Are ratings by subscribers applying ?
Wednesday, January 3, 2007 by Fairyy~ | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I noticed that ratings seem a bit off lately. Most of the time it it 'feels' like my rating doesn't even apply. I hit the star and my cursor seems to bounce off. Sometimes a page starts to reload when I hit a star to rate.
What I'm noticing is that a lot of different galleries the ratings on various items remain what they were given when uploaded from moderation. Its like the subscribers ratings are nulled out and can't over ride a moderators rating at all. Even in screen shots I've noticed that my rating doesn't change anything when it always did before.
For example:
WWW Link
This wall has 1 star. There is nothing wrong with this wall. It may not be a Masterpiece but it certainly merits more than a 1 star rating.
2 subscribers gave this wall 5 stars and yet it remains on 1 star. I cant see how this is possible if ratings are being applied.
This is only one example...Ive seen quite a few items like this. Ratings aren't changing from the initial rating even though some items have 10 + comments ( all good )
What I'm noticing is that a lot of different galleries the ratings on various items remain what they were given when uploaded from moderation. Its like the subscribers ratings are nulled out and can't over ride a moderators rating at all. Even in screen shots I've noticed that my rating doesn't change anything when it always did before.
For example:
WWW Link
This wall has 1 star. There is nothing wrong with this wall. It may not be a Masterpiece but it certainly merits more than a 1 star rating.
2 subscribers gave this wall 5 stars and yet it remains on 1 star. I cant see how this is possible if ratings are being applied.
This is only one example...Ive seen quite a few items like this. Ratings aren't changing from the initial rating even though some items have 10 + comments ( all good )
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Zoomba
Reply #22 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 2:20 PM
Reply #22 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 2:20 PM
I just double checked this rating again against our ratings algorithm and the final score checks out perfectly. The issue is that higher levels are more heavily weighted than people think.
This blocks the drive-by raters from dropping a skin artifically, or from someone else having all of their friends sign up to the site to raise the score artificially.
This blocks the drive-by raters from dropping a skin artifically, or from someone else having all of their friends sign up to the site to raise the score artificially.
ZubaZ
Reply #24 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 2:40 PM
Reply #24 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 2:40 PM
ZubaZ contemplates a whole "Ratings are the Devil's work" hijack
/me realizes it's been done
Move along, move along
/me realizes it's been done
Move along, move along
Cavan1
Reply #25 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 2:42 PM
Reply #25 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 2:42 PM
Hey Zoomba, on last question; since I am aware of a couple ratings issues, one of which was reported to an Admin by me, has the ratings algorithm recently been tweaked to help negate drive by ratings thus affecting ratings overall.
OK, now you can go back to something more important than this
OK, now you can go back to something more important than this
Cavan1
Reply #26 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 2:46 PM
Reply #26 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 2:46 PM
Oh and a somewhat related question, is T-Man still working on getting the ratings filters working again for the skins galleries, all skins still visible when not logged in.
Fairyy~
Reply #27 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 2:47 PM
Thanks...I just wanted to be sure ...it felt different lately..I feel my rating is not access class 3 - as Cavan said before - if a skin had a rate of 2.5 - all I had to do was rate it a 3 or 4 star. Not even 5 stars seem to matter when I rate at this time. Ive been rating skins a long time - I know not that many bother rating screen shots. Something doesnt feel right.
Well....this has been a big debate for awhile. Im sure a few moderators will agree with me on this too. We dont have a rating system of 1 through 10 . On my end i get 5 choices. " I hate it " I don't like it " Its Ok " I like it " and 5 star being " I love it "
Its no different if I rate something 5 stars because I do actually " love " it..than the person that keeps hitting the 1 star " I hate it " because they just dont care for it. That wall with the Happy Face was well done...I happen to like it...It wasnt a Masterpiece but...last week there was a " wall" that stated " this is a screen capture " of my Media Player Visual " It had 3 stars.
How do you equate a screen capture of visual that someone else made the visuals..and nothing more than a screen shot of it and its rated a 3 star wall? No effort in that..at least the Happy Face took a bit of time to do and it was kinda fun.
Reply #27 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 2:47 PM
| Your rating is there. It's working. |
Thanks...I just wanted to be sure ...it felt different lately..I feel my rating is not access class 3 - as Cavan said before - if a skin had a rate of 2.5 - all I had to do was rate it a 3 or 4 star. Not even 5 stars seem to matter when I rate at this time. Ive been rating skins a long time - I know not that many bother rating screen shots. Something doesnt feel right.
| If something is rated a 2 star and you feel it should be a 3 star, you give it a 3. You don't give it a 5 because it will help raise the average up to a 3 faster. |
Well....this has been a big debate for awhile. Im sure a few moderators will agree with me on this too. We dont have a rating system of 1 through 10 . On my end i get 5 choices. " I hate it " I don't like it " Its Ok " I like it " and 5 star being " I love it "
Its no different if I rate something 5 stars because I do actually " love " it..than the person that keeps hitting the 1 star " I hate it " because they just dont care for it. That wall with the Happy Face was well done...I happen to like it...It wasnt a Masterpiece but...last week there was a " wall" that stated " this is a screen capture " of my Media Player Visual " It had 3 stars.
How do you equate a screen capture of visual that someone else made the visuals..and nothing more than a screen shot of it and its rated a 3 star wall? No effort in that..at least the Happy Face took a bit of time to do and it was kinda fun.
Fairyy~
Reply #28 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 2:50 PM
This is not about " These ratings are unfair and sucky "
Its about something feels amiss to me. I dont want to bother logging in - d/loading skins and trying hard to give an honest opinion if its all a waste of my time because my ratings arent registering.
Reply #28 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 2:50 PM
| Fairyy~ contemplates a whole "Ratings are the Devil's work" hijack |
This is not about " These ratings are unfair and sucky "
Its about something feels amiss to me. I dont want to bother logging in - d/loading skins and trying hard to give an honest opinion if its all a waste of my time because my ratings arent registering.
ZubaZ
Reply #29 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 3:01 PM
Sorry fairyy, attempt at humor. I was (and am) aware that your goal was not to complain but to verify that everything was working as designed. Thus my use of the word "hijack" to take the post where is wasn't.
Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Reply #29 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 3:01 PM
This is not about " These ratings are unfair and sucky " |
Sorry fairyy, attempt at humor. I was (and am) aware that your goal was not to complain but to verify that everything was working as designed. Thus my use of the word "hijack" to take the post where is wasn't.
Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Fairyy~
Reply #30 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 3:08 PM
Not at all
I just didnt want people to misinterpret this as a rating bashing thread. This is something thats been bugging me for a few weeks. You know how something just doesnt feel like it usually does ? Ive had a lot of trouble logging in etc . I just wanted to take the opportunity to ask about it....
Reply #30 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 3:08 PM
| Sorry for any misunderstanding. |
Not at all
I just didnt want people to misinterpret this as a rating bashing thread. This is something thats been bugging me for a few weeks. You know how something just doesnt feel like it usually does ? Ive had a lot of trouble logging in etc . I just wanted to take the opportunity to ask about it....
kenwas
Reply #31 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 3:17 PM
Reply #31 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 3:17 PM
Well now, I just watched my latest submittal go from a 10 to a 7 in about 10 min after 258 downloads......strange to say the least.
Zoomba
Reply #32 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 3:33 PM
Reply #32 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 3:33 PM
I just looked at those ratings, what happened was a user with a higher rating than others who had previously rated it, cast a lower rating, bringing the weighted average down.
kenwas
Reply #33 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 3:41 PM
Reply #33 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 3:41 PM
Thanks Zoomba...with a drop like that he/she must have really hated the piece!
Jafo
Reply #35 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 5:14 PM
Reply #35 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 5:14 PM
| Thanks Zoomba...with a drop like that he/she must have really hated the piece! |
I didn't check that one...but my bet is it was something like 10,9,6...and the '6' was from a senior member. Doesn't mean anyone 'hates' anything....just that the more experienced may be better at a value judgement....
fairyy ... I'm betting the problem you are seeing is a lag between you rating it and the site servers/cache/etc catching up and displaying the applied new rating input.
In all fairness the wall linked-to doesn't warrant the 3 or 4 '10's it has since received in response/revenge for whatever its initial rating was. When you consider/compare all the walls here for some semblance of comparative 'grading' is it really as good as the best, or is it simply quaint/cute/ok/passable/usable?
If the latter, maybe '6', or '7' would actually leave a critic 'room' for largesse elsewhere.
Drive-by [non critical] ratings, be they '1' or '10' are equally as bad as each other....sure, a low one is unfair in itself, but also a high one denigrates all those others who may just actually DESERVE a high rating. [people see a universally acclaimed wall at '8' and wonder why some bland junk has a '10' and presume prejudicial treatment...'naturally' the fault of the mods, of course].
If I 'really like something'...I don't give it a '10'....to get that it has to actually be good.
Same goes for the converse...
windoe
Reply #36 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 5:21 PM
Reply #36 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 5:21 PM
Hi everyone !
I'm able to rate just for few weeks and I try to do it as often as I can.
I took my access class 2 as an honour and I try to rate honestly and to be objective.
But I agree with Karen, and I already told her about that : I have the feeling that my rating doesnt change anything.
I understood that the "weight" of rating increased with access class. Probably one reason, because I'm only AC2.
But...I use Firefox and I noticed one thing : on IE, after rating it appears "rating saved". On Firefox : nothing. Could it be a browser problem ?
I noticed that, too...I submitted nearly 350 shots(and a few little other things
) and I just can say one thing : Low rating doesnt mean low downloads, "et vice versa"!
I'm able to rate just for few weeks and I try to do it as often as I can.
I took my access class 2 as an honour and I try to rate honestly and to be objective.
But I agree with Karen, and I already told her about that : I have the feeling that my rating doesnt change anything.
I understood that the "weight" of rating increased with access class. Probably one reason, because I'm only AC2.
But...I use Firefox and I noticed one thing : on IE, after rating it appears "rating saved". On Firefox : nothing. Could it be a browser problem ?
| I just watched my latest submittal go from a 10 to a 7 in about 10 min after 258 downloads.. |
I noticed that, too...I submitted nearly 350 shots(and a few little other things
) and I just can say one thing : Low rating doesnt mean low downloads, "et vice versa"!
kenwas
Reply #37 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 5:46 PM
Maybe Jafo, maybe not. Just because someone might be new to this site, certainly does not necessarily indicate that they are new to value judgement of walls or any other art form.
Reply #37 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 5:46 PM
| .just that the more experienced may be better at a value judgement... |
Maybe Jafo, maybe not. Just because someone might be new to this site, certainly does not necessarily indicate that they are new to value judgement of walls or any other art form.
PoSmedley
Reply #38 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 6:33 PM
Reply #38 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 6:33 PM
I have yet to see where my rating on anything has changed the stars. On my own stuff, I see the rating drop more and quicker than I see it going up. What burns me is there are no comments when it drops, but there will be 'good' comments and it doesn't go up. I would think if they leave comments where they say the work is excellent or such, they are also rating it, but I don't see it. I do see it go down, but no comments to go with those ratings. I have wondered myself why when I rate something higher than it is I don't see any change in the average.
My 'Rage Of Angels' wall that was delegated to my Personal Gallery at 4 stars actually climbed to 6 and still gets downloaded even though it's not in the main gallery, but has fallen back to 4 stars. That really kinda sucks, since it's not in the main gallery why even rate it or have it rating allowed, and again no comment to explain or justify the individual ratings.
I don't know if I would have the nerve to knock anyone's rating down. It's tough to get those stars. But I wish I felt better about wether or not when I add to their average, it was really being reflected.
My 'Rage Of Angels' wall that was delegated to my Personal Gallery at 4 stars actually climbed to 6 and still gets downloaded even though it's not in the main gallery, but has fallen back to 4 stars. That really kinda sucks, since it's not in the main gallery why even rate it or have it rating allowed, and again no comment to explain or justify the individual ratings.
I don't know if I would have the nerve to knock anyone's rating down. It's tough to get those stars. But I wish I felt better about wether or not when I add to their average, it was really being reflected.
ZubaZ
Reply #39 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 6:44 PM
Reply #39 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 6:44 PM
I still think that rating access should be dependent on a comment. That would make drive-bys harder and give some meaning. It would also might make it easier to track problems. For example a user who leaves a carriage return as a comment then a rating tanks could be counseled.
My opinion counts for almost nil of course . . I have what . . three skins in the libraries. I've been hanging with the troll too much.
My opinion counts for almost nil of course . . I have what . . three skins in the libraries. I've been hanging with the troll too much.
_02
Reply #40 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 7:01 PM
I agree 100%. Now if we could just talk the mods into it!
Reply #40 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 7:01 PM
| I still think that rating access should be dependent on a comment. That would make drive-bys harder and give some meaning. It would also might make it easier to track problems. |
I agree 100%. Now if we could just talk the mods into it!
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Reply #21 Wednesday, January 3, 2007 2:19 PM
Hey Zoomba; yes that goes without saying but on the two new items I tested, since no downloads yet so mod name showed on expanded download stats. Modded by Access Class 7, 1 star, rated by me Access Class 3, 5 stars (again as a test) the 7 carries that much more weight that rating only moves 1/2 star. So someone with Access Class 1, using my test as an example would not affect overall rating by rating 4 stars higher.
If this little movement with my exaggerated rating, it would take many in line rates to give little overall movement.
Not that any of this really matters to me as I only rate out of line (low) on broken (comments given) or ripped skins, and only given out a handful of 4 and 5 star rates. That said, things do seem out of whack compared to before ratings broke and Mod rating was being replaced.