Internet Explorer vs Firefox Revisited
Friday, January 27, 2006 by kona0197 | Discussion: Internet
Check this out guys. What do you think?
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Kevin_C
Reply #2 Friday, January 27, 2006 9:02 AM
Reply #2 Friday, January 27, 2006 9:02 AM
I agree completely with WebGizmos, however I can tell you that writing code for IE absolutely *SUCKS*!! It's implementation of DOM is piss poor and completely inconsistent. I really hope MS wakes up and makes 7.0 a browser worth using because 6.x is pathetic!! I'm not saying that Firefox is perfect but it is definitely more predictable when creating pages that use lots of DHTML to manipulate the page content using DOM methods.
PurrBall
Reply #3 Friday, January 27, 2006 3:43 PM
Reply #3 Friday, January 27, 2006 3:43 PM
Some of that I have to say is BS, plus there is no proof.
I agree with f0r3.
I agree with f0r3.
RiddickRom
Reply #4 Friday, January 27, 2006 4:32 PM
Reply #4 Friday, January 27, 2006 4:32 PM
Well what an impartial comparison of the two browser that was *rolls eyes*
Actions speak louder than words and I'm loving using "my" browser. Not saying which because it really doesn't matter.
One point I would make though that impresses me is that IE is bundled with windows and is now at V6. Firefox is still V1 and you have to go and find it. With such a leap in dev time and an assured userbase it is nothing short of impressive that Firefox has caught on as much as it has.
What will be interesting is seeing IE full release 7 and watching Firefox play catch up to that. What we will have there is competition that will surely drive both browsers onto better things. Great for us users, no matter which one you prefer.
Actions speak louder than words and I'm loving using "my" browser. Not saying which because it really doesn't matter.
One point I would make though that impresses me is that IE is bundled with windows and is now at V6. Firefox is still V1 and you have to go and find it. With such a leap in dev time and an assured userbase it is nothing short of impressive that Firefox has caught on as much as it has.
What will be interesting is seeing IE full release 7 and watching Firefox play catch up to that. What we will have there is competition that will surely drive both browsers onto better things. Great for us users, no matter which one you prefer.
Kevin_C
Reply #5 Friday, January 27, 2006 9:27 PM
I sure hope you're right.. I also hope that MS has given up on proprietary non-standard extensions to things people use every day.
Reply #5 Friday, January 27, 2006 9:27 PM
| What we will have there is competition that will surely drive both browsers onto better things |
I sure hope you're right.. I also hope that MS has given up on proprietary non-standard extensions to things people use every day.
RPGFX
Reply #6 Friday, January 27, 2006 11:10 PM
Reply #6 Friday, January 27, 2006 11:10 PM
I love Firefox. I have had problems with IE for years, prompting my switch to Firefox, and I've not had a single problem with it yet. Period. That's all that matters to me.
Adamness
Reply #7 Friday, January 27, 2006 11:19 PM
Reply #7 Friday, January 27, 2006 11:19 PM
I think it's actually hard to compare the two, since Firefox 1.5 is relatively new, while IE6 is 5 years old or so. I think. Sure, Microsoft could have updated it with more than security patches, but when IE7 comes out, it will be a more fair comparison.
But I do agree that competition will improve all the browsers.
But I do agree that competition will improve all the browsers.
Mr_Frog
Reply #8 Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:50 AM
Reply #8 Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:50 AM
http://nanobox.chipx86.com/blog/2005/12/re-firefox-myths.php
One word: pwned.
-- B
One word: pwned.
-- B
Phoon
Reply #9 Saturday, January 28, 2006 5:46 PM
Reply #9 Saturday, January 28, 2006 5:46 PM
Kona,
I have often wondered why you insist on poking the rattlesnakes like you do.
It seems like either you instigate conflict by starting threads like this, or you inject a seemingly random "opinion" into most threads that have the word Firefox in them. However, you have served reasonable purpose with this one I must say.
After reading the link in #8, I have made the decision to retire Avant and Maxthon and thus convert to Firefox.
I have often wondered why you insist on poking the rattlesnakes like you do.
It seems like either you instigate conflict by starting threads like this, or you inject a seemingly random "opinion" into most threads that have the word Firefox in them. However, you have served reasonable purpose with this one I must say.
After reading the link in #8, I have made the decision to retire Avant and Maxthon and thus convert to Firefox.
Kevin_C
Reply #10 Monday, January 30, 2006 8:36 AM
You won't regret it Phoon and if you need some ideas for good extensions I'm sure folks can help out. Honestly, the extensions make FF so much more than just another browser.. Hope you like FF!!
Wow, I just went to the link in #8 and I gotta say anyone that would use the Firefox Myths page as proof of IE's superiority is sorely in need of a reality check. It really is sad how some people will use any trick in the book to try and prove a point.
Reply #10 Monday, January 30, 2006 8:36 AM
| After reading the link in #8, I have made the decision to retire Avant and Maxthon and thus convert to Firefox. |
You won't regret it Phoon and if you need some ideas for good extensions I'm sure folks can help out. Honestly, the extensions make FF so much more than just another browser.. Hope you like FF!!
Wow, I just went to the link in #8 and I gotta say anyone that would use the Firefox Myths page as proof of IE's superiority is sorely in need of a reality check. It really is sad how some people will use any trick in the book to try and prove a point.
WebGizmos
Reply #12 Monday, January 30, 2006 5:07 PM
Reply #12 Monday, January 30, 2006 5:07 PM
I guess Kona probably regrets posting this. Kind of shot himself in the foot with this one. 
Phoon
Reply #14 Monday, January 30, 2006 6:51 PM
Still experimenting. Actually, the tabs are what I mainly use it for.
I have noticed something strange however.
I own RoboForm (and just love it). Using the AI Roboform Toolbar extension (ver 6.5.9).
When I move my browser window around, the RF toolbar has to play catch up. Like it moves independantly of the browser itself.
Here are the extensions I'm using thus far.
Reply #14 Monday, January 30, 2006 6:51 PM
| extensions make FF so much more than just another browser. |
Still experimenting. Actually, the tabs are what I mainly use it for.
I have noticed something strange however.
I own RoboForm (and just love it). Using the AI Roboform Toolbar extension (ver 6.5.9).
When I move my browser window around, the RF toolbar has to play catch up. Like it moves independantly of the browser itself.
Here are the extensions I'm using thus far.
kona0197
Reply #15 Monday, January 30, 2006 6:56 PM
I don't regret posting this thread. I still use IE and think it works better than Firefox.
Phoon: IE7 will have tabs as well.
Reply #15 Monday, January 30, 2006 6:56 PM
| I guess Kona probably regrets posting this. Kind of shot himself in the foot with this one. |
I don't regret posting this thread. I still use IE and think it works better than Firefox.
Phoon: IE7 will have tabs as well.
Phoon
Reply #16 Monday, January 30, 2006 8:05 PM
This I know. I tried the first beta of it several months ago. It had a loooong way to go then. I do plan on giving it a thorough exam when it comes out. I'll have to look at my technet library tomorrow and see what version is in it.
Yes, IE is still my default browser, but so far I must say FF is out performing IE, Avant and Maxthon hands down. There are still several sites that require IE based browsers though. The idea of using an extension to emulate IE for those sites is an option, but I really don't care to go down that road right now.
Opera... no! It doesn't support RoboForm and I will not give that up.
Reply #16 Monday, January 30, 2006 8:05 PM
| IE7 will have tabs as well |
This I know. I tried the first beta of it several months ago. It had a loooong way to go then. I do plan on giving it a thorough exam when it comes out. I'll have to look at my technet library tomorrow and see what version is in it.
Yes, IE is still my default browser, but so far I must say FF is out performing IE, Avant and Maxthon hands down. There are still several sites that require IE based browsers though. The idea of using an extension to emulate IE for those sites is an option, but I really don't care to go down that road right now.
Opera... no! It doesn't support RoboForm and I will not give that up.
Kevin_C
Reply #17 Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:57 AM
Phoon, there's an extension called "User Agent Switcher" that you might want to try. Most of those IE only sites are that way because the developers were lazy. However, if you use user agent switcher and set your user agent to IE6 and go in you'll find that most of those sites will work in FF. As long as they don't use ActiveX you should be good to go.
As far as the RoboForm toolbar, it sounds like a problem in the toolbar code itself. If there's a homepage for that extension you might want to go there and see if anyone else is having a similar problem.
If you are big into tabbed browsing and you want to have complete control over how you browse with tabs you should check out "Tabbrowser Extensions", it has a *TON* of great options for setting up exactly how you want to use tabs while browsing. You'll have to remove any other tab related extensions and try it when you have a bit of time to mess with the options because there are lots of them!
Reply #17 Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:57 AM
| There are still several sites that require IE based browsers though |
Phoon, there's an extension called "User Agent Switcher" that you might want to try. Most of those IE only sites are that way because the developers were lazy. However, if you use user agent switcher and set your user agent to IE6 and go in you'll find that most of those sites will work in FF. As long as they don't use ActiveX you should be good to go.
As far as the RoboForm toolbar, it sounds like a problem in the toolbar code itself. If there's a homepage for that extension you might want to go there and see if anyone else is having a similar problem.
If you are big into tabbed browsing and you want to have complete control over how you browse with tabs you should check out "Tabbrowser Extensions", it has a *TON* of great options for setting up exactly how you want to use tabs while browsing. You'll have to remove any other tab related extensions and try it when you have a bit of time to mess with the options because there are lots of them!
Phoon
Reply #18 Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:28 PM
I am trying out "IE Tab" 1.0.7 at work. We have a few web based applications that require IE. (Intuits Track-It Enterprise) for one. Yes, that seems to work. It's the IDEA of having to do that that bothers me, but it does seem to resolve the issue.
Otherwise, I'm still messing with it and enjoying it.
Thanks for all your assistance!!
Reply #18 Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:28 PM
| extension called "User Agent Switcher" |
I am trying out "IE Tab" 1.0.7 at work. We have a few web based applications that require IE. (Intuits Track-It Enterprise) for one. Yes, that seems to work. It's the IDEA of having to do that that bothers me, but it does seem to resolve the issue.
Otherwise, I'm still messing with it and enjoying it.
Thanks for all your assistance!!
Phoon
Reply #19 Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:37 PM
Reply #19 Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:37 PM
On a side note.
IE7 Beta 2 is now available for download.
Link
The software should not be used on production systems in mission-critical environments. Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview will only run on Windows® XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) systems, but will ultimately be available for Windows Vista, Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, and Windows Server 2003.
IE7 Beta 2 is now available for download.
Link
The software should not be used on production systems in mission-critical environments. Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview will only run on Windows® XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) systems, but will ultimately be available for Windows Vista, Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, and Windows Server 2003.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #20 Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:58 PM
Reply #20 Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:58 PM
Hmmm, I'd like to know what I need 20 zillion tabs for. The one window is quite sufficient
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Reply #1 Friday, January 27, 2006 4:15 AM