ByeBye, Saddam
Friday, December 29, 2006 by Jafo | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Can't say it was 'nice knowing you'.
The world is theoretically now a slightly 'better' place.
Some improve the world with their arrival....others by their departure.
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EXILEDx2
Reply #9 Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:06 AM
Reply #9 Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:06 AM
Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was executed in Baghdad early Saturday morning by hanging.
Several witnesses were present when the Iraqi dictator, who ruled between 1979 and 2003, took his last breath shortly before 6 a.m. (0300 GMT) Saturday.
Saddam’s half brother and Intelligence Head Barzan al-Tikriti, and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, a senior judge belonging to the Iraqi Baath Party, were also executed alongside Saddam.
Several witnesses were present when the Iraqi dictator, who ruled between 1979 and 2003, took his last breath shortly before 6 a.m. (0300 GMT) Saturday.
Saddam’s half brother and Intelligence Head Barzan al-Tikriti, and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, a senior judge belonging to the Iraqi Baath Party, were also executed alongside Saddam.
Chasbo
Reply #10 Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 AM
Reply #10 Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 AM
May I add: Since the invasion of Iraq there have been at least 57,000 deaths of Iraqi civilians. Saddam would be proud. Don't Gloat!
starkers
Reply #11 Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:53 AM
Reply #11 Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:53 AM
Saddam may not have been the nicest, most compassionate of world leaders...in fact he was bloody ruthless, but when I read of U.S. soldiers commenting that many, many Iraqi's are much worse off since the invasion, I have to wonder if they were truly liberated or further plunged into deeper chaos, given almost 60,000 Iraqi civilians have died in needless violence since Saddam was deposed....not to mention the tens of thousands of Iraqi military and police personel.
Okay, so many are glad to see the back of Saddam Hussein, but when the cost is close to 100,000 Iraqi lives and still counting (not to mention the coalition deaths), I'm not too sure it was the right way to go about removing him in the end. I guess it comes down to my having a much greater respect for peoples lives than I do for what is perceived as democracy (or not)....that the end equates to tens of thousands of needlessly lost lives on all sides, and that (for me) does not justify the means/method of removal.
I too saw Saddam as a ruthless tyrant and thought he should have been removed, but the cost of having done it this way has been too high a price for the Iraqi people to pay. Something more covert and done quietly with internal co-operation may have been more appropriate and less costly in terms of collateral damage/lives lost.
Okay, so many are glad to see the back of Saddam Hussein, but when the cost is close to 100,000 Iraqi lives and still counting (not to mention the coalition deaths), I'm not too sure it was the right way to go about removing him in the end. I guess it comes down to my having a much greater respect for peoples lives than I do for what is perceived as democracy (or not)....that the end equates to tens of thousands of needlessly lost lives on all sides, and that (for me) does not justify the means/method of removal.
I too saw Saddam as a ruthless tyrant and thought he should have been removed, but the cost of having done it this way has been too high a price for the Iraqi people to pay. Something more covert and done quietly with internal co-operation may have been more appropriate and less costly in terms of collateral damage/lives lost.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #12 Saturday, December 30, 2006 4:55 AM
Reply #12 Saturday, December 30, 2006 4:55 AM
What you have to remember is countries like Iraq are not civilised. This is how people like Saddam come to power. He is just the tip of the iceberg and unless you sort out the rest nothing is going to change.
The idea that getting rid of Saddam by force would solve Iraq's problems was naive and costly.
RadialFX
Reply #13 Saturday, December 30, 2006 5:04 AM
Reply #13 Saturday, December 30, 2006 5:04 AM
I too agree that the loss of life is hard to justify in any way. However, I also understand that in some cases the cost of peace and freedom is very high. One can reference the movie Braveheart to see this in action. I also agree that there may have been another way, but, I don't know what way that would have been. Even the thought that there may have been another way isn't relative at this point. This way has been chosen and that's what will be in history. Maybe as a result of choosing this way, there may come about some better/different ways to deal other situations like this. I don't know how the benefits of this can ever be accurately measured. Although it is pretty easy to measure the negative. Which is why I think that some people will always focus on the negative.
WebGizmos
Reply #14 Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:19 AM
Reply #14 Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:19 AM
He needed to answer for his crimes, but his hanging was nothing more than a hollow victory. The guy was found hiding in a hole in the ground...not surrounded by thousands of armed loyal followers...some dictator. We should have left Iraq as soon as he was caught.
starkers
Reply #15 Saturday, December 30, 2006 7:07 AM
Benifits? Given there are 20+ Iraqis dying every day, I don't know there any benifits to measure, and it'd be certain if you were able to ask the people of Iraq themselves, they'd tell you there were none. There are no winners in war...just casualties.
Reply #15 Saturday, December 30, 2006 7:07 AM
| I don't know how the benefits of this can ever be accurately measured. |
Benifits? Given there are 20+ Iraqis dying every day, I don't know there any benifits to measure, and it'd be certain if you were able to ask the people of Iraq themselves, they'd tell you there were none. There are no winners in war...just casualties.
Denus 2
Reply #16 Saturday, December 30, 2006 8:20 AM
Reply #16 Saturday, December 30, 2006 8:20 AM
I don't know anymore who's the bad guy in this story.....
What I know is that one person brings more and more death to US soldiers, willing allies and innocent civilians of Irak, and this very same person was elected twice!
Oh, did I mention the cost of this war? About $700 billion, thank you taxpayers.
"For the sake of humanity"?
I agree with starkers: There are no winners in war...just casualties.
What I know is that one person brings more and more death to US soldiers, willing allies and innocent civilians of Irak, and this very same person was elected twice!
Oh, did I mention the cost of this war? About $700 billion, thank you taxpayers.
"For the sake of humanity"?
I agree with starkers: There are no winners in war...just casualties.
Chasbo
Reply #17 Saturday, December 30, 2006 8:49 AM
Reply #17 Saturday, December 30, 2006 8:49 AM
Starkers: I couldn't have said it any better.
I don't know how we Americans, can look the other way as to just how many innocent Iraqis, women, children and old folks have been slaughtered since Dubya decided it was his mission to decide the fate of Iraq. People worry about the fate of our men and women over there, as they should but I don't hear people I talk to saying much about the Iraqis.
I remember just before the invasion watching Hans Blix, the U.N. man over there saying that after all these inspections that there were no WMD's. Next thing I see Dubya with his fake Texas accent saying what a threat Iraq is because they posses WMD's. I'm thinking, wait a minute. Someone is lying and I don't think it's Hans Blix. Blix reputation is clean. He is a man of great repute.
So there you have it. Tragedy on a grand scale and I fear hanging Saddam is just going to make it worse.
I don't know how we Americans, can look the other way as to just how many innocent Iraqis, women, children and old folks have been slaughtered since Dubya decided it was his mission to decide the fate of Iraq. People worry about the fate of our men and women over there, as they should but I don't hear people I talk to saying much about the Iraqis.
I remember just before the invasion watching Hans Blix, the U.N. man over there saying that after all these inspections that there were no WMD's. Next thing I see Dubya with his fake Texas accent saying what a threat Iraq is because they posses WMD's. I'm thinking, wait a minute. Someone is lying and I don't think it's Hans Blix. Blix reputation is clean. He is a man of great repute.
So there you have it. Tragedy on a grand scale and I fear hanging Saddam is just going to make it worse.
_02
Reply #18 Saturday, December 30, 2006 9:04 AM
Reply #18 Saturday, December 30, 2006 9:04 AM
And good riddance to the Sadman Insane. Can't say I will miss him. Unfortunately another will probably crop up in his place.
navigatsio
Reply #19 Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:32 AM
Reply #19 Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:32 AM
I don't share the enthusiasm in celebrating the death of another human being, even someone who probably did deserve it. It seems to cheapen the value of life somewhat, don't you think?
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Reply #1 Friday, December 29, 2006 11:15 PM
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