Made a Myspace Group For SKinners
Thursday, December 14, 2006 by BlackDragon 17 | Discussion: Community
Here it is THE GROUP CHECK IT OUT
Hopefully some of you will at least check it out
just tryin to get the word of skinning out to more people and show them how much dang fun it is
Hopefully some of you will at least check it out
just tryin to get the word of skinning out to more people and show them how much dang fun it is
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ZubaZ
Reply #2 Thursday, December 14, 2006 5:44 PM
Reply #2 Thursday, December 14, 2006 5:44 PM
It's a nice thought . . but an ugly page. I've never seen a good looking MS page though . .so . .there you go.
I'll hang here instead, m'kay?
I'll hang here instead, m'kay?
starkers
Reply #3 Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:51 PM
Reply #3 Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:51 PM
Unfortunately your good intentions may all be in vain due to so many people here having such a low opinion of MySpace for allowing under-aged children to post inappropriate material in its site....the fact that the site admins put in place bandaid measures that did/does not prevent this behaviour.
Sadly, the poor behaviour of a few groups and individuals, the lack of appropriate action on the part of the site's administration to stop it has tarnished what may have been a useful tool for respectable groups wishing to use it as a cyber meeting place.
It is still being used as a hunting ground for predators and porn merchantsm etc. Only the other day my wife received an email that appeared to be from her brother (same name), so she opened it, only to be disgusted at the content contained therein. The email was actually from a porn producer, who was trawling the net for people to send him explicit photographs of young females from MySpace for his publications. The sender included samples of what he wanted/was offering his customers, and clearly many of the persons depicted were underage.
The idea of a skinners cyber club/society/meeting place is a good one, but I suggest you seek a better, more reputable venue that skinners would feel comfortable with. Many of the folk here (and at other skinning sites) are parents and may not feel entirely happy about meeting on a site which has been linked to and used for child exploitation.
Like Zubaz said, it's a nice thought/idea on your part, it's just not the ideal venue given its unwholesome reputation....and believe me, it's not just the 'ugly' page layouts that will deter people, but rather a dislike/distrust of the site in general.
Sadly, the poor behaviour of a few groups and individuals, the lack of appropriate action on the part of the site's administration to stop it has tarnished what may have been a useful tool for respectable groups wishing to use it as a cyber meeting place.
It is still being used as a hunting ground for predators and porn merchantsm etc. Only the other day my wife received an email that appeared to be from her brother (same name), so she opened it, only to be disgusted at the content contained therein. The email was actually from a porn producer, who was trawling the net for people to send him explicit photographs of young females from MySpace for his publications. The sender included samples of what he wanted/was offering his customers, and clearly many of the persons depicted were underage.
The idea of a skinners cyber club/society/meeting place is a good one, but I suggest you seek a better, more reputable venue that skinners would feel comfortable with. Many of the folk here (and at other skinning sites) are parents and may not feel entirely happy about meeting on a site which has been linked to and used for child exploitation.
Like Zubaz said, it's a nice thought/idea on your part, it's just not the ideal venue given its unwholesome reputation....and believe me, it's not just the 'ugly' page layouts that will deter people, but rather a dislike/distrust of the site in general.
ZubaZ
Reply #5 Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:03 PM
Reply #5 Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:03 PM
I meant what starkers said. 
Truth-be-told, I share the same concerns as starkers but not to the same degeree. In fact, mySpace has allowed me to anonymously peek into the lives of my daughters friends and parent with more information. The down side is that I have never been surprised by *good* information on mySpace, only bad.
Truth-be-told, I share the same concerns as starkers but not to the same degeree. In fact, mySpace has allowed me to anonymously peek into the lives of my daughters friends and parent with more information. The down side is that I have never been surprised by *good* information on mySpace, only bad.
Skinhit
Reply #7 Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:08 PM
Reply #7 Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:08 PM
Oh Boy! a site we can all get on and have a great time! Not!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry Black Dragon 17 but i wouldnt go there if my life depended on it! its a virus eating the world!
Skinhit
Reply #8 Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:16 PM
Reply #8 Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:16 PM
and further more i think you should probably be asking permission of the artists before posting links to their work on that hellhole
starkers
Reply #9 Friday, December 15, 2006 12:09 AM
I didn't anonymously peek, but when my step daughter was here, she left her MySpace page down on the taskbar and forgot to close it before bedtime. When I restored the page to see what it was/whether or not I needed to save anything for her, I found she had posted nude photos of herself and had described performing acts I didn't think she even knew about.
My immediate reaction was to drag her out of bed and haul her over the coals for posting such inappropriate material, but I got smart and got a site admin to remove the offending photos and comments...stating it was obvious to anyone that she was under age and therefore child porn was being displayed on his site. As you can well imagine, he had no hesitation whatsoever in removing them. I then changed the login name and password so she couldn't access her page Fortunately the site supported my actions by sending her an email stating her account had been closed and she was no longer welcome at MySpace.
However, I was on a bus recently and overheard a group of schoolkids openly bragging about their MySpace/sexual exploits....so the 'so-called' safety measures are far from being effective and do not deter/prevent inappropriate behaviour by children & predators alike.
OH, and before anyone comments/lays blame "where was the parental supervision?"...the photographs were NOT taken in our home but at a 'friend's' house, where she had also opened her MySpace account and posted the pics/comments. If she hadn't inadvertantly left the page on the taskbar, we'd have been none the wiser because she had always used friends computers to access MySpace, 'til that night....and then she only dared to access it via our home PC because we were out shopping while she supposedly remained at home to complete a homework assignment.
So there you have it people, if your kids really want to get up to no good, you'll have to get them surgically attached to your hip if you're gonna stop 'em.
Reply #9 Friday, December 15, 2006 12:09 AM
| In fact, mySpace has allowed me to anonymously peek into the lives of my daughters friends and parent with more information. The down side is that I have never been surprised by *good* information on mySpace, only bad. |
I didn't anonymously peek, but when my step daughter was here, she left her MySpace page down on the taskbar and forgot to close it before bedtime. When I restored the page to see what it was/whether or not I needed to save anything for her, I found she had posted nude photos of herself and had described performing acts I didn't think she even knew about.
My immediate reaction was to drag her out of bed and haul her over the coals for posting such inappropriate material, but I got smart and got a site admin to remove the offending photos and comments...stating it was obvious to anyone that she was under age and therefore child porn was being displayed on his site. As you can well imagine, he had no hesitation whatsoever in removing them. I then changed the login name and password so she couldn't access her page Fortunately the site supported my actions by sending her an email stating her account had been closed and she was no longer welcome at MySpace.
However, I was on a bus recently and overheard a group of schoolkids openly bragging about their MySpace/sexual exploits....so the 'so-called' safety measures are far from being effective and do not deter/prevent inappropriate behaviour by children & predators alike.
OH, and before anyone comments/lays blame "where was the parental supervision?"...the photographs were NOT taken in our home but at a 'friend's' house, where she had also opened her MySpace account and posted the pics/comments. If she hadn't inadvertantly left the page on the taskbar, we'd have been none the wiser because she had always used friends computers to access MySpace, 'til that night....and then she only dared to access it via our home PC because we were out shopping while she supposedly remained at home to complete a homework assignment.
So there you have it people, if your kids really want to get up to no good, you'll have to get them surgically attached to your hip if you're gonna stop 'em.
BlackDragon 17
Reply #10 Friday, December 15, 2006 12:59 AM
Reply #10 Friday, December 15, 2006 12:59 AM
sorry bout that just tryin to help out a little
Bichur
Reply #11 Friday, December 15, 2006 1:11 AM
Reply #11 Friday, December 15, 2006 1:11 AM
Understood.
Don't take it too hard, it was a good thought. Some just get a little zealous when they have an opinion and tend to forget when they were younger and had a cool thought.
Don't take it too hard, it was a good thought. Some just get a little zealous when they have an opinion and tend to forget when they were younger and had a cool thought.
Chasbo
Reply #12 Friday, December 15, 2006 2:54 AM
Reply #12 Friday, December 15, 2006 2:54 AM
Wow this is a good example of "The Generation Gap" problem.
Island Dog
Reply #13 Friday, December 15, 2006 7:56 AM
Reply #13 Friday, December 15, 2006 7:56 AM
Myspace is one of those things where the bad news outweighs anything else. The fact is Myspace is also used to promote many things even businesses, but unfortunately you don't hear about that on the news.
I think starting a group to promote skinning is a great idea.
starkers
Reply #14 Friday, December 15, 2006 7:58 AM
Blackdragon 17 As I said before it was good idea, and you are to be commended for wanting/trying to help, but the chosen venue isn't one that's too popular around here and not one you'd get too many skinners/community members to embrace. However, you weren't to know that, and it's certainly not your fault that people here aren't too fond of MySpace, so please do not feel like anyone is critcising you for anything because you've not done wrong in trying to launch a social gathering place for skinners.
Who knows, maybe you try again and get the idea off the ground at a more favourable venue. I can not speak for other community members, but my wife and I would be more inclined to frequent a skinners group at a venue other than MySpace.
Again I can't speak for others, but my thoughts on MySpace are not based purely on opinion, but rather a shocking and most disturbing discovery of what was being allowed there. No decent parent even wants to think their 14 - 15 yo is posing for explicit photographs, much less that they're plastering them over the internet on sites such as MySpace. Given the nature of the images and the status of the subject obviously being underage, MySpace has a responsibility to the girl herself, her parents and society in general to entirely disallow such images...their removal was much like closing the stable door after the horse had bolted.....
Since then we've been informed some of those photographs found their way on to actual porn sites, and whilst the matter was referred to local police, it's like asking a hap handed plumber to perform brain surgery, given the internationality and sheer size of the networks proliferating this filth. The problem is, local cops have neither the expertise or resources to infiltrate and shut these networks down, so it must come down to the broader internet community/site admins to help police and prevent these obscene breaches of public decency....something MySpace repeatedly failed to do/enforce.
Yep, you can bet yer sweet bippy MySpace, immorality and child exploitation are very emotive and touchy subjects for me. Perhaps now some here will understand why I'm continually joking and acting the clown in this 'unreal' world....it's my personal escape cos those harsh realities of life make me sick to my stomach.
More it's an example of how the fabric of decent society has broken down....of how do gooders and governments have handed kids 'inalienable and undeniable rights' on a silver platter, thus negating parental rights/controls and placing our children at greater risk because the predators and opportunists have taken advantage of laxities which provide them much greater scope than ever before....near immunity because their child victims have been given the right by the powers above to pick and choose their own friends and activities, to decide what they think is best/right for themselves.
Nope, it's not just example of the generation gap problem! Its a perfect example of how the older generation has betrayed the kids of today by dangling the carrot and the kids saying "oh wow"....the predators cashing in because society had never made any easier for them to ply their filthy trade. Then places like MySpace recognised the huge cashcow the youth market has become and jumped on the exploitation bandwagon as well.
Is it the kids faults? Nope, not at all! It's the fault of effwit gov'ts & leaders who've virtually given them the keys to an 18 wheeler before they can see over the steering wheel....and as parents there's pretty much eff all we can do to reverse the trend.....the 18 wheeler's already careering out of control through the playground
Reply #14 Friday, December 15, 2006 7:58 AM
| sorry bout that just tryin to help out a little |
Blackdragon 17 As I said before it was good idea, and you are to be commended for wanting/trying to help, but the chosen venue isn't one that's too popular around here and not one you'd get too many skinners/community members to embrace. However, you weren't to know that, and it's certainly not your fault that people here aren't too fond of MySpace, so please do not feel like anyone is critcising you for anything because you've not done wrong in trying to launch a social gathering place for skinners.
Who knows, maybe you try again and get the idea off the ground at a more favourable venue. I can not speak for other community members, but my wife and I would be more inclined to frequent a skinners group at a venue other than MySpace.
| Some just get a little zealous when they have an opinion |
Again I can't speak for others, but my thoughts on MySpace are not based purely on opinion, but rather a shocking and most disturbing discovery of what was being allowed there. No decent parent even wants to think their 14 - 15 yo is posing for explicit photographs, much less that they're plastering them over the internet on sites such as MySpace. Given the nature of the images and the status of the subject obviously being underage, MySpace has a responsibility to the girl herself, her parents and society in general to entirely disallow such images...their removal was much like closing the stable door after the horse had bolted.....
Since then we've been informed some of those photographs found their way on to actual porn sites, and whilst the matter was referred to local police, it's like asking a hap handed plumber to perform brain surgery, given the internationality and sheer size of the networks proliferating this filth. The problem is, local cops have neither the expertise or resources to infiltrate and shut these networks down, so it must come down to the broader internet community/site admins to help police and prevent these obscene breaches of public decency....something MySpace repeatedly failed to do/enforce.
Yep, you can bet yer sweet bippy MySpace, immorality and child exploitation are very emotive and touchy subjects for me. Perhaps now some here will understand why I'm continually joking and acting the clown in this 'unreal' world....it's my personal escape cos those harsh realities of life make me sick to my stomach.
| Wow this is a good example of "The Generation Gap" problem. |
More it's an example of how the fabric of decent society has broken down....of how do gooders and governments have handed kids 'inalienable and undeniable rights' on a silver platter, thus negating parental rights/controls and placing our children at greater risk because the predators and opportunists have taken advantage of laxities which provide them much greater scope than ever before....near immunity because their child victims have been given the right by the powers above to pick and choose their own friends and activities, to decide what they think is best/right for themselves.
Nope, it's not just example of the generation gap problem! Its a perfect example of how the older generation has betrayed the kids of today by dangling the carrot and the kids saying "oh wow"....the predators cashing in because society had never made any easier for them to ply their filthy trade. Then places like MySpace recognised the huge cashcow the youth market has become and jumped on the exploitation bandwagon as well.
Is it the kids faults? Nope, not at all! It's the fault of effwit gov'ts & leaders who've virtually given them the keys to an 18 wheeler before they can see over the steering wheel....and as parents there's pretty much eff all we can do to reverse the trend.....the 18 wheeler's already careering out of control through the playground
Bichur
Reply #15 Friday, December 15, 2006 8:55 AM
Reply #15 Friday, December 15, 2006 8:55 AM
i don't think the picture of 'squish mitten' flipping the bird is an image most of the older skinners here are looking for either.
ZubaZ
Reply #16 Friday, December 15, 2006 9:03 AM
Reply #16 Friday, December 15, 2006 9:03 AM
I would consider myself in the Middle age range around here and I don't see the relevance to skinning in the picture either.
I guess the another part of my thinking is that maybe that site isn't FOR the older or middle age skinners. Maybe it's just the target that young punk skinners are looking to gravitate to.
I guess the another part of my thinking is that maybe that site isn't FOR the older or middle age skinners. Maybe it's just the target that young punk skinners are looking to gravitate to.
Jafo
Reply #17 Friday, December 15, 2006 9:12 AM
Reply #17 Friday, December 15, 2006 9:12 AM
| In fact, mySpace has allowed me to anonymously peek into the lives of my daughters friends |
....part of what makes the site so abhorrent....irrespective of motive.
Today I had the 'fun' task of fixing my sister-in-law's computer...[the usual spyware/browser hijackers, etc]....and showed my neice [16] just how much info ISN'T deleted when the IE temp files are 'cleaned'.
I removed them....but resisted any notion of seeing where/what she may or may not have been doing.
Privacy is privacy. If there 'may' be an issue with inappropriate contact via junk sites like mySpace the solution is to deny them any access there at all....
Zoomba
Reply #18 Friday, December 15, 2006 9:15 AM
Reply #18 Friday, December 15, 2006 9:15 AM
We actually want WinCustomize to be that community gathering point for skinners (as it essentially is now). If there are ways we can improve that community and collaboration experience, we do want to hear about it.
ZubaZ
Reply #19 Friday, December 15, 2006 9:34 AM
My kids have a right to privacy, but not secrecy. We follow the trust, but check parenting philosophy that can be tightened to "Monitor Everything for cause or suspicion". Nothing about this is a secret to my kids.
And for the record, I check more on their friends sites than I have to at my own. Knowledge is power.
Asked adifferent way, What does myspace have that WC does not?
Reply #19 Friday, December 15, 2006 9:34 AM
| Privacy is privacy. If there 'may' be an issue with inappropriate contact via junk sites like mySpace the solution is to deny them any access there at all. |
My kids have a right to privacy, but not secrecy. We follow the trust, but check parenting philosophy that can be tightened to "Monitor Everything for cause or suspicion". Nothing about this is a secret to my kids.
And for the record, I check more on their friends sites than I have to at my own. Knowledge is power.
| We actually want WinCustomize to be that community gathering point for skinners (as it essentially is now). If there are ways we can improve that community and collaboration experience, we do want to hear about it. |
Asked adifferent way, What does myspace have that WC does not?
Jafo
Reply #20 Friday, December 15, 2006 9:42 AM
Reply #20 Friday, December 15, 2006 9:42 AM
| What does myspace have that WC does not? |
Mature, responsible Admins looking out for the well-being of the site members .....for one....
Er....read that in reverse....kinda screwy this way round....but you get my drift....
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Reply #1 Thursday, December 14, 2006 5:31 PM