WinCustomize: What happens next
The plan for WinCustomize's future
Monday, October 31, 2005 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News
Overall Philosophy
WinCustomize.com is a website whose goals are to promote a skinning community as well as help support content being created and shared that is for use with Stardock's software. Over the years, WinCustomize.com's popularity has grown immensely. By October of 2005, it had reached a staggering 25 million monthly visitors. Because the site focuses largely on the downloading of skins, themes, icons, and wallpapers, the bandwidth expenses for the site are enormous. In addition, as the site has tried to sustain a feeling of community as opposed to being merely a glorified FTP site, the expense in running the site has grown due to the need to bring in and coordinate increasing numbers of file, SQL, and scripting servers.
In its present state, Stardock pays for the cost of WinCustomize that isn't covered by advertising revenue and WinCustomize subscriptions. WinCustomize is a very valuable asset of Stardock and the community that it supports means a lot to the the people who work at Stardock. Stardock is a privately held company so its motivations are not necessarily driven by maximizing profit (in other words, making money isn't the only goal).
However, while WinCustomize's importance to Stardock is immense, it is not infinite. Simply put, the cost of running WinCustomize has outstripped Stardock's ability to sustain it. Of the 25 million visitors each month, over 3 million of them are "unique" (i.e. different people). Obviously, most of those users aren't Stardock customers in any form. To make WinCustomize viable, the model under which is operates needs to evolve. It is clear that a subscription drive isn't going to be enough. The October subscription drive managed to bring in less than 1,000 people -- many of whom were existing subscribers who re-subscribed. In essence, of a website that gets over 3 million different people visiting, it would seem that our "hard core" community of users is probably less (guessing) than a few thousand. In other words, the "community" of users is still relatively small which isn't necessarily all bad.
Over the coming months, users will see a gradual evolution of the site designed to increase revenue coming into the site. Most of the effort will come from increasing advertising revenue. The rest will come from encouraging subscriptions and providing financial rewards to skin authors.
Users who have Object Desktop will become distinct from users who have simply purchased a product. Object Desktop users will not have full WinCustomize subscription status but they will have unlimited downloads. Those who have purchased a given product (such as WindowBlinds or IconPackager) will have unlimited downloads in their corresponding product but not in other areas. The biggest change an Object Desktop user will see is that some skins will be marked as subscriber-only for the first 30 days and those skins will be part of the normal gallery. Otherwise, things will be essentially the same.
The biggest changes for users who haven't purchased is that the site will have a lot more advertising on it and there will be a much greater push for users to create an account.
User Classes
Classes of users:
0: People who do not have accounts.
1: People who have created an account but have no subscription and have not purchased a product. Accounts are free to create.
2: People who have purchased a product or subscription in the past but are currently not active customers
3: People who are active customers (purchased a product in the past year).
4: People who have an active Object Desktop account.
5: People who have a WinCustomize Platinum Subscription.
Users with Apprentice Access to Master Apprentice will have the equivalent of Group 4. Users with Journeyman access on up will have the equivalent of group 5. Users with Contributor access will have the equivalent of Group 2.
Access Privileges:
Group 0 users will not be able to download skins and themes that are 0 days old. They will only be able to download 10 megabytes of other skins & themes. The number of ads they see will be akin to what people see on other sites -- in other words quite a bit. They will be designed to bypass the various ad-blocking programs (Stardock, after all, is a software developer, we can get around this stuff if we put effort into it).
Group 1 users will be able to download up to 50 megabytes of skins and themes without having to purchase something or contribute something. They will see a lot of ads but not quite as much as group 0. Still quite a bit more than they see today. The number of ads these users see will grow based on the # of megabytes they download. At first, a group 1 user would see about the same # of ads as group 2 but then it would steadily increase. The system will also be updated to make it more difficult to bypass.
Group 2 users will be able to download up to 500 megabytes of skins and themes of the product they had bought and 50 megabytes elsewhere without having to purchase something or contribute something. Otherwise they are the same as group 1.
Group 3 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content in the product they've purchased plus 100 megabytes elsewhere. They don't see quite as much ads as group 2.
Group 4 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content. They see fewer ads. They get personal pages.
Group 5 users will be able to download premium skins. They see no ads. They have unlimited downloads. They get the WinCustomize skin browser. They get to download subscriber-only skins. Their posts, comments, etc. will have a graphic by them indicating that they are a subscriber.
New Features
Contributor Access. Anyone who submits a skin, theme, icon, wallpaper that gets made public is automatically promoted to Contributor level. They automatically gain new privileges on the site.
Subscriber-Only Skins. When a user who has Master access or higher submits a skin, a checkbox will appear that will indicate whether it is only available for subscribers or not. If checked, the skin is only available for subscribers for 30 days after its original create date (updates don't count). Eventually, skinners will be able to have a special link to their Affiliate page (if exists) https://www.stardock.com/affiliates.asp that if the person buys a subscription from their link the skin author will receive 20% of the revenue.
Long Term Goal
In the near-term, we want to get the site to be financially viable. A site with the level of visitation that WinCustomize currently has should have at least 3 full-time people dedicated to it with another 3 who provide help part-time (speaking in terms of web design, database development, ASP development, server management, community support, etc.). The site also needs at least 3 more servers which is where the money from the subscription drive is largely going to go towards.
Once revenue is more balanced under the current system through the changes we mentioned above, Stardock will hire people who will work on WinCustomize full-time to help support subscribers and the community in general. Some people have noted how much of a difference just having one person providing community support in the forums recently. Having people assigned to work on the site could make a big difference and help the site evolve into a place that isn't just a first-rate community but a place where skinners and artists can financially benefit from their work as well.
So the site isn't going to become some subscriber-only site. There will be a few more limits on non-subscribers and those without accounts or haven't purchased anything will start to see a lot mroe ads. But hopefully over time these changes will be enough to tilt the mighty ship on course. When you're dealing with millions of people each month, you only have to make changes that make a slight effect. Supporting the site can mean everything from buying a subscription to supporting our advertisers by visiting their sites through their ads to of course creating skins, themes, icons, wallpapers, etc. as well as participating on our forums and comments areas.
Reply #202 Thursday, November 3, 2005 2:33 PM
Having one PC running myself, it takes me constant maintenance to keep it funning, because I download/install and experiment daily. So those of us out there with the one funning machine, imagine trying to keep 4 and 5 boxes running smoothly, with millions of digital people running around making a mess, trying to keep it cleaned and efficient.
I haven't read anywhere in Stardock or WC rules/guidelines where it is stated that these are majority ruled sites. Yeah, it pays to do what the customer most wants, but rules must be made to keep things in order.
I see nothing too restrictive, or too lax, about the guidelines set in this thread-header by Brad. I am sure that they crew in charge took a lot of time and lots of emails to come to the their conclusion.
I am completely happy with it, one: because I have a sub and OD. I don't even know what all perks I get, as long as I can still surf through all these wonderful desktop enhancements, I don't mind paying a sub renewal. I'm just glad it isn't like an OS platform, where you pay ungodly for half-@zzed functionality and support for uncounted years (or in the case of older OS like 98, no support anymore).
This is a growing entity. The entity needs nourishment. Give it love, it will give back tenfold. Six cents a day, pretty good price I say. And those of us that want MORE restriction on download access, hey give em some enough to make their mouths drool. Then give em a hanky and offer a second plate. They will come for more. Those that don't aren't usually worth entertaining anyway.
Thanks for reading my 3 cents. Happy skinning!

Reply #203 Thursday, November 3, 2005 3:05 PM
#202 AMEN. Thanks, everyone at Stardock and WC. Enuff, already...can we get on with it? (see WB 5 thread
)Reply #204 Thursday, November 3, 2005 5:45 PM
Reply #205 Thursday, November 3, 2005 6:17 PM
I only wish I had the skinning talent that I see here. But I don't, so I pay. What's so hard to understand about that?
I guess it's just that it's been "free" for so long that any change like this is bound to cause a ruckus!
Hey Doreen - I've used at least one of your WP layouts from Marsware!
Reply #206 Thursday, November 3, 2005 6:27 PM
I think this is a smart, well thought out plan, and I agree with it wholeheartedly. Just my opinion.
Bev
Reply #207 Thursday, November 3, 2005 6:36 PM

Reply #208 Thursday, November 3, 2005 7:24 PM

Reply #209 Thursday, November 3, 2005 8:13 PM
Someone who buys Object Desktop currently gets:
- Component Tray
- ControlCenter
- Desktop Gadgets (which is a half dozen programs on its own)
- DesktopX
- Enhanced File Dialog
- IconDeveloper
- IconPackager
- IconX
- Keyboard LaunchPad
- ObjectEdit
- Object Sweeper
- ObjectBar
- ObjectMedia
- RightCLick
- SkinStudio Pro
- Stardock Virtual Desktops
- Tab LaunchPad
- Theme Manager
- TweakShell
- WindowBlinds 5
- WindowFX
That's 21 programs for $50. Even if you only use say 4 of these programs, that's still an incredible deal. I am rather surprised to hear anyone suggest that ON TOP of this the user should get a free full subscription to WinCustomize.com.
When I buy a CD player, I don't expect to get my music for free. Here, Stardock is providing Object Desktop users with unlimited bandwidth use of WinCustomize, just not to subscriber specific skins.
Reply #210 Thursday, November 3, 2005 9:15 PM
| That's 21 programs for $50. Even if you only use say 4 of these programs, that's still an incredible deal. I am rather surprised to hear anyone suggest that ON TOP of this the user should get a free full subscription to WinCustomize.com. When I buy a CD player, I don't expect to get my music for free. Here, Stardock is providing Object Desktop users with unlimited bandwidth use of WinCustomize, just not to subscriber specific skins. |
I tend to agree. I am an OD subscriber, and I initially subscribed to WC when the site was first put online, but let it lapse after two years, due to the fact that my OD status pretty much gave me access to everything that I use here. I have re-subscribed to WC however, simnply because I want to do my part to keep the site online (and I hate ads).
Reply #211 Friday, November 4, 2005 2:37 AM
Hope To Stay Or Be Connected, Lono358.....
Reply #212 Friday, November 4, 2005 3:32 AM
But on december I get my first paycheck from a job I recently got offered.
First thing I'm going to do is get a subscription, even if it has to be by moneyorder, to wincustomize.
Not only that but I'm going to try to contribute to this site from now and on.
This is inspiration from some of the top theme artist, which I look up to.
Someday I hope to be as well known as Kol or Steve Grenier. Some of the people that spark my intrest in skinning.
Reply #214 Friday, November 4, 2005 7:06 AM
| just thought you might want a little encouragement on some theoretical progress... your thoughts? |
Nice cover!

Reply #215 Friday, November 4, 2005 8:47 AM
| When I buy a CD player, I don't expect to get my music for free. Here, Stardock is providing Object Desktop users with unlimited bandwidth use of WinCustomize, just not to subscriber specific skins. |
When I purhcased my MP3 player, I recieved some free music from an online music store as a 'taste' of what I could get. How about a one week trial for new ODNT users? I definatly agree that ODNT users get a bang for their buck when they purchase it. There are so many great tools in there!
Reply #216 Friday, November 4, 2005 12:16 PM
| When I purhcased my MP3 player, I recieved some free music from an online music store as a 'taste' of what I could get. |
Most of the items in Brad's list come with quite a number of sample skins already.
Reply #217 Friday, November 4, 2005 1:31 PM
| When I purhcased my MP3 player, I recieved some free music from an online music store as a 'taste' of what I could get. How about a one week trial for new ODNT users? I definatly agree that ODNT users get a bang for their buck when they purchase it. There are so many great tools in there! |
We already include a bunch of skins, themes, and icons with the various programs. In addition, Object Desktop users get unlimited downloads on WinCustomize.com.
Reply #218 Friday, November 4, 2005 1:42 PM
| Someone who buys Object Desktop currently gets: Component Tray ControlCenter Desktop Gadgets (which is a half dozen programs on its own) DesktopX Enhanced File Dialog IconDeveloper IconPackager IconX Keyboard LaunchPad ObjectEdit Object Sweeper ObjectBar ObjectMedia RightCLick SkinStudio Pro Stardock Virtual Desktops Tab LaunchPad Theme Manager TweakShell WindowBlinds 5 WindowFX |
Actually, those last two? They don't like playing with each other right now....
But I do agree with you, I have OD for 7 months and I still haven't played with all my toys.
Reply #220 Friday, November 4, 2005 6:43 PM
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Reply #201 Thursday, November 3, 2005 1:04 PM