuesday, February 27, 2007 2:08 PM

I would not run Vista 64-bit yet.  I know of far too many programs and drivers that don't support it yet.


When it gets better supported, I would use it because it can address more memory.



Bing! Beat me to it! Why 64 bit? Memory! Golden Memories!
2badmice
Reply #25 Sunday, March 4, 2007 2:06 PM

My New PC came with full 64 XP bit pro disc.. seemed cool at the time..until Photoshop menus looked like hell, My webcam drivers weren't available from logitech.. etc etc etc.

So now im back to 32 bit, with my 64 bit disc sitting in a drawer, useless to me.

honestly I didnt see any noticable increase in speed, reliability or..anything.   


Logitech will have released x64 drivers, unless the camera is really old.

Photoshop for me looks fine!

I've been running XPx64 for 17 months now.
Brandon Andrews
Reply #26 Monday, March 5, 2007 1:10 AM
64-bit is the future, obviously, and I foresee having 4GB of RAM in a year or two. 64-bit Vista also has better DEP support and PatchGuard. Not that I ever had security issues running as an admin in XP for five years, but it sounds good.
I installed 64-bit Vista because I thought all my hardware would function at least as well as on 32-bit Vista. Unfortunately, a mentally handicapped individual at Leadtek had mis-labeled the drivers for my TV tuner card.   Perhaps they get a tax break, but they've lost a customer.
The only app incompatility I've experienecd, related specifically to x64, was with Rhapsody. They haven't fixed it in over a month, so I will use one of several competing services instead.
I see it as a culling of the herd.
XX
Reply #27 Monday, March 5, 2007 2:15 AM
I see it as a culling of the herd.


That's an interesting view. It may be even accurate.
Nuxx
Reply #28 Monday, March 5, 2007 2:46 AM
I use x64 and have for over 18 months. Main reason for me is to access more than 3gb of ram. No software I use doesn't run on x64 (and I use quite a lot). I use solidworks daily for work. The x64 version of solidworks is far superior to x86. I have just purchased vista ultimate as it runs things faster than XP. The upgrade from XP to vista was no where near as painful as upgrading to XP was. If you don't video edit or 3D model, or use high end apps then you wont notice anything in x64 other than the problems it can bring.
Shackleford
Reply #29 Wednesday, March 7, 2007 8:22 PM
The only message coming across to me is people in general have no idea what 64bit computing is, and what the advantages/disadvantages are   


Sounds like your original post was bait as you know the diffrence but you want to point at poeople that appear less intelligent or something.

Myself I have not installed 64b vista yet but my plan is to install it and use it as my main computer and as long as VMware works on it nothing else matters (all hardware worked fine on beta).
UBoB
Reply #30 Wednesday, March 7, 2007 9:42 PM
32 more bits
Jake37
Reply #31 Thursday, March 8, 2007 9:59 PM
Well being that your on the 64 bit Question, I'm a Gamer and I have Bought Vista Ultimate and installed the 64 bit version, why, because there are several new games coming out that i want to play and some are already out in 64 bit version, and one question? Doe's DreamScene for Vista Ultimate work on 64 bit and DeskScapes. I have the DreamScene installed but gives me this error cannot run DreamScene because desktop is configured and says the Desktop is not correct size!, not sure what part of the desktop configuration they mean (size 1280x1024 is mine now) or doe's the error refere to (64 bit OS) being wrong and needs (32 bit OS)?
Jake37
Reply #32 Thursday, March 8, 2007 10:18 PM
Well being that your on the 64 bit Question, I'm a Gamer and I have Bought Vista Ultimate and installed the 64 bit version, why, because there are several new games coming out that i want to play and some are already out in 64 bit version, and one question? Doe's DreamScene for Vista Ultimate work on 64 bit and DeskScapes. I have the DreamScene installed but gives me this error cannot run DreamScene because desktop is configured and says the Desktop is not correct size!, not sure what part of the desktop configuration they mean (size 1280x1024 is mine now) or doe's the error refere to (64 bit OS) being wrong and needs (32 bit OS)?


Ok i figured it out, I am running Dual Monitors and i guess you have to run a single Monitor only unless there is a setting somewhere to fix this problem!

Running ATI X800XL 256mb memory DDR3
adni18
Reply #33 Saturday, March 24, 2007 12:06 PM
I was wrong in my statement above #21

Windows Vista is the BEST OS ever!
I am using it for 2 weeks now and I find only "wow" options
There are no problems at all for me!
vStyler
Reply #34 Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:13 PM
32 more bits


  
Draginol
Reply #35 Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:31 AM

I expect I'll be using 64-bit Vista within another two years. By then, the compatibility issues should be largely dealt with.

But I've done my due with OS/2, I'm not going to be an early adopter.  I am already keenly aware of the extra work developers have tod o to support 64-bit.  I know a lot of our apps don't support 64-bit yet because of the extra work combined with small market.

Wet Monkey
Reply #36 Sunday, March 25, 2007 2:12 AM
Wanted to take advantage of the 4gigs of memory I have and my 64 bit processor. I have been running the 64 bit version of Vista since its release and have had far less problems with it than I had in any previous version of MS OS's in the same time frame. I have only run into 2 applications that will not work with it currently, one of which is Windows Blinds. I have heard that the 64 bit version of WB is coming so I am a happy camper so far. All in all it seems much more stable and like many others, I believe that 64 bit applications will be the norm over the next few years so why not ?
Uvah
Reply #37 Sunday, March 25, 2007 4:06 AM
Running 64-bit O/S on a 32-bit machine is ok as far as that goes. Wait until the 64-bit machines hit the market more than they are now and you'll have a screamer+. Speed is only limited by the amount of data lines on the MB. Vista64 on a 64-bit machine...light speed would be slow in comparison. I 'll wait until all drivers and such are available.
This way when I build my next one it'll beat the crap out of the one I have
Loki
Reply #38 Sunday, March 25, 2007 4:46 AM
x64 Processing Architechture is to do with your processor. 32 bit and 64 bit completely different processors.

If you do have a 64 bit processor, get a 64 bit version of Windows Vista or XP. But the main problem is support, support is the main issue, but this issue has been addressed poorly. As there has been a lack of support for Vista multiplied by the lack of support for 64 bit.

Its like buying a really fast car, but u can't go into 6th gear. I'm glad Apple had an easier time implementing their new technologies. If u r having trouble wid x64 go back 2 32 bit and sigh about the lack of compadibility. Sigh, that 3 billion dollars and 2 years overdue hasn't been able to show the majority of users new technology. Tho i used x64 Vista and most applications work fine, drivers are the main issue tho.

There is no solid answer, tho there should b, x64 opens a vast improvement in technology, but unfortunately the infrastructure to provide this is lacking and it is a gamble to users.

Its called dual booting!!!

Feel like such a hypocrite saying that lol, and im onli 17 argh!!!
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #39 Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:06 AM

I know a lot of our apps don't support 64-bit yet because of the extra work combined with small market.

Until 64bit becomes more mainstream support is going to be patchy at best, it's just not cost effective. The end user loses out of course, but we should be used to that by now I will be waiting for the right moment before going 64bit. At least with Vista you get a 32/64 choice on install, so a future step up isn't so painful and costly.

For now 32bit suits me fine. 64bit is too leading edge to be practical, despite it's advantages. I've mostly gone back to XP for day to day pc use anyway. I'll be waiting till the whole thing matures.

Gollums
Reply #40 Wednesday, April 4, 2007 12:18 PM
Well you seem to have gotten your answer already, but to add my 25 cents ( damn inflation!   ) I bought the Windows Ultimate retail vesion and you have the option of 32 or 64 bit. I installed 32 bit for now because of two big reasons - drivers and Object Desktop. Once they are availible and running in 64 bit versions, you can bet I'll be doing a fresh clean install again with 64bit.

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