Trouble Over in the WB Section
Do the WB Comments Get Moderated?
Friday, September 30, 2005 by Damilee | Discussion: WinCustomize Site Issues
Here is the link: https://www.wincustomize.com/ViewSkin.aspx?SID=1&SkinID=5314&LibID=1&comments=1
Seems that there is an issue at hand about the validity of a certain skin...Has this been looked into?
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Fuzzy Logic
Reply #3 Friday, September 30, 2005 6:23 PM
Reply #3 Friday, September 30, 2005 6:23 PM
Ah but do you see the dilemma? If skin A is a pixel for pixel copy of Vista, how can the author then claim skin B is a rip of skin A when skin B could just as easily be another pixel for pixel copy of Vista?
[moderator hat off] Personally, I think they are all rips (including the alleged 'originals') and should be trashed [moderator hat on]
The situation requires further investigation. People, in the mean time, should refrain from leaving comments on skins which they may later regret 
Damilee
Reply #4 Friday, September 30, 2005 6:30 PM
Reply #4 Friday, September 30, 2005 6:30 PM
Hey, like I said, I was just wondering and noticing...not so much on the one that Night Train pointed out, but on the Vista, the author has never submitted one original thing, ever. He suddenly comes up with these hidden talents on a skin that is extremely hard to make from what I hear.
Frogboy
Reply #5 Friday, September 30, 2005 6:49 PM
Reply #5 Friday, September 30, 2005 6:49 PM
I don't think OS skins are rips. I think they probably violate someone's tradedress rights and if a company were to ask us to remove them (and ask the other sites to remove them) then we would. But I don't look at them as rips.
OS skins are one of the most common reasons people skin their PC.
Phoon
Reply #6 Friday, September 30, 2005 7:43 PM
Reply #6 Friday, September 30, 2005 7:43 PM
A quote from Kol's statement at Neowin concerning the link in Night Train's post above.
I think Kol has without question proven his case on this. This one goes way beyond simply mimicking an OS skin and should be pulled.
| You can import other Longhorn themes and you'll notice a difference in images size, style etc. This one is identical. And the shellstyle use the same images too even the same opacity. The search and movie icons are created by me because when I extracted the image from Longhorn I didnt find any high quality image for Search and Movies. |
I think Kol has without question proven his case on this. This one goes way beyond simply mimicking an OS skin and should be pulled.
Jafo
Reply #7 Friday, September 30, 2005 8:03 PM
Reply #7 Friday, September 30, 2005 8:03 PM
I'm currently unable to access these works 'correctly' to deal....
Jafo
Reply #10 Friday, September 30, 2005 8:54 PM
Reply #10 Friday, September 30, 2005 8:54 PM
Minor coding glitch....quite selective, really....
Probably reads as "just take the weekend off, Paul....you earned it"....
Frogboy
Reply #14 Friday, September 30, 2005 9:14 PM
Reply #14 Friday, September 30, 2005 9:14 PM
There's a bug in the moderation stuff right now. And our coders are out for the weekend. 
TheSkinsFactory
Reply #15 Friday, September 30, 2005 9:34 PM
They are rips. They have always been rips. The only reason they've been allowed is because it sells Object Desktop for Stardock. But it's not like Microsoft doesn't know about you guys so if they don't care why should anyone else. But they are rips. They are unauthorized ports of a skin. Which is what the definition of a rip is.
The first sentence you say they aren't rips and then right after you admit they are probably copyright violations. I think that's referred to as "talking out of both sides of your mouth". I can't remember the saying but you get the gist of it.
Reply #15 Friday, September 30, 2005 9:34 PM
| I don't think OS skins are rips. |
They are rips. They have always been rips. The only reason they've been allowed is because it sells Object Desktop for Stardock. But it's not like Microsoft doesn't know about you guys so if they don't care why should anyone else. But they are rips. They are unauthorized ports of a skin. Which is what the definition of a rip is.
| I think they probably violate someone's tradedress rights and if a company were to ask us to remove them (and ask the other sites to remove them) then we would. |
The first sentence you say they aren't rips and then right after you admit they are probably copyright violations. I think that's referred to as "talking out of both sides of your mouth". I can't remember the saying but you get the gist of it.
Damilee
Reply #16 Friday, September 30, 2005 9:35 PM
Reply #16 Friday, September 30, 2005 9:35 PM
Hey, there's been another rip report https://www.wincustomize.com/ViewSkin.aspx?SID=1&SkinID=5330&LibID=1&comments=1 could use some looking into as well
TheD2JBug
Reply #19 Friday, September 30, 2005 11:39 PM
TSF:
What you say isn't exactly true. While Stardock makes money from doing things like Luna on pre-XP and Vista effects, I think where he's coming from is a bit of motivated self-interest.
What sells WB to me are the skinners. Lets face it, you wouldn't buy WB to plaster your desktop with some lame msstyle port or a really crappy WB, would you? No. You wanna put a fine skin made by a skinner ( or if you have sufficent skill , make one yourself ) . And the respected skinnners on here like Kol help make that happen. It's perfectly understandable that Brad wants to protect them.
Reply #19 Friday, September 30, 2005 11:39 PM
| I don't think OS skins are rips. They are rips. They have always been rips. The only reason they've been allowed is because it sells Object Desktop for Stardock. But it's not like Microsoft doesn't know about you guys so if they don't care why should anyone else. But they are rips. They are unauthorized ports of a skin. Which is what the definition of a rip is. I think they probably violate someone's tradedress rights and if a company were to ask us to remove them (and ask the other sites to remove them) then we would. The first sentence you say they aren't rips and then right after you admit they are probably copyright violations. I think that's referred to as "talking out of both sides of your mouth". I can't remember the saying but you get the gist of it. |
TSF:
What you say isn't exactly true. While Stardock makes money from doing things like Luna on pre-XP and Vista effects, I think where he's coming from is a bit of motivated self-interest.
What sells WB to me are the skinners. Lets face it, you wouldn't buy WB to plaster your desktop with some lame msstyle port or a really crappy WB, would you? No. You wanna put a fine skin made by a skinner ( or if you have sufficent skill , make one yourself ) . And the respected skinnners on here like Kol help make that happen. It's perfectly understandable that Brad wants to protect them.
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Reply #1 Friday, September 30, 2005 5:50 PM
https://www.wincustomize.com/ViewSkin.aspx?SID=1&SkinID=5311&LibID=1&comments=1