In memory of September 11th
A tribute
Sunday, September 10, 2006 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News
Five years ago on September 11, 2001, 19 men boarded four planes in the United States with the intention of hijacking them and crashing them into important buildings with the hope of killing as many people as possible.
Three of those planes made it to their targets killing over 3,000 people. The fourth one crashed after passengers attempted to retake the plane after learning the fate of the other three planes.
For Americans, September 11th marked a major turning point for how the country viewed the world. For people outside the United States, the choices and response to September 11th has stirred a great deal of debate. Even within the United States, there is a great deal of disagreement over how best to continue to carry out the response to the terrorist attacks and the growing movement of violent Islamic radicalism.
The people who attacked the United States were part of a terrorist organization called Al Qaeda. A radical Islamic group dedicated to restoring the historic caliphate that once existed from Spain to the far east, Al Qaeda considered the United States as an obstacle to their goals of turning "moderate" Muslim states such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt into fundamentalist Islamic Republics modeled after then Taliban-ruled Afghanistan. Their belief was that if the US presence in the middle east as well as its support of countries such as Saudi Arabia and Israel could be removed that they moved one step closer to their goal. They believed, wrongly, that the US response would be to withdraw its presence from the middle east just as it had done so in Somalia in the mid 1990s.
On this day, we at this site give our thoughts to the families of the men and women who died on that day. And we support the valiant men and women in the armed forces from the United States and other countries who are working to put an end to organizations and movements that support the indiscriminate wholesale annihilation of innocents.
We hope the world does not forget 9/11. We certainly will not.
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DWFII
Reply #122 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:02 PM
This is sophistry..it is a red herring that allows folks to make something into something it is not...something, perhaps, a little more to their liking.
But it ignores the facts...the plane into the pentagon and the people on-board) and the plane that crashed into a field in Pennsylvania--intended for the capital. Nothing international about these two targets and yet part and parcel of a planned and concerted attack on the US
In fact bin Laden and Zawahiri both have said that the attack on the World Trade Center was aimed at US financial power.
And it also ignores the fact that victims from foreign countries don't even begin to tally up to the "victims" we "remember" in this thread--the ones who died in a brutal and evil (yes, exists, Virginia) attack as well as the firemen and first responders and even those who helped clean up the site...who will suffer for the rest of their live from respiratory problems, if not nightmares.
Self-delusion never helps...it is Custer, at Little Big Horn, gibbering, with a blanket over his head, as the tomahawk descends.
And if we are to remember then let us remember well...remember why and who and when. Remember Pearl Habor, Remember the Alamo. Remember the World Trade Center.
Reply #122 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:02 PM
| The World Trade Center was exactly what it called itself- A "trade center for the WORLD" Thus, Al Qaeda did not attack only the United States, but all of the countries that had offices based in 2 buildings in NY. The tragedy was international and planetary and not just a national one. |
This is sophistry..it is a red herring that allows folks to make something into something it is not...something, perhaps, a little more to their liking.
But it ignores the facts...the plane into the pentagon and the people on-board) and the plane that crashed into a field in Pennsylvania--intended for the capital. Nothing international about these two targets and yet part and parcel of a planned and concerted attack on the US
In fact bin Laden and Zawahiri both have said that the attack on the World Trade Center was aimed at US financial power.
And it also ignores the fact that victims from foreign countries don't even begin to tally up to the "victims" we "remember" in this thread--the ones who died in a brutal and evil (yes, exists, Virginia) attack as well as the firemen and first responders and even those who helped clean up the site...who will suffer for the rest of their live from respiratory problems, if not nightmares.
Self-delusion never helps...it is Custer, at Little Big Horn, gibbering, with a blanket over his head, as the tomahawk descends.
And if we are to remember then let us remember well...remember why and who and when. Remember Pearl Habor, Remember the Alamo. Remember the World Trade Center.
WebGizmos
Reply #123 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:04 PM
Everyone is entitled to believe what they want...if believing the "Official" account makes someone happy and content by all means believe away...but it by no means makes you right and everyone else wrong...and that works both ways. As far as the news or politicians telling us the truth and giving us "all" the facts...give me a break...they're track record is pitiful. I take anything they say with a grain of salt. And just because I don't believe everything they say, I certainly don't jump on every so-called conpiracy theory story as being factual either. And trying to discuss things like this in a forum is just a train wreck waiting to happen...it will only end badly.
And you mean to tell me it wasn't space aliens!? Now that..is just wrong!
Reply #123 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:04 PM
| The truth is already known. The original news article presents the facts. Not fantasy. Facts. These are of historic record. It's not what we think or speculate what happened. It is what happened. Arguing that the events of 9/11 were something different than the documented facts is akin to arguing that space aliens attacked Pearl Harbor in planes disguised to look like Japanese zeroes. It's ludicrious. |
Everyone is entitled to believe what they want...if believing the "Official" account makes someone happy and content by all means believe away...but it by no means makes you right and everyone else wrong...and that works both ways. As far as the news or politicians telling us the truth and giving us "all" the facts...give me a break...they're track record is pitiful. I take anything they say with a grain of salt. And just because I don't believe everything they say, I certainly don't jump on every so-called conpiracy theory story as being factual either. And trying to discuss things like this in a forum is just a train wreck waiting to happen...it will only end badly.
And you mean to tell me it wasn't space aliens!? Now that..is just wrong!
rabidrobot
Reply #124 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:27 PM
Reply #124 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:27 PM
WebGizmos said:
One can take tolerance of other's opinions only so far. There is atrue reality, though that is unwavering and unaffected by what some few but vocal believe. This "entitlement to believe" does not at all grant equal credibility to every viewpoint. Indeed, that there exist people who don't buy it in no way makes the official story any less true. It isn't even an "official story" -- it is what happened that day, which we all saw, and the heros, bodies, shrines, and debris and ramifications personal and global that back it up.
WebGizmos didn't say:
Classic! Like a line from a B-52s song.
| Everyone is entitled to believe what they want... |
One can take tolerance of other's opinions only so far. There is a
WebGizmos didn't say:
| As a Pisces, I have no choice but to be open minded, it's in my DNA. |
Classic! Like a line from a B-52s song.
DWFII
Reply #125 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:40 PM
Of course, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But opinions are like "backsides" (to use a polite eupheimism)--everyone has one but not all are worth sniffing.
And when an opinion comes with a little foil cap to prevent your thoughts from being picked up by the government...well, tell me, friend, where can you hide? Where in the world?
Reply #125 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:40 PM
| Everyone is entitled to believe what they want... |
Of course, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But opinions are like "backsides" (to use a polite eupheimism)--everyone has one but not all are worth sniffing.
And when an opinion comes with a little foil cap to prevent your thoughts from being picked up by the government...well, tell me, friend, where can you hide? Where in the world?
WebGizmos
Reply #126 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:27 PM
Reply #126 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:27 PM
I hear the train a comin! Its comin round the bend!
I guess english isn't understood here.
I guess english isn't understood here.
cygng
Reply #127 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:39 PM
Reply #127 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:39 PM
A horrific act is a horrific act. But let's not forget that the loss of lives on 9-11 involved MANY DIFFERENT NATIONALITIES and RELIGIOUS SECTS. NOT just White American Protestants. Please if you will, remember the pain of losing someone close and that others feel the same pain; then perhaps there wouldn't be an ONGOING travesty in Iraq right now. There should be no "hunting" in the Middle East except for Bin Laden. For those of you who are so goddamn redneck blooded on this board, why WON'T YOU volunteer then? For all your bluster and faux patriotism, it all comes down to selfish personal frustration and aggression and has NOTHING to do with improving this country whatsoever. There are plenty of us who are SICK AND TIRED of people like you constantly wanting to "kick ass." DO IT ON WITH YOUR OWN HANDS, FEET AND TOTAL BARBARIC RAGE; LEAVE THE REST OF THE F**K ALONE!!! REMEMBER THE TRAGEDY, YES, BUT ONLY WITH GRACE AND HUMILITY, NOT WITH SOME OVERLY CLICHED F**KING TEXAN MORONIC TRAILER TRASH MACHISMO!!!
Lantec
Reply #128 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:16 PM
Those who are there Volunteered, as did I when I was young enough. Every generation of my family has served since the Civil War. We do not assume freedom as being "FREE" I was taught that what we have is worth any sacrifice. Helping others achieve it helps us protect it. Most soldiers/sailors and their families believe this. WHO ARE YOU to judge them. What service to your fellow man or anyone other than yourself do YOU perform. I have the feeling very few of the "protestors" have defended their freedom or performed any public service for what they consider "their rights".
I have to assume from this statement someone forced you to read this thread. I also assume your not welcome in Texas.
Reply #128 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:16 PM
| For those of you who are so goddamn redneck blooded on this board, why WON'T YOU volunteer then? |
Those who are there Volunteered, as did I when I was young enough. Every generation of my family has served since the Civil War. We do not assume freedom as being "FREE" I was taught that what we have is worth any sacrifice. Helping others achieve it helps us protect it. Most soldiers/sailors and their families believe this. WHO ARE YOU to judge them. What service to your fellow man or anyone other than yourself do YOU perform. I have the feeling very few of the "protestors" have defended their freedom or performed any public service for what they consider "their rights".
| LEAVE THE REST OF THE F**K ALONE!!! REMEMBER THE TRAGEDY, YES, BUT ONLY WITH GRACE AND HUMILITY, NOT WITH SOME OVERLY CLICHED F**KING TEXAN MORONIC TRAILER TRASH MACHISMO!!! |
I have to assume from this statement someone forced you to read this thread. I also assume your not welcome in Texas.
rabidrobot
Reply #129 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:18 PM
Reply #129 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:18 PM
Man, gotta give WebGizmos credit. He sure heard that train coming!
seldomseen
Reply #130 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:17 PM
Can I hang with you guys?
Reply #130 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:17 PM
| "The mind is like a parachute...it works best when opened" |
| There are 364 other days of the year the theories could be discussed, and in another thread. |
| On this day, we at this site give our thoughts to the families of the men and women who died on that day. And we support the valiant men and women in the armed forces from the United States and other countries who are working to put an end to organizations and movements that support the indiscriminate wholesale annihilation of innocents. |
Can I hang with you guys?
seldomseen
Reply #132 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:53 PM
...running shoulder-to-shoulder with the buffalo..
Amen
Reply #132 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:53 PM
| In memory of September 11th A tribute |
...running shoulder-to-shoulder with the buffalo..
Amen
Docusa
Reply #133 Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:21 AM
Reply #133 Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:21 AM
"COMMON SENSE NOT A BOOK, MAGAZINE, HERESAY, WEBPAGES, JUST PURE COMMON SENSE! THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE TO USE! Name calling is so, 4th Grade-ish, and I know that everyone on this thread is old enough to have a conversation without all the name calling! It is ashame that I had to become a teacher here for some of the children on this thread! PSSST!
WebGizmos
Reply #134 Thursday, September 14, 2006 4:07 AM
I thought you already were!
Reply #134 Thursday, September 14, 2006 4:07 AM
| Can I hang with you guys? |
I thought you already were!
starkers
Reply #135 Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:01 AM
Reply #135 Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:01 AM
The events of 9/11 were horrific to say the least, and let's all hope that history never repeats....it was too sad a day for anyone to ever re-live, and nobody should ever have to.
However, given some of the comments I've just read here, I'm both elated and appalled.
IF there was any good to have come out of the events of 9/11, it's the greater unity and compassion within the brotherhood of decent and sincere human beings who truly care and strive to support one another regardless ....
....that now we can more easily recognise and avoid those insensitive jerks who seemingly take great pleasure in glamorizing this tragic event with 'inside job, friendly fire' conspiracy theories. People like you repulse me,. that you'd desecrate the sad and painful memories of millions with your retarded drivel.
Sady, we must suffer your moronic comments/opinions....but at least I/we can take comfort from knowing the majority of us are above all that, and you're a minority blemish, a stain upon the fabric of humanity.
However, given some of the comments I've just read here, I'm both elated and appalled.
IF there was any good to have come out of the events of 9/11, it's the greater unity and compassion within the brotherhood of decent and sincere human beings who truly care and strive to support one another regardless ....
....that now we can more easily recognise and avoid those insensitive jerks who seemingly take great pleasure in glamorizing this tragic event with 'inside job, friendly fire' conspiracy theories. People like you repulse me,. that you'd desecrate the sad and painful memories of millions with your retarded drivel.
Sady, we must suffer your moronic comments/opinions....but at least I/we can take comfort from knowing the majority of us are above all that, and you're a minority blemish, a stain upon the fabric of humanity.
DWFII
Reply #136 Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:00 AM
Reply #136 Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:00 AM
Train? Train? Where? Naw, there ain't no train...maybe a couple puffer-bellies...all in a row, of course...but no trains.
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Reply #121 Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:46 PM
The truth is already known. The original news article presents the facts. Not fantasy. Facts. These are of historic record. It's not what we think or speculate what happened. It is what happened.
Arguing that the events of 9/11 were something different than the documented facts is akin to arguing that space aliens attacked Pearl Harbor in planes disguised to look like Japanese zeroes. It's ludicrious.