Please Help the Animals Again
Tuesday, May 2, 2006 by _02 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
As everyone that knows me knows, I am an active advocate for animals. A new bill S. 2548, the Pets Evacuation and Transportation Standards Act (PETS) is up for the vote. Please follow the link and sign up to support this bill so that what happened to the animals and their owners during Katrina will not be repeated. It will take less than 2 minutes to do. Just click the "Take Action" link listed in the bill proposal. Thank you so much.
ZubaZ
Reply #5 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 4:45 PM
Reply #5 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 4:45 PM
A link to teh senate bill: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:s.02548:
Cindi, I respect the hell out of why you are doing this . . but I can't support it. I'd give money directly to shelters. I'd take pets into my house. I'd even build shelters if I could.
I cannot endorse taking money from people (taxes) to give to animals. I think that should be each persons choice. {I feel this way about most Federal socail projects, not just those dealing with pets.}
Davey Crockett's take on it: http://www.cnsnews.com/Library/crockett.htm
Cindi, I respect the hell out of why you are doing this . . but I can't support it. I'd give money directly to shelters. I'd take pets into my house. I'd even build shelters if I could.
I cannot endorse taking money from people (taxes) to give to animals. I think that should be each persons choice. {I feel this way about most Federal socail projects, not just those dealing with pets.}
Davey Crockett's take on it: http://www.cnsnews.com/Library/crockett.htm
_02
Reply #6 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 5:28 PM
Reply #6 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 5:28 PM
Thank you terigrw and aimzzz.
With all due respect Zubaz, I appreciate your point of view but as a volunteer of the shelters you speak of, I can assure you that not near enough money was donated to helping us out with all the victims of Katrina. I am far more interested in humanity than money. I assume by your statement you rather pay taxes to clean up the mess than to prevent it.
Because of Katrina our waiting list was only opened for about 2 months since she hit. Thousands and probably hundreds of thousands of animals were turned away because of no more room or money. The state I live in paid taxes to house the rescued animals and their owners near each other, and then gave them jobs and put the kids in school. This is the kind of thing I am for.
To make people leave behind their animals, which to some are the only family they have, and to have a result of total misery and suffering that ensued outweighs the cost to fix the problem to begin with. It is short sited to think that leaving these poor creatures behind will help. Afterwords instead of people concentrating on recovering, they were worried about their pets. The pets were dying slow deaths in their homes and the streets only to play a much larger role of horror. Disease from the rotting bodies. The danger people were in to rescue the poeple who would not leave their animals behind was incredible.
I do endorse taxes or whatever measures are nesessary to keep this kind of tradgedy from happening again. Do you think the cleanup of all this debacle comes free? I can assure you we will pay far more taxes and emotional upset and suffering to clean up the mess the dead animals made than it would have to prevent it in the first place. I am into prevention no matter what the cost. It will be far less than taking care of it after the fact. Trust me, I am in a position to know this first hand.
I respect you and your opinion, but this is a thread to ask for help. Maybe you might take your own thread out against it. This thread is not a poll. Only a request for help. Help that serves the people as much as the animals. Just ask those who had to leave their pets behind. They will tell you.
With all due respect Zubaz, I appreciate your point of view but as a volunteer of the shelters you speak of, I can assure you that not near enough money was donated to helping us out with all the victims of Katrina. I am far more interested in humanity than money. I assume by your statement you rather pay taxes to clean up the mess than to prevent it.
Because of Katrina our waiting list was only opened for about 2 months since she hit. Thousands and probably hundreds of thousands of animals were turned away because of no more room or money. The state I live in paid taxes to house the rescued animals and their owners near each other, and then gave them jobs and put the kids in school. This is the kind of thing I am for.
To make people leave behind their animals, which to some are the only family they have, and to have a result of total misery and suffering that ensued outweighs the cost to fix the problem to begin with. It is short sited to think that leaving these poor creatures behind will help. Afterwords instead of people concentrating on recovering, they were worried about their pets. The pets were dying slow deaths in their homes and the streets only to play a much larger role of horror. Disease from the rotting bodies. The danger people were in to rescue the poeple who would not leave their animals behind was incredible.
I do endorse taxes or whatever measures are nesessary to keep this kind of tradgedy from happening again. Do you think the cleanup of all this debacle comes free? I can assure you we will pay far more taxes and emotional upset and suffering to clean up the mess the dead animals made than it would have to prevent it in the first place. I am into prevention no matter what the cost. It will be far less than taking care of it after the fact. Trust me, I am in a position to know this first hand.
I respect you and your opinion, but this is a thread to ask for help. Maybe you might take your own thread out against it. This thread is not a poll. Only a request for help. Help that serves the people as much as the animals. Just ask those who had to leave their pets behind. They will tell you.
ZubaZ
Reply #9 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 6:38 PM
Reply #9 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 6:38 PM
I live in Texas and I gave clothes, books, and money to folks who lost everything. I opened my house to volenteers who worked down ant the Astrodome. We gave rides and made dinners.
I was incredibly proud the way Houstonians and the City of Houston gave. I was cool with that.
I was OUTRAGED when the mayor applied for federal funds to reemburse the city. What that meant to me was that some poor shmuck in Idaho that had his own problems had to pay for the displaced person in Houston. I think that is wrong. If this was a state bill, you'd have more of my support.
WC is a community, I didn't intend to take your thread. I can't say I wish you luck with S.2548 but I do appreciate what you are trying to do and I wish you well.
I was incredibly proud the way Houstonians and the City of Houston gave. I was cool with that.
I was OUTRAGED when the mayor applied for federal funds to reemburse the city. What that meant to me was that some poor shmuck in Idaho that had his own problems had to pay for the displaced person in Houston. I think that is wrong. If this was a state bill, you'd have more of my support.
WC is a community, I didn't intend to take your thread. I can't say I wish you luck with S.2548 but I do appreciate what you are trying to do and I wish you well.
seldomseen
Reply #12 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 6:59 PM
Reply #12 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 6:59 PM
Not to worry,Z 
! I actually found it quite funny! Something about living in Idaho just makes me identify with dorks 'n' geeks now and then. Up here, we kind of get off on being kind of rural and out of it. 
! I actually found it quite funny! Something about living in Idaho just makes me identify with dorks 'n' geeks now and then. Up here, we kind of get off on being kind of rural and out of it. 
seldomseen
Reply #13 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 7:10 PM
Reply #13 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 7:10 PM
Oh, and on the thread:
I've got a couple of Labs that, like Labs, make you feel they'd do anything for you, so I feel like they're worth going the extra mile for. As far as paying for Katrina and Iraq, aren't I already doing that, even if I don't want to?! I buy anything up here, I'm paying more to defray the costs of running programs I don't necessarily side with. To me, it's about the freedom to support what I want to. We've got so many strays here that for the last couple of weeks the paper's been running full-page spreads on all the unwanted animals that have to be snuffed just because some idiot didn't take responsibility for his critters. If we had a disaster here, I like to tell myself there's no way I'd abandon my dogs any more than my kids. But that's easy to say...
The bottom line for me, I guess, is to help when I can if it feels right.
A lot of places they'd just wok their dogs, anyway...
I've got a couple of Labs that, like Labs, make you feel they'd do anything for you, so I feel like they're worth going the extra mile for. As far as paying for Katrina and Iraq, aren't I already doing that, even if I don't want to?! I buy anything up here, I'm paying more to defray the costs of running programs I don't necessarily side with. To me, it's about the freedom to support what I want to. We've got so many strays here that for the last couple of weeks the paper's been running full-page spreads on all the unwanted animals that have to be snuffed just because some idiot didn't take responsibility for his critters. If we had a disaster here, I like to tell myself there's no way I'd abandon my dogs any more than my kids. But that's easy to say...
The bottom line for me, I guess, is to help when I can if it feels right.
A lot of places they'd just wok their dogs, anyway...
seldomseen
Reply #14 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 7:35 PM
Reply #14 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 7:35 PM
Thanks, Cindi, for the link to that page. Some bizarre stuff there, from "computer-assisted remote hunting" to "regulation of horsemeat for human consumption"...
I'll be checking that one again, you bet
I'll be checking that one again, you bet
_02
Reply #15 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 8:42 PM
Reply #15 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 8:42 PM
Zubaz, that is a most honorable thing you did. I know you didn't do it for praise, but I did have to mention it. Thank you.
Thank you Mike and seldomseen. There are alot of things going on in this country that most people don't know or want to know. It is enough to make your stomach turn. Thanks for the support.
Thank you Mike and seldomseen. There are alot of things going on in this country that most people don't know or want to know. It is enough to make your stomach turn. Thanks for the support.
seldomseen
Reply #16 Wednesday, May 3, 2006 12:08 PM
Reply #16 Wednesday, May 3, 2006 12:08 PM
Oops...just rechecked and I think the list-link was Zubaz'. So thanks, Z, great place to find little-known govt. goings-on! 
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Reply #1 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 9:50 AM