Industry Watchers: Don't Think Microsoft Is Down for the Count

EU action against Microsoft not the end

Sunday, December 26, 2004 by Frogboy | Discussion: Microsoft

Just because Microsoft has said it will comply immediately with a European Court judge's order to follow specified antitrust remedies doesn't mean life will be a bowl of cherries for Microsoft's partners, developers and even its competitors.

Industry watchers said they will be watching exactly how Microsoft makes good on the court-ordered removal of Windows Media Player from its Windows desktop operating system, and its publishing of communications protocols designed to make Windows better communicate with competitors' products. has a full article on the the repricussions of the EU decision to force Microsoft to pull its Media Player from the base OS. Including this quote:

"Forcing Microsoft to unbundled Windows Media Player is a bad decision for consumers," said Brad Wardell, president and CEO of Stardock Corp., a Windows software developer. "The universal availability of a capable media player as part of the OS enables software developers, consumers, and media professionals to make certain assumptions about what they can put into their software, make use of on a website, or distribute on the Internet."

Wardell said it will be crucial to see what kinds of underlying media technologies and files, rather than simply Windows Media Player itself, Microsoft unbundles from Windows.

"There's a lot of 'stuff' that Windows Media Player includes with it that developers routinely make use of to create things like inter-office radio, media streaming, etc. Developers like us put up .WMV files onto our websites as tutorials about our software because we can assume that Windows XP users have Windows Media Player," Wardell said.

Read the whole thing at

Editorial: That isn't to say that I think Microsoft should be able to toss anything they want into the OS. They are a monopoly. However, the courts need to weigh the pros and cons of these things more carefully. Having a basic ability to play music and video as part of the OS is different than throwing in anti-virus or Internet search.

Reply #1 Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:32 PM
Reply #2 Monday, December 27, 2004 7:32 AM

Funny....I read that exerpt as quoting 'Brad Wardell' for its intrinsic relevance to this site, and its potential impact on SD and other 'third party' companies where presumed OS content ie a 'common' media player would be a significant handicap if lost.

Not once was there a hint of "vainglorious, and self-aggrandizing.", but rather a "hey look...I found this issue significant enough to comment on publicly and to re-iterate here within our forum."...

Reply #3 Monday, December 27, 2004 9:48 AM
Reply #4 Monday, December 27, 2004 3:30 PM
Reply #5 Monday, December 27, 2004 3:37 PM
Reply #6 Monday, December 27, 2004 7:34 PM

CygnusXII reference to an 'ombudsman' I guess the closest animal to fit that bill would be me.  I have editorial control over Wincustomize, can edit or remove anything considered inappropriate, AND I am not Stardock, or even remotely 'near' them.  The day to day 'running' of, outside of its actual coding and financing is down to a group of people NONE of whom is connected to Stardock.

Frogboy has the right as a member of this site to post news/articles/comments related to and skinning in particular and 'computing' in general, just as anyone does/can.

The FACT that Frogboy is coincidentally CEO of Stardock is immaterial. 

Re your comments....the article being allegedly  "Self-aggrandizing" can simply be a reality...a causual thing.  Saying something important, or being seen to say something important is not 'self-aggrandizing' in itself.  THAT interpretation belongs to the observer is an interpretive failing.  Example.....I have the prefix 'Admin'. Is this self-aggrandizing or is it a statement of truth/reality?  Those with societal 'issues' will claim it as an ego-trip or 'self aggrandisement', when the reality is it's needed to assist newcomers to indicate who might or might not be good to be 'heeded' 'please desist on personal attacks, etc'.

Moving on to 'intrinsic'....I personally think that a default systems-wide media player SHOULD be intrinsic to the OS ... for the same reason/s that Frogboy, and I bet many others have exactly the same argument that applies to a notepad proggy and an image/fax viewer.

The Windows OS should not be crippled to be nothing more than a Kernal and Explorer.exe shell/GUI or maybe we can leave the latter out as well...afterall, there's Litestep....

Some things are 'needed' in an OPERATING SYSTEM .....yes, it's not called that for no reason....'system' is the salient point.

Anyway...something that always strikes me as cloying....

Think about it in reference to your prior comments......

"I'm not racist, but......"

'But' is an extraordinarily powerful word that requires careful respect....


Reply #7 Monday, December 27, 2004 10:14 PM
Reply #8 Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:56 AM

CygnusXII ....the issue here is with unfair competition, not with the actual bundling of the player.

IF MS were to give equal access to its competitors to enable them to create an equitable Media Player then it [WMP being bundled] would go away as an issue.  However it seems that'd be too intrusive of MS's Intellectual Property so they are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

None of this has anything to do with whether or not the article is appropriate here or not...or "self-aggrandising" or not.  That is entirely within your perception as an issue.

Also....the copy/paste of entire swags of another's article treads the close line of plagiarism rather than a 'quote of relevance', or 'fair use', so it's probably better to keep them 'short'....

Reply #9 Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:06 PM
There ya go my perception of the issue and participation in the issue is over.
Reply #10 Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:14 PM
Cygnusxii you deleted your own replies, making others look like idiots.
Reply #11 Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:46 PM
I got tired of participating and felt like my responses didn't matter.
They never do... So I got rid of them.
Reply #12 Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:01 PM
Sorry, if it seems like a "take my marbles and go home" action. I never feel comfortable around here, especially when it's suicide to critic the all mighty, fearless leaders. I've finally gotten to the point where I feel it is a waste of my time to try and say something. I don't want to cause any more headaches, so I'll be in the corner over there, being quiet and minding my own business.
Reply #13 Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:37 AM

CygnusXII ...this is where people differ.

It doesn't matter diddly-squat that the world fails to agree with long as YOU agree with you.

When holding a public opinion it should be of sufficient belief/worth/confidence that it can stand in perpetuity and that you do so too.

This is not the first time a 'discussion' has gone in a direction not desired by one party or another and the 'injured party' has edited reality as if it in some way helps.

It doesn't help one iota.  It shows poor belief by you in your own stance/position which consequently undermines that stance to both protagonist and casual observer alike.

Now this thread has lost all relevance/continuity which hurts all, equally.

This does serve as a cogent example of why post editing/removal is a two-edged sword whose feature demands revision.

Reply #14 Wednesday, December 29, 2004 1:13 PM
Jafo, you are right and my removing my comments were a mistake.
Actually alot of my moodiness,the last couple of weeks, has been a problem.
As you might recall, my Mother died, this year and this was my first Christmas without her, being around.
I have been on edge alot, and bordering on a depressive state. My wife and Daughter, chose this week to lie to me about something, and I have been in a bad mood, and unfortunately this colored my responses and outlook, about alot of issues and items. I regret removing my comments and also I removed all of my JoeUser Articles. You know how it goes, when ya get pissed. I apologize to any that this might have effected.
Reply #15 Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:54 PM

Cygnus .... I do remember your loss.

It is an unfortunate fact of life that so often [too often] things happen which affect one's sense and sensibilities....and it can often be virtually impossibly NOT to let that happen.

It's difficult to be always seen to be showing constraint and good, common sense with trivialities such as site forums, etc....though for many oblivious to causuality it's seen as 'poor judgement'.

We all can move on, afterall.....and use the experience as educational...

David Fox
Reply #16 Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:54 PM
Hey great article Frogboy! It does not make any difference at all that you are the CEO of Stardock ignore that! I agree with you entirely and I must say I enjoy reading all of your articles. Good job!

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