Should I use NTFS?
Tuesday, August 31, 2004 by Stupendous Man | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I recently bought an 80G drive and one of the things I'm considering is switching to NTFS (which'll be obsolete in about 2 or 3 years when WinFS hits the market). Should I use NTFS or Just stick with Fat32? THanks all! 
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Csurfside
Reply #22 Thursday, September 2, 2004 6:02 AM
Reply #22 Thursday, September 2, 2004 6:02 AM
Is Linux free?
Where could one find it or information about Linux online?
And last. What is the difference between Linux and Unix?
Where could one find it or information about Linux online?
And last. What is the difference between Linux and Unix?
paxx
Reply #23 Thursday, September 2, 2004 6:13 AM
Reply #23 Thursday, September 2, 2004 6:13 AM
Unix is a proprietary Operating System, Linux was developped as an open source similar alternative to Unix and yes you can download for free. There are many flavours of Linux. The most popular ones being Red Hat, Mandrake and Suse. It's a huge download though. You can buy them in a box for a reasonable prie (it's 4 or 5 CD's and includes hundreds of software).
Jafo
Reply #24 Thursday, September 2, 2004 6:37 AM
Reply #24 Thursday, September 2, 2004 6:37 AM
Crae...I've never lost one byte within NTFS.....but fat crosslinked files occur almost anytime you BSOD in win 9x....
bussie
Reply #25 Thursday, September 2, 2004 7:08 AM
Reply #25 Thursday, September 2, 2004 7:08 AM
@creaonics...
If you have had many times dataloss with NTFS, then their is definitely something else very wrong with your system.
I work with WinNT since NT4 and i have never had any dataloss.
If you have had many times dataloss with NTFS, then their is definitely something else very wrong with your system.
I work with WinNT since NT4 and i have never had any dataloss.
craeonics
Reply #26 Thursday, September 2, 2004 7:26 AM
Reply #26 Thursday, September 2, 2004 7:26 AM
It's odd, isn't it. I've never had dataloss with FAT, but it occurs far too often with NTFS. And it's not my drives or anything, as those get regularly checked.
By the way, "far too often" is once every so many weeks. Any dataloss is too often in my book.
By the way, "far too often" is once every so many weeks. Any dataloss is too often in my book.
craeonics
Reply #27 Thursday, September 2, 2004 7:50 AM
Reply #27 Thursday, September 2, 2004 7:50 AM
Actually, the correct term would be data corruption. No files go missing, but a couple of bits get shifted. Something which only seems to occur when moving large (quantities of) files between NTFS partitions on the same drive.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #28 Thursday, September 2, 2004 12:39 PM
Reply #28 Thursday, September 2, 2004 12:39 PM
I use NTFS for my O/S partition and data/data back-up partitions ( 1x47Gb and 3x29Gb). I use FAT32 for my back-up partitions (1x124Gb and 1x210Gb) which have my Drive Image files. That's because I've had problems before restoring from NTFS partitions using Drive Image. It kept telling me I didn't have permission to access the files...
XX
Reply #29 Thursday, September 2, 2004 5:30 PM
That's something definitely wrong with your hard drive. I used NTFS and crashed windows xp few times, none of that caused corruption or cross-linked files.
Reply #29 Thursday, September 2, 2004 5:30 PM
| By the way, "far too often" is once every so many weeks |
That's something definitely wrong with your hard drive. I used NTFS and crashed windows xp few times, none of that caused corruption or cross-linked files.
CygnusXII
Reply #30 Thursday, September 2, 2004 6:12 PM
Reply #30 Thursday, September 2, 2004 6:12 PM
Here it is from the Horses Mouth, so to speak.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/fileio/base/ntfs.asp
MSDN NTFS Link
"Data recoverability. NTFS limits the possibility of data corruption by organizing I/O operations by transactions. Transactions are atomic, which means that either the entire I/O operation must complete or none of it can complete. If anything interrupts the transaction in-progress, such as loss of power to the computer or a cancellation of the I/O operation, NTFS does everything possible to guarantee that any changes made to the file system as part of the I/O operation are undone, or rolled back, returning the file system to its condition before the I/O operation began."
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/fileio/base/ntfs.asp
MSDN NTFS Link
"Data recoverability. NTFS limits the possibility of data corruption by organizing I/O operations by transactions. Transactions are atomic, which means that either the entire I/O operation must complete or none of it can complete. If anything interrupts the transaction in-progress, such as loss of power to the computer or a cancellation of the I/O operation, NTFS does everything possible to guarantee that any changes made to the file system as part of the I/O operation are undone, or rolled back, returning the file system to its condition before the I/O operation began."
Csurfside
Reply #31 Thursday, September 2, 2004 10:45 PM
Reply #31 Thursday, September 2, 2004 10:45 PM
Jafo-
I have a PC I was working on for a freind. It has 3 partitions on it. I tried to reformat and reinstall XP, and I deleted the partitions before I reformated, However it still shows two partitions at boot up.
How to I delete the second partition?
Second Question!
I used to could go to windows update site and download drivers for devices, but now it does'nt detect the devices that I need drivers for like it did before. Did microsoft chane something? I need a sound card driver. Its a built-in sound card.
[Message Edited]
I have a PC I was working on for a freind. It has 3 partitions on it. I tried to reformat and reinstall XP, and I deleted the partitions before I reformated, However it still shows two partitions at boot up.
How to I delete the second partition?
Second Question!
I used to could go to windows update site and download drivers for devices, but now it does'nt detect the devices that I need drivers for like it did before. Did microsoft chane something? I need a sound card driver. Its a built-in sound card.
[Message Edited]
Jafo
Reply #32 Thursday, September 2, 2004 10:59 PM
Reply #32 Thursday, September 2, 2004 10:59 PM
Depends on what format the partitions were/are....NTFS, etc......Best bet is to get a competent Partitioning tool...one that handles all formats.
Win update can tell if you have the drivers already....probably through cookies...have a go at deleting them and see if it 'sees' the need for a new driver DL.
It might be coded into the registry, however...
HG_Eliminator
Reply #33 Thursday, September 2, 2004 11:42 PM
Reply #33 Thursday, September 2, 2004 11:42 PM
to answer the orginal question... i switched from fat32 to ntfs 2 years ago .. ive never looked back... its been more stable to me ..
Csurfside
Reply #34 Friday, September 3, 2004 6:07 AM
Reply #34 Friday, September 3, 2004 6:07 AM
Oh. I fornd the partition problem.
There was three partitions on the drive. the first time I only deleted two thinking that the space would combine with the third when I reformated it. "wrong"
I had to delete all three partitions to completely remove partitions and make for one unpartioned space before I reformated.
Works fine now. And Jafo thanks again for the lite step links. When Im done with my friends PC im going to give it another shot. cross your fingers.
There was three partitions on the drive. the first time I only deleted two thinking that the space would combine with the third when I reformated it. "wrong"
I had to delete all three partitions to completely remove partitions and make for one unpartioned space before I reformated.
Works fine now. And Jafo thanks again for the lite step links. When Im done with my friends PC im going to give it another shot. cross your fingers.
SelfExiled
Reply #35 Saturday, September 4, 2004 2:11 AM
Reply #35 Saturday, September 4, 2004 2:11 AM
I've had programs that say they aren't compatible with the NTFS file system. So, since I like those programs, I opt out of NTFS for now. And, if I ever figure out how to dual boot a WinXP system with 1GB of memory and a Win98 system, then I can't use NTFS anyway. For some reason, I miss Win98. 
Jafo
Reply #36 Saturday, September 4, 2004 2:31 AM
Reply #36 Saturday, September 4, 2004 2:31 AM
Chas...I think there's memory 'limiters' available for running 98 with too much system ram.....have a look through 'Shell City' or try Google....
exodesign
Reply #38 Saturday, September 4, 2004 6:40 PM
Reply #38 Saturday, September 4, 2004 6:40 PM
I had mandrake linux 9.2 installed on a second harddrive and i could read my NTFS xp disk with no problems
SelfExiled
Reply #39 Sunday, September 5, 2004 3:08 AM
Try reading a NTFS disk with Win98.
Reply #39 Sunday, September 5, 2004 3:08 AM
| I had mandrake linux 9.2 installed on a second harddrive and i could read my NTFS xp disk with no problems |
Try reading a NTFS disk with Win98.
Jafo
Reply #40 Sunday, September 5, 2004 8:04 AM
Reply #40 Sunday, September 5, 2004 8:04 AM
Chas....there are Dos proggies that can read NTFS....so Win98 won't be a problem either....[just inconvenient]...
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Reply #21 Thursday, September 2, 2004 3:24 AM