Sony makes the case for piracy
Sort of -- with their root kit
Saturday, November 12, 2005 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News
Recently, Sony was discovered to have been installing software on people's computers without the user knowing it. When a user inserted a Sony CD into their computer CD-ROM drive, a "root kit" was installed that enabled the music giant to install "copy protection" without the user knowing.
Some spyware developers and trojan horse virus makers have already begun to make use of Sony's root kit to hide their presence on the user's machine.
Some users of argued that this plays right into the hands of pirates. This issue was discussed last week on PowerUser.TV at length. Why be legitimate in acquiring music if you're going to be treated like a criminal when it's so much easier to simply warez it was what many have said on-line.
CNET has an excellent follow-up on the situation. Check it out.
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HG_Eliminator
Reply #22 Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:24 PM
Reply #22 Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:24 PM
thanks for the compliment george 
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I appreciate the info on your dealings with sonys DVD players..i dont do much DVD stuff except transfering my home movies of christmas and such holidays to DVD ..i believe all my DVDs are region 1 so im not really worried abt that...the installer for the DVD's drivers showed no rootkit stuff and ive checked the system useing the methods shown in the links above.im clean...
i think its limited to those music disc's they list...i will however keep an eagle eye on this topic as it unfolds.
it's sad that the music industry feels the need to invade our homes and risk destroying our pc's to deter piracy.
IMO this kind of invasion "which exactly what it is" .. is criminal..
from reading what i have i will not buy any music on a Sony label... ever..
the trust has been broken before it ever got a chance to be established..
.. I appreciate the info on your dealings with sonys DVD players..i dont do much DVD stuff except transfering my home movies of christmas and such holidays to DVD ..i believe all my DVDs are region 1 so im not really worried abt that...the installer for the DVD's drivers showed no rootkit stuff and ive checked the system useing the methods shown in the links above.im clean...
i think its limited to those music disc's they list...i will however keep an eagle eye on this topic as it unfolds.
it's sad that the music industry feels the need to invade our homes and risk destroying our pc's to deter piracy.
IMO this kind of invasion "which exactly what it is" .. is criminal..
from reading what i have i will not buy any music on a Sony label... ever..
the trust has been broken before it ever got a chance to be established..
tjesterb
Reply #23 Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:33 PM
Reply #23 Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:33 PM
Aahhh, still more hot water for Sony: http://dewinter.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=215
It looks like some of the code in their DRM/Rootkit was licensed under a version of the GPL, and Sony hasn't complied with the terms of the license.
Makes me want to mod the old PS2 even more. http://www.psxtune.com/psx2/index.html
It looks like some of the code in their DRM/Rootkit was licensed under a version of the GPL, and Sony hasn't complied with the terms of the license.
Makes me want to mod the old PS2 even more. http://www.psxtune.com/psx2/index.html
Jafo
Reply #24 Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:47 PM
Reply #24 Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:47 PM
| It looks like some of the code in their DRM/Rootkit was licensed under a version of the GPL, and Sony hasn't complied with the terms of the license. |
Oh, goodie....
HG_Eliminator
Reply #25 Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:24 PM
Reply #25 Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:24 PM
hmm ....Did Sony became a pirate ? talk abt a pot calling the kettle black...
alpha-omega
Reply #26 Monday, November 14, 2005 1:36 AM
Reply #26 Monday, November 14, 2005 1:36 AM
tjesterb,
Personally, I think you are a FOOL, or should I say child, and I can't say much for "Admin Jafo" either.
You people who are suddenly against sony really do have a problem.
I own SONY products and they perform perfectly for my needs. It's seems to me you really have problems.
Also as far the
I THINK NOT. I don't care if he is the owner of this site, I am a Wincutomize subscriber, Contributor to a SKINNING SITE.
ISN'T THIS SUPPOSED TO BE A SKINNING SITE???
ALL the crap about the use of bandwidth, what a joke.
| Aahhh, still more hot water for Sony: http://dewinter.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=215 Link It looks like some of the code in their DRM/Rootkit was licensed under a version of the GPL, and Sony hasn't complied with the terms of the license. Makes me want to mod the old PS2 even more. http://www.psxtune.com/psx2/index.html Link |
Personally, I think you are a FOOL, or should I say child, and I can't say much for "Admin Jafo" either.
You people who are suddenly against sony really do have a problem.
I own SONY products and they perform perfectly for my needs. It's seems to me you really have problems.
Also as far the
| pssst: the original post was by the OWNER of this site. I think that means it's OK. |
I THINK NOT. I don't care if he is the owner of this site, I am a Wincutomize subscriber, Contributor to a SKINNING SITE.
ISN'T THIS SUPPOSED TO BE A SKINNING SITE???
ALL the crap about the use of bandwidth, what a joke.
CerebroJD
Reply #27 Monday, November 14, 2005 2:27 AM
Reply #27 Monday, November 14, 2005 2:27 AM
Alpha, please, it is not your place (so to speak) to judge what should be 'news' and what should not be. Although we appreciate you standing up for the 'Skinner's Hangount' sort of mentality here, its really a fact of 'news is news' and the big stories that involve technology are free to be posted here. And in the end, by the way, since it IS Frogboy's site, he can post what he likes on it. 
Best plan.... lets just try to be a little less 'reactive' to things people say, and just accept that this is the news that is posted. Cant do much now.
Best plan.... lets just try to be a little less 'reactive' to things people say, and just accept that this is the news that is posted. Cant do much now.
starkers
Reply #28 Monday, November 14, 2005 2:43 AM
And being that so many of us use, or are affected by these technologies to some degree, Frogboy is doing us all a favour by bringing the issues to our attention.......keep 'em coming Brad.
Reply #28 Monday, November 14, 2005 2:43 AM
| its really a fact of 'news is news' and the big stories that involve technology are free to be posted here. |
And being that so many of us use, or are affected by these technologies to some degree, Frogboy is doing us all a favour by bringing the issues to our attention.......keep 'em coming Brad.
joetheblow
Reply #29 Monday, November 14, 2005 3:09 AM
Reply #29 Monday, November 14, 2005 3:09 AM
Could this be a sign?
Playstation 3 Vs. XBOX 360?
As for this being a skinning ite... do you remember or did you forget, most people on here are into technology. Yuo would have to be if your tricking out your computer. Skinning started and is based on knowing something about your computer and how it works.
Soooooo... the connection of this Sony issue is made clear. This is a skinning site, but it is also about technology at its core and inpiticualr SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT; please deal.
Sony makes good products, obviously, but this situation should call for many people to suddenly be against Sony mush like many people were against Black and Decker, Tylenol and othr companies to do good thing and make good products but then do something that only amounts to pure follishness.
This rootkit thing and installing software EVEN IF YOU REJECT THE AGREEMENT is something to be upset about; don't you think alpha-omega?
Would you like to play something on your DVD drive or CD drive and it just not work?
Funny about all this lawsuit stuff... he only ones who will get any money are the original filers (and it will likly be small) and the lawyers. Now that is something to be upset about but reasonabily slitting 10 million dollars 500,000 ways will only get you so much anyway.
Playstation 3 Vs. XBOX 360?
As for this being a skinning ite... do you remember or did you forget, most people on here are into technology. Yuo would have to be if your tricking out your computer. Skinning started and is based on knowing something about your computer and how it works.
Soooooo... the connection of this Sony issue is made clear. This is a skinning site, but it is also about technology at its core and inpiticualr SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT; please deal.
Sony makes good products, obviously, but this situation should call for many people to suddenly be against Sony mush like many people were against Black and Decker, Tylenol and othr companies to do good thing and make good products but then do something that only amounts to pure follishness.
This rootkit thing and installing software EVEN IF YOU REJECT THE AGREEMENT is something to be upset about; don't you think alpha-omega?
Would you like to play something on your DVD drive or CD drive and it just not work?
Funny about all this lawsuit stuff... he only ones who will get any money are the original filers (and it will likly be small) and the lawyers. Now that is something to be upset about but reasonabily slitting 10 million dollars 500,000 ways will only get you so much anyway.
Jafo
Reply #30 Monday, November 14, 2005 6:04 AM
Reply #30 Monday, November 14, 2005 6:04 AM
| THINK NOT. I don't care if he is the owner of this site, I am a Wincutomize subscriber, Contributor to a SKINNING SITE. ISN'T THIS SUPPOSED TO BE A SKINNING SITE??? ALL the crap about the use of bandwidth, what a joke. |
Contribute by being pro-active, not militant/obstructionist. When you foot the whole bill for this 'crap...bandwidth' then you may deserve to be heard. In the meantime, behave....quietly...
thomassen
Reply #31 Monday, November 14, 2005 7:44 AM
This is a community site. And I don't see that harm of information, espesially regaring privacy issues. And it's not like there is that much "skinning news" that gets surpressed by having "non skinning news".
Reply #31 Monday, November 14, 2005 7:44 AM
| AND ALL THIS HAS "WHAT" TO DO WITH SKINNING. This sort of stuff should be on the BLOG site, not here!!!! |
This is a community site. And I don't see that harm of information, espesially regaring privacy issues. And it's not like there is that much "skinning news" that gets surpressed by having "non skinning news".
DJBandit
Reply #34 Monday, November 14, 2005 10:38 AM
Personally, I think you should be ashamed of yourself. As usual a person who has nothing good to say relies on name calling. So Sony works good for you, who cares. Many people have The Sony PlayStation and probably a PSP but they can still think that Sony sucks. And perhaps you should pay more attention to the replies before you make a fool of yourself as well. Most people spoke of burning or recording hardware and software from Sony. You can't argue with people who have had problems with a particular brand just because you haven't. So maybe you should realise what you posted and reconsider who's the real child on this site.
Earth to Alpha-omega, come down from those clouds you like so much. Not ur site, not your decision. Just because you paid doesn't mean you have power on this site. Grow up. How the hell do people like you learn to us computers and make it to sites like this one? I would have figured you would need a brain for that but I guess I was wrong.
Sorry if I got out of hand but his stupidity is just so extraordinary I couldn't resist.
Reply #34 Monday, November 14, 2005 10:38 AM
| Personally, I think you are a FOOL, or should I say child, and I can't say much for "Admin Jafo" either.You people who are suddenly against Sony really do have a problem.I own SONY products and they perform perfectly for my needs. It's seems to me you really have problems.Also as far the |
Personally, I think you should be ashamed of yourself. As usual a person who has nothing good to say relies on name calling. So Sony works good for you, who cares. Many people have The Sony PlayStation and probably a PSP but they can still think that Sony sucks. And perhaps you should pay more attention to the replies before you make a fool of yourself as well. Most people spoke of burning or recording hardware and software from Sony. You can't argue with people who have had problems with a particular brand just because you haven't. So maybe you should realise what you posted and reconsider who's the real child on this site.
| I THINK NOT. I don't care if he is the owner of this site, I am a Wincutomize subscriber, Contributor to a SKINNING SITE.ISN'T THIS SUPPOSED TO BE A SKINNING SITE???ALL the crap about the use of bandwidth, what a joke. |
Earth to Alpha-omega, come down from those clouds you like so much. Not ur site, not your decision. Just because you paid doesn't mean you have power on this site. Grow up. How the hell do people like you learn to us computers and make it to sites like this one? I would have figured you would need a brain for that but I guess I was wrong.
Sorry if I got out of hand but his stupidity is just so extraordinary I couldn't resist.
DJBandit
Reply #35 Monday, November 14, 2005 10:40 AM
Reply #35 Monday, November 14, 2005 10:40 AM
Oh yea, I don't like Sony much. I try to avoid companies who try to impose their own software and hardware and not let you use alternatives and who also think they are above everything. Specially if there are alternatives.
joetheblow
Reply #36 Monday, November 14, 2005 12:01 PM
Reply #36 Monday, November 14, 2005 12:01 PM
...
PS3 Vs. XBOX 360...
think about it...
lol
PS3 Vs. XBOX 360...
think about it...
lol
alpha-omega
Reply #37 Monday, November 14, 2005 12:19 PM
All I can say to that is, WHAT A DORK.
I have been into computers for many many years, probably a lot longer than you.
I build computers and repair them as my real trade is a Technician.
Don't insult my intelligence.
Admin Jafo, so typical from you.
Reply #37 Monday, November 14, 2005 12:19 PM
| How the hell do people like you learn to us computers and make it to sites like this one? I would have figured you would need a brain for that but I guess I was wrong. |
All I can say to that is, WHAT A DORK.
I have been into computers for many many years, probably a lot longer than you.
I build computers and repair them as my real trade is a Technician.
Don't insult my intelligence.
| In the meantime, behave....quietly.. |
Admin Jafo, so typical from you.
XX
Reply #38 Monday, November 14, 2005 12:51 PM
Reply #38 Monday, November 14, 2005 12:51 PM
alpha-omega, this isn't some Democratic site. This is a dictator-controlled site. We have freedom of speech here only on grant from our tyrant, Frogboy.
Basically, he owns this site and can do whatever he wants to it, including just scrapping it and use servers to play Warcraft or something.
Sony sure makes good hardware, but I'm sure this scandal will hard Sony hard, very hard. If it's bad enough, it will permanently weaken Sony. Good, since we don't need companies that do stuff like that.
Basically, he owns this site and can do whatever he wants to it, including just scrapping it and use servers to play Warcraft or something.
Sony sure makes good hardware, but I'm sure this scandal will hard Sony hard, very hard. If it's bad enough, it will permanently weaken Sony. Good, since we don't need companies that do stuff like that.
Chef Garry
Reply #39 Monday, November 14, 2005 12:53 PM
Reply #39 Monday, November 14, 2005 12:53 PM
Alpha, no one is insisting you read this thread. What's so difficult about ignoring it? How long you've been using, building and repairing computers has no relevance to your arguement and even less to the topic of the thread.
Chef Garry knows better than to feed the trolls.
Chef Garry knows better than to feed the trolls.
George Rogers Jr
Reply #40 Monday, November 14, 2005 2:37 PM
Garry... .....
Reply #40 Monday, November 14, 2005 2:37 PM
George Rogers Jr knows better than to feed the trolls. |
Garry...
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Reply #21 Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:44 PM