Where are the good looking "dreams"
Tuesday, February 13, 2007 by Michael Frank LS | Discussion: Animated Wallpapers
Ok, now, after the Preview of DreamScene is up, i thought "let's check SD if they released their extension". And indeed, you guys did...but where are the nice nature scenes showed earlier? I mean, those three you have there done even fit nearly to Vista.
Still, i hope you dont get this too wrong, maybe i was just too fast.
Still, i hope you dont get this too wrong, maybe i was just too fast.
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Frogboy
Reply #23 Friday, February 16, 2007 3:16 PM
Reply #23 Friday, February 16, 2007 3:16 PM
We agree to disagree then. As for free, to me, paying as much as I did for the Ultimate version of Vista meant I paid for this part of it too.
Now, tell me Stardock is doing this free and someone isn't being paid for their work... no wait, there is a contract with Microsoft oh yeah, thats right Stardock is getting paid.
Now, tell me Stardock is doing this free and someone isn't being paid for their work... no wait, there is a contract with Microsoft oh yeah, thats right Stardock is getting paid.
Actually, no. Stardock was paid to create the content that is part of Windows DreamScene - the download. That content hasn't been released and will be part of the Ultimate Extras. But that has nothing to do with Dream.WinCustomize.com or the content Stardock has provided.
Don35
Reply #24 Friday, February 16, 2007 5:46 PM
Reply #24 Friday, February 16, 2007 5:46 PM
Sorry, but I needed to put my two cents in... And, don't get me wrong, I am pleased as punch that you are providing this product free of charge... So, let me start off with a hardy THANKS!!!
I understand what you are saying about the holding of customers interests. That makes perfect sense. But if you come out and say, "I have really cool stuff, but you can't have it until I am satisfied that you have spent enough time on our website" then that really just sounds insulting to the customer. Also by saying "We don't want to give you our best stuff yet, cause then everything else that follows will pale in comparison" then you are implying that what you have is the best that will ever come out for this product. I find that hard to believe. If you put the best stuff out there then it will motivate people to try and create some better stuff.
Again, let me reiterate, I am not complaining. Thanks for listening.
I understand what you are saying about the holding of customers interests. That makes perfect sense. But if you come out and say, "I have really cool stuff, but you can't have it until I am satisfied that you have spent enough time on our website" then that really just sounds insulting to the customer. Also by saying "We don't want to give you our best stuff yet, cause then everything else that follows will pale in comparison" then you are implying that what you have is the best that will ever come out for this product. I find that hard to believe. If you put the best stuff out there then it will motivate people to try and create some better stuff.
Again, let me reiterate, I am not complaining. Thanks for listening.
viking396
Reply #25 Friday, February 16, 2007 6:23 PM
My commentary regarding leading with your weak/ or not best stuff I feel is valid, I never said they should release all of their content up front. I feel even now that you lead with something that nails it, the high cpu usage battery sucking dreams that came out initially in my view were a poor effort. This is my opinion and I'm allowed it, that doesn't mean I won't use the product when it starts to meet the goals as outlined by Microsoft and that is, low CPU usage and little or no affect on battery life.
As for my comments about working for my boss, who do you think Stardocks boss is, US so the analogy is valid but by no means to I feel you have to feel that way and I don’t feel anybody else has to, but I do so like it or don’t.
Where did I say boo hoo I paid for this so I should get this now??? I never said that, I was told this is all free, I stated that I paid for Vista Ultimate which includes Dreamscene so I did indeed pay for it since it’s only valid for people who bought Ultimate. I also stated that Microsoft contracted Stardock, nobody does anything in business for free.
I feel my input is useful, perhaps if you had some kind of capability to comprehend what people write you’d understand better and not take what I have said so far out of context. As for making a fool of oneself good job at doing such a nice job yourself.
As for your last note, I too am looking forward to trigger based dreams like the sunset and waterfall dreams.
Reply #25 Friday, February 16, 2007 6:23 PM
Viking, if you lost interest because they didn't release all their content at once, then leave. But stop making ignorant remarks comparing you working for your boss (which you're required to do) and the tactics of a successful company/business.
You also say "Boo hoo, I paid so much for Vista Ultimate that I should get this now!"
Quit whining like a little bitch. Ultimate owners are the ones who will get this in updates. And unless you have some useful input, stop typing and making a fool of yourself.
On another note, I'm really looking forward to the sunset dream, a waterfall & running water dream, and some planet and space dreams.
You also say "Boo hoo, I paid so much for Vista Ultimate that I should get this now!"
Quit whining like a little bitch. Ultimate owners are the ones who will get this in updates. And unless you have some useful input, stop typing and making a fool of yourself.
On another note, I'm really looking forward to the sunset dream, a waterfall & running water dream, and some planet and space dreams.
My commentary regarding leading with your weak/ or not best stuff I feel is valid, I never said they should release all of their content up front. I feel even now that you lead with something that nails it, the high cpu usage battery sucking dreams that came out initially in my view were a poor effort. This is my opinion and I'm allowed it, that doesn't mean I won't use the product when it starts to meet the goals as outlined by Microsoft and that is, low CPU usage and little or no affect on battery life.
As for my comments about working for my boss, who do you think Stardocks boss is, US so the analogy is valid but by no means to I feel you have to feel that way and I don’t feel anybody else has to, but I do so like it or don’t.
Where did I say boo hoo I paid for this so I should get this now??? I never said that, I was told this is all free, I stated that I paid for Vista Ultimate which includes Dreamscene so I did indeed pay for it since it’s only valid for people who bought Ultimate. I also stated that Microsoft contracted Stardock, nobody does anything in business for free.
I feel my input is useful, perhaps if you had some kind of capability to comprehend what people write you’d understand better and not take what I have said so far out of context. As for making a fool of oneself good job at doing such a nice job yourself.
As for your last note, I too am looking forward to trigger based dreams like the sunset and waterfall dreams.
viking396
Reply #26 Friday, February 16, 2007 6:23 PM
I don't feel anybody owes me anything, I simply expect what I pay for, don't you?
Reply #26 Friday, February 16, 2007 6:23 PM
Well said Venom, some people are never happy and they seem to think the rest of the world owes them something 
I don't feel anybody owes me anything, I simply expect what I pay for, don't you?
viking396
Reply #27 Friday, February 16, 2007 6:32 PM
Zoomba,
I agree with your analogy regarding content, that was very well said but I still feel if you release something it should work as advertised and I feel that 20%+ CPU usage for a product that Microsoft claims has very low usage and little to no affect on battery life should even in it’s early form deliver on that.
I have to take into account that this is pre-release so I apologize to both you and Frogboy for beating this into the ground. I am looking forward to the trigger based dreams and look forward to them. I just hope you understand that not all people can have machines where they don’t care about how much CPU is being used, PC’s are generally no big deal, but laptop users, even the ones who have the highest performing ones would like to be able to use this as it was billed without having to turn off settings when they unplug the cord.
Thank you for putting it into perspective, have a great weekend!
Reply #27 Friday, February 16, 2007 6:32 PM
There's a big difference between deliverables at your job, and how you release content to the public. When releasing content such as these Dreams, we want to maintain people's interest over the long term. If we put out all of the absolutely killer stuff right now, people would snatch it up, then leave and likely not return. If people don't return, chances are they'll miss other great content down the line. It's called pacing and build-up. We start with a taste, something to get people going and interested and as time goes we build and build.
How would you feel if your weekly TV show packed all of it's killer stuff into the first 3 or 4 episodes, and the rest just fell off? The led off with their best stuff but didn't follow-through. Normally they hook you with something really good at the start, but the big punch is usually saved for the season ender, which they build up to for weeks. Also, every week they usually leave you with some reason to come back (more, better content).
How would you feel if your weekly TV show packed all of it's killer stuff into the first 3 or 4 episodes, and the rest just fell off? The led off with their best stuff but didn't follow-through. Normally they hook you with something really good at the start, but the big punch is usually saved for the season ender, which they build up to for weeks. Also, every week they usually leave you with some reason to come back (more, better content).
Zoomba,
I agree with your analogy regarding content, that was very well said but I still feel if you release something it should work as advertised and I feel that 20%+ CPU usage for a product that Microsoft claims has very low usage and little to no affect on battery life should even in it’s early form deliver on that.
I have to take into account that this is pre-release so I apologize to both you and Frogboy for beating this into the ground. I am looking forward to the trigger based dreams and look forward to them. I just hope you understand that not all people can have machines where they don’t care about how much CPU is being used, PC’s are generally no big deal, but laptop users, even the ones who have the highest performing ones would like to be able to use this as it was billed without having to turn off settings when they unplug the cord.
Thank you for putting it into perspective, have a great weekend!
viking396
Reply #28 Friday, February 16, 2007 6:37 PM
Ok, thank you for the clarification, sorry for the rant. Have a good weekend.
Reply #28 Friday, February 16, 2007 6:37 PM
Actually, no. Stardock was paid to create the content that is part of Windows DreamScene - the download. That content hasn't been released and will be part of the Ultimate Extras. But that has nothing to do with Dream.WinCustomize.com or the content Stardock has provided.
Ok, thank you for the clarification, sorry for the rant. Have a good weekend.
Jafo
Reply #29 Friday, February 16, 2007 6:41 PM
Reply #29 Friday, February 16, 2007 6:41 PM
As for my comments about working for my boss, who do you think Stardocks boss is, US so the analogy is valid
No, Stardock's "boss" is the respondent here called 'Frogboy', so comparative analogies should defer to the source/authority.
On a separate note, let's refrain from calling others 'bitch', etc [big OR little].
Disagreement is fine....name-calling isn't....
eyesurgeon
Reply #30 Friday, February 16, 2007 7:40 PM
Reply #30 Friday, February 16, 2007 7:40 PM
Hey I'm just grateful for free stuff. Having said that, with a 30 inch monitor the dreams available here don't really look very good because they are stretched to the max. If they were say 2560x1600 I would be happy. Hint, hint...
blakebateman
Reply #31 Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:17 AM
Reply #31 Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:17 AM
Everyone shut the hell up!! i found theese dreamscenes to be an AMAZING step forward in desktop computing. What more is needed to be said?
Thanks for your hard work fellas looks great. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for your hard work fellas looks great. Keep up the good work!
Jafo
Reply #32 Saturday, February 17, 2007 6:13 AM
Reply #32 Saturday, February 17, 2007 6:13 AM
Having said that, with a 30 inch monitor the dreams available here don't really look very good because they are stretched to the max.
I have the perfect solution.... I'll swap you my 19" ....and I'll be happy to 'endure' stretched images on the 30"....no problemo....
viking396
Reply #33 Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:17 AM
Um, ok, I'm not getting into a tit for tat on what a boss is, my reply wasn't technical. THe buying public decides if a company lives or dies (other factors as well but not going there) so thats what I was meaning by boss. Anyway, I apoligized and having had a few days to reflect have no idea why his comments set me off, so I apologize to Frogboy once again.
Reply #33 Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:17 AM
As for my comments about working for my boss, who do you think Stardocks boss is, US so the analogy is valid
No, Stardock's "boss" is the respondent here called 'Frogboy', so comparative analogies should defer to the source/authority.
On a separate note, let's refrain from calling others 'bitch', etc [big OR little].
Disagreement is fine....name-calling isn't....
Um, ok, I'm not getting into a tit for tat on what a boss is, my reply wasn't technical. THe buying public decides if a company lives or dies (other factors as well but not going there) so thats what I was meaning by boss. Anyway, I apoligized and having had a few days to reflect have no idea why his comments set me off, so I apologize to Frogboy once again.
ti1701
Reply #34 Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:37 AM
Reply #34 Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:37 AM
All this talk of giving best content reminds me of when they were releasing the Looney Tunes Golden Collection. People saw the shorts for Volume 1 and said "Hey, where's this one? Where's that one?" and the response from the Warner Brothers person was something along the lines of "Okay, we'll just release a set with "One Froggy Evening", "What's Opera Doc" and the rest, and WHY will you buy Volume 2?" Refreshingly honest, I thought.
or the time I went to see Barenaked Ladies in concert and this drunk woman kept yelling out for "If I Had A $1,000,000" and finally Steven said "Okay, fine! We'll do that one right now and then we can all go home! Will that make you happy?"
or the time I went to see Barenaked Ladies in concert and this drunk woman kept yelling out for "If I Had A $1,000,000" and finally Steven said "Okay, fine! We'll do that one right now and then we can all go home! Will that make you happy?"
Automan
Reply #35 Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:04 AM
Reply #35 Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:04 AM
Hi folks;
I have a trial copy of Adobe After Effects. Now where do you find good Scenery to edit as avi and then turn it into a dreamscape?
Or better yet what is the process? I am going to use this with DesktopX and have a moving Background......I have painter and all of the trees and schrubs and dirt I neet to place into DesktopX as a cover background.
Automan
I have a trial copy of Adobe After Effects. Now where do you find good Scenery to edit as avi and then turn it into a dreamscape?
Or better yet what is the process? I am going to use this with DesktopX and have a moving Background......I have painter and all of the trees and schrubs and dirt I neet to place into DesktopX as a cover background.
Automan
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Reply #21 Friday, February 16, 2007 7:14 AM
How would you feel if your weekly TV show packed all of it's killer stuff into the first 3 or 4 episodes, and the rest just fell off? The led off with their best stuff but didn't follow-through. Normally they hook you with something really good at the start, but the big punch is usually saved for the season ender, which they build up to for weeks. Also, every week they usually leave you with some reason to come back (more, better content).