Abuse of power, can it really be stopped?
Tuesday, November 8, 2005 by WC Ambassador | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Abuse of power, can it really be stopped?
A screenshot is a screenshot. Nothing is more innocent than that. I have made a windowblinds skin based on Nvidia Reactor Windows Media Player by TSF. The skin turned out as if the great Pixtudio group made it. People loved the screenshot and have shown love toward it. I have updated many skins that are available to the publics, yet I never shared them because I know the authors still have full right over them. I'm good at respecting people's work. The Skins Factory hated the fact that the skin has a premium feels and started to threat me. Now the screenshot is disappeared. What TSF wants, TSF gets. How can a screenshot become so controversial?
Mike Bryant was one of the main reasons I have subscribed to WC ‘cause I’ve learn so much through his works, but...
A screenshot is a screenshot. Nothing is more innocent than that. I have made a windowblinds skin based on Nvidia Reactor Windows Media Player by TSF. The skin turned out as if the great Pixtudio group made it. People loved the screenshot and have shown love toward it. I have updated many skins that are available to the publics, yet I never shared them because I know the authors still have full right over them. I'm good at respecting people's work. The Skins Factory hated the fact that the skin has a premium feels and started to threat me. Now the screenshot is disappeared. What TSF wants, TSF gets. How can a screenshot become so controversial?
Mike Bryant was one of the main reasons I have subscribed to WC ‘cause I’ve learn so much through his works, but...
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Fuzzy Logic
Reply #22 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 2:51 PM
Reply #22 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 2:51 PM
| All my screenshots deserves to be instant Daily shot |
Makes me wonder who has the biggest ego... 
NightTrainthedark
Reply #23 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 2:57 PM
Reply #23 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 2:57 PM
Whew..... Wincustomize missed by a lightyear with their Ambassador (self proclaimed of course). 
WC Ambassador
Reply #24 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 3:19 PM
I was just kidding there to make a point. Because all my screeenshots are based on the top skins by the greatest authors. If they all mad, I'll have no more screenshots. It's the skins I use that deserves to be a daily shot to make myself clear. If they are all worried, I'll have nothing.
Reply #24 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 3:19 PM
| All my screenshots deserves to be instant Daily shot |
I was just kidding there to make a point. Because all my screeenshots are based on the top skins by the greatest authors. If they all mad, I'll have no more screenshots. It's the skins I use that deserves to be a daily shot to make myself clear. If they are all worried, I'll have nothing.
scorpio-logic
Reply #25 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 3:42 PM
I agree, your approach is somewhat aggressive.
This comment gives you the air of conceit, and with this kind of comment, you will get more and more negative response.
Aimzzz is right. WC is protecting itself as a financial entity, if they have recieved notice to remove this screenshot, or feel if they do not that WC might become a target for an infringement case they should remove.
I don't think that it should have been removed, but another point was made above in that if you post a screenshot of a skin that someone else made and you do not state "please, no requests for download", they have the right to request removal.
You do good work. So, I ask: why not create your own skin? "updating" and "porting" others is not the only route to show off your ability.
It's removed, for whatever reason. Bummer. Move on. Try not to give yourself a heart attack from self-infliction of high levels of stress over a non-critical event. No one has died, even then the grieving period shouldn't be too long. There is nothing you can do about it now, except persistantly asking for permission.
If you are as aggressive and seemingly arrogant in your requests to TSF, you might try a different approach.
I am in no way attacking, accusing or berating you. But I am hoping that you gain an understanding of how people here in the forums are percieving you. An argumentative approach will get nothing but argument.
Thanks for reading my 2 cents. And, Please, try and be a happy skinner.
Reply #25 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 3:42 PM
| I still think your screenshot should not have been removed, but you are taking the wrong approach here. You are wrong in your assumptions...and a screenshot of an updated WB skin, doesn't necessarily make a good screenshot. Keep that in mind too... |
I agree, your approach is somewhat aggressive.
| All my screenshots deserves to be instant Daily shot. |
This comment gives you the air of conceit, and with this kind of comment, you will get more and more negative response.
| I support the 1st Amendment completely. Also I believe that a business has the right to set guidelines or limits regarding what is shown on its website. If WC removes something from this site, the company is not infringing on anyone's freedom of expression, but is saying "not on this particular site"-- for whatever reason. It is WC's prerogative to do so. There are countless other outlets for posting anything you want. We post here in accord with the criteria of WC. |
Aimzzz is right. WC is protecting itself as a financial entity, if they have recieved notice to remove this screenshot, or feel if they do not that WC might become a target for an infringement case they should remove.
I don't think that it should have been removed, but another point was made above in that if you post a screenshot of a skin that someone else made and you do not state "please, no requests for download", they have the right to request removal.
You do good work. So, I ask: why not create your own skin? "updating" and "porting" others is not the only route to show off your ability.
It's removed, for whatever reason. Bummer. Move on. Try not to give yourself a heart attack from self-infliction of high levels of stress over a non-critical event. No one has died, even then the grieving period shouldn't be too long. There is nothing you can do about it now, except persistantly asking for permission.
If you are as aggressive and seemingly arrogant in your requests to TSF, you might try a different approach.
I am in no way attacking, accusing or berating you. But I am hoping that you gain an understanding of how people here in the forums are percieving you. An argumentative approach will get nothing but argument.
Thanks for reading my 2 cents. And, Please, try and be a happy skinner.
SIXX21
Reply #26 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 4:06 PM
Reply #26 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 4:06 PM
Maybe WC should come up with a system that lets the user know why something was deleted off the website like maybe…………..an E-Mail….. 
might could avoid some hurt feeling or something
might could avoid some hurt feeling or something
srdiamond
Reply #27 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 4:34 PM
Reply #27 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 4:34 PM
It is outrageous that a contribution was removed without any reason provided. Worse than when the WC site was down, and Frogboy failed even to apologize to users for lost postings. If WC wants subscribers, it will have to become less arrogant.
SIXX21
Reply #28 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 4:44 PM
Whoa.........Dude.........don't hold back or anything..........don't sugar coat it.........just let it out and tell us how u realy feel..................
Reply #28 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 4:44 PM
| It is outrageous that a contribution was removed without any reason provided. Worse than when the WC site was down, and Frogboy failed even to apologize to users for lost postings. If WC wants subscribers, it will have to become less arrogant. |
Whoa.........Dude.........don't hold back or anything..........don't sugar coat it.........just let it out and tell us how u realy feel..................
scorpio-logic
Reply #29 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 4:53 PM
Amazing how much emotion can come from text!
SIXX: BTW, I do like your political statement link...
Reply #29 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 4:53 PM
| don't hold back or anything |
Amazing how much emotion can come from text!
SIXX: BTW, I do like your political statement link...
Jafo
Reply #30 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 5:21 PM
Reply #30 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 5:21 PM
I shall hunt down comment #51 on the screenshot in question [yes, I even remember the number] and post it here.
Jafo
Reply #31 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 5:29 PM
Reply #31 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 5:29 PM
Comment# 51 By Admin Jafo  - 10/31/2005 7:44:30 PM |
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Distribution of another's works, or works derived from and/or using parts of another's works, without prior consent is a violation of inherent copyright. It is also against Wincustomize.com policy, established by and for the skinners of this [and other] online communities. All abide by these same tenets. If a person chooses to defy accepted policy, here or anywhere else he runs the very real risk of being removed from this community [and others]. This is particularly an issue when the chosen 'nick' is taken into account,...as any 'issue' has the potential to reflect upon this site, whether warranted or, as in this case, not. Please heed the requests of The Skins Factory, and/or Pixtudio. Neither is a good choice of opponent.... |
SIXX21
Reply #32 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 5:32 PM
Thanx scorpio....
Reply #32 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 5:32 PM
| SIXX: BTW, I do like your political statement link... |
Thanx scorpio....
Jafo
Reply #33 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 5:32 PM
Reply #33 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 5:32 PM
All the posted email adresses were deleted to remove temptation, following a silly thread posting a few days ago, likewise removed....
Phoon
Reply #34 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 5:40 PM
Hus,
Without having read more past your post..
If you MODIFY Copperdeck2 then yes, you are using someone elses work in your modification. This directly subjects the original author to perceptions which he/she/they did not intend to project. In TSF's case, they earn a living doing this and would thus be entitled to damages incurred by said mis-perceptions.
If you create your own graphics which were inspired by Copperdeck2 then no harm, no foul.
Reply #34 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 5:40 PM
| if I modify CopperDeck2, and then upload a SCREENSHOT of my modifications...you gonna tell me I'm doing something wrong? |
Hus,
Without having read more past your post..
If you MODIFY Copperdeck2 then yes, you are using someone elses work in your modification. This directly subjects the original author to perceptions which he/she/they did not intend to project. In TSF's case, they earn a living doing this and would thus be entitled to damages incurred by said mis-perceptions.
If you create your own graphics which were inspired by Copperdeck2 then no harm, no foul.
kona0197
Reply #35 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 5:55 PM
WC is a private website. 1st Admendment dosen't apply here.
I'm glad this SS stuff got dealt with as it should but why is it when I think of TSF I see the words "arrogant" and "self rightous jerk" appear in my head?
Reply #35 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 5:55 PM
| I support the 1st Amendment completely. Also I believe that a business has the right to set guidelines or limits regarding what is shown on its website. |
WC is a private website. 1st Admendment dosen't apply here.
I'm glad this SS stuff got dealt with as it should but why is it when I think of TSF I see the words "arrogant" and "self rightous jerk" appear in my head?
Jafo
Reply #36 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 6:03 PM
Reply #36 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 6:03 PM
Kona0197 ....let's refrain from name-calling, thankyou.
Corky_O
Reply #37 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 6:09 PM
Reply #37 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 6:09 PM
| Power has nothing to do with it. WinCustomize protects your copyrights and it protects my copyrights. If my work was being distributed without permission via screenshot comments, I would want to put a stop to it, as would anyone else. This isn't some meaningless formality that you should try to circumvent by posting a screenshot and taking email addresses. Copyrights are serious and important to all of us who have put countless hours of careful thought and labor into creating skins. |
I can get behind that.....
Well put, Mike.
Bichur
Reply #38 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 6:11 PM
Now I'm getting confused. I thought the focus of screenshots was to portray what you have on your desktop. No more, no less. Whether what you used was changed or not. Depending on the definition, tweaking the color would be a modification. Does this mean that all those screenshots with color tweaking need permission first? Does this mean we can't show any blinds in a screenshot if we changed the toolbars because the artist didn't create any? If I post a screen shot, do I have to hide my throbber because one wasn't skinned?
I do agree with not giving out modded skins, by email or any other means, without permission. It's just now I getting confused about the actual screenie itself.
Reply #38 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 6:11 PM
| if I modify CopperDeck2, and then upload a SCREENSHOT of my modifications...you gonna tell me I'm doing something wrong? |
| If you MODIFY Copperdeck2 then yes, you are using someone elses work in your modification. This directly subjects the original author to perceptions which he/she/they did not intend to project. |
Now I'm getting confused. I thought the focus of screenshots was to portray what you have on your desktop. No more, no less. Whether what you used was changed or not. Depending on the definition, tweaking the color would be a modification. Does this mean that all those screenshots with color tweaking need permission first? Does this mean we can't show any blinds in a screenshot if we changed the toolbars because the artist didn't create any? If I post a screen shot, do I have to hide my throbber because one wasn't skinned?
I do agree with not giving out modded skins, by email or any other means, without permission. It's just now I getting confused about the actual screenie itself.
Jafo
Reply #39 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 6:20 PM
Reply #39 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 6:20 PM
| Now I'm getting confused. I thought the focus of screenshots was to portray what you have on your desktop. No more, no less. Whether what you used was changed or not. Depending on the definition, tweaking the color would be a modification. Does this mean that all those screenshots with color tweaking need permission first? Does this mean we can't show any blinds in a screenshot if we changed the toolbars because the artist didn't create any? If I post a screen shot, do I have to hide my throbber because one wasn't skinned? |
Anything goes in screenshots....except...
Porn
Racial Vilification/personal attack
distributable content...eg unobscured walls created by another person.
An intention to unlawfully distribute another's property via posted email links.
The determination of what does or does not 'fit' within those limitations is the responsibility of the Site's moderators....
Threi
Reply #40 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 6:24 PM
yeah i guess thats how it is here...
Reply #40 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 6:24 PM
| What TSF wants, TSF gets. |
yeah i guess thats how it is here...
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Reply #21 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 2:50 PM
No but you did promise to send it to people that asked for it. Just to be clear. Post #16 is dead on.
TSF did nothing wrong. He was just protecting HIS property and he has the right to do so. Copyright laws state that the work you (WC Ambassador) did is the legal property of TSF. It doesn't matter who made the images. You copied his work and hinted on sending it to people. He can collect damages for each time you send it to someone.