"Paint Shop Pro" or "PhotoShop" I need some Info.
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 by Csurfside | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Ok I want to use Anti-aliasing but only have XP paint. So what is a good cheap paint program that will do the trick for me and smooth my edges. A link would also be nice. I only saw This one paint shop pro was like 600 dollars I need something cheaper. Please comment.
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Csurfside
Reply #22 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:35 PM
Reply #22 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:35 PM
Question? Ok how do I make shading for my designs. Im using PSP 8. I need some shadow effects, this appears to be tough to find, Any tips? 
Man I made a beautiful "close" button.
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Man I made a beautiful "close" button. [Message Edited]
IPlural
Reply #23 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:44 PM
Reply #23 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:44 PM
"drop shadow" or "cast shadow" though cast is most times behind as if on a wall.
Csurfside
Reply #24 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:45 PM
Reply #24 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:45 PM
Please answer my question above and also I have another. I made a button circular in PSP and then I think I made two new layers just for the x Design that would be the "close button" Well I tried to then resize it, But all I can resize is the x not the whole button. ***Thinks to himself this sounds confusing* 
Csurfside
Reply #25 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:48 PM
Is this a choice in PSP if so please write the path.
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Reply #25 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:48 PM
| "drop shadow" or "cast shadow" though cast is most times behind as if on a wall. |
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IPlural
Reply #26 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:52 PM
Reply #26 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:52 PM
I would assume that if you look in the PSP Help, it will not only tell you where it is but how to use it?
Shameless Designs
Reply #28 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 1:12 PM
Reply #28 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 1:12 PM
In PSP8, you will find the drop shadow under the Effects menu. A couple of points, first. You will not be able to apply a shadow on a vector layer. You eill first have to convert the layer to raster. Make sure you have the vector layer Selected. Then under the Layer Menu, Select Convert to Raster...
Once you have a raster layer, for which you want to apply a drop shadow. Then click on the Effects Menu and click on 3D Effects>Drop Shadow. Make any adjustments you wish to make to the shadow and see the effect in the preview pane. then click OK. If you want, there is a small check box in the lower right to create the shadow on a new layer. This is often a good idea, in case you decide to modify the original object later. It will then be easier to modify the shadow as well.
Once you have a raster layer, for which you want to apply a drop shadow. Then click on the Effects Menu and click on 3D Effects>Drop Shadow. Make any adjustments you wish to make to the shadow and see the effect in the preview pane. then click OK. If you want, there is a small check box in the lower right to create the shadow on a new layer. This is often a good idea, in case you decide to modify the original object later. It will then be easier to modify the shadow as well.
Shameless Designs
Reply #29 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 1:17 PM
Reply #29 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 1:17 PM
As for your question about resizing, how are you resizing? If you are using the deformation tool, you will only be able to modify one object/Selection at a time, unless you Group the elements first. If you want to resize the whole thing, use the Resize command from the Image menu. On the dialogue near the bottom, you will find a checkbox to resize all layers. Make sure that box is checked if you wish to resize everything to the same scale.
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SelfExiled
Reply #30 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 1:39 PM
No, I don't use PSP8, I like PSP7. And, I never said that a Raster or Vector Background couldn't be transparent. I guess that PSP8 is using the terms interchangably now. I always thought of Raster and Vector as layers, and backgrounds as opaque. If you open a bmp or jpg file, the image is a background and opaque. You can then convert it to a Raster Layer. It just sounds more correct to me to say that my image has 3 layers, than to say that my image has 3 backgrounds.
Reply #30 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 1:39 PM
| Either you don't use PSP 8, or you don't pay attention. When starting a new image, you choose either a Raster or Vector Background, and either can be Tranaparent |
No, I don't use PSP8, I like PSP7. And, I never said that a Raster or Vector Background couldn't be transparent. I guess that PSP8 is using the terms interchangably now. I always thought of Raster and Vector as layers, and backgrounds as opaque. If you open a bmp or jpg file, the image is a background and opaque. You can then convert it to a Raster Layer. It just sounds more correct to me to say that my image has 3 layers, than to say that my image has 3 backgrounds.
Csurfside
Reply #31 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 2:29 PM
Reply #31 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 2:29 PM
How my God! I am Just swaping my images with the one's in Skinstudio and making some great skins, well parts to skins. This PSP 8 is the best software I ever put om my PC. It's going to be a while till I get some sleep. I can play with this stuff forever. Wait till youu guys see this one design I came up with for the task bar and start panel. It's mind blowing. 
This is to much for words. I mean there is so much PoWeR at your hands. Multiple layers, Imaging enhancement, Shading, the list goes on and on. Ok I gotta go do some more. I just Cant wait to be able to show off my style. I wonder if there is a way to show off a BMP that I made, if anyone even cares.
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This is to much for words. I mean there is so much PoWeR at your hands. Multiple layers, Imaging enhancement, Shading, the list goes on and on. Ok I gotta go do some more. I just Cant wait to be able to show off my style. I wonder if there is a way to show off a BMP that I made, if anyone even cares.[Message Edited]
Shameless Designs
Reply #32 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 4:37 PM
Reply #32 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 4:37 PM
Re: #30
Chas, it doesn't matter whether you're talking PSP7 or PSP8, the background of any PSP image file is the bottom-most layer, and only that layer. In both versions of the program this layer may be transparent, translucent or opaque. Technically, in either version of the program, you may also delete the background, or convert it to a raster layer. I say technically, because this is only a matter of state as far as the software is concerned so that you may change the z-order of the layer (a layer can be moved, a background cannot).
The only difference between the two versions of PSP in this regard is that in PSP8, one may start with a vector background. This is really only a time saving step so that you may begin drawing a vector image on the first layer without having to create a second layer.
As for the rest, not much is changed between the two versions when it comes to saving your work. Depending on the format in which you choose to save your work, layers may still need to be merged, vector layers may still need to be converted to raster, and any transparency or translucency may need to be made opaque if the image format you are saving to does not support those features. The biggest difference between the PSP7 and PSP8 from that standpoint, is that PSP8 now supports more image formats, and has more options for some of the formats in doing the conversion.
I hope this clears up some of the confusion.
Chas, it doesn't matter whether you're talking PSP7 or PSP8, the background of any PSP image file is the bottom-most layer, and only that layer. In both versions of the program this layer may be transparent, translucent or opaque. Technically, in either version of the program, you may also delete the background, or convert it to a raster layer. I say technically, because this is only a matter of state as far as the software is concerned so that you may change the z-order of the layer (a layer can be moved, a background cannot).
The only difference between the two versions of PSP in this regard is that in PSP8, one may start with a vector background. This is really only a time saving step so that you may begin drawing a vector image on the first layer without having to create a second layer.
As for the rest, not much is changed between the two versions when it comes to saving your work. Depending on the format in which you choose to save your work, layers may still need to be merged, vector layers may still need to be converted to raster, and any transparency or translucency may need to be made opaque if the image format you are saving to does not support those features. The biggest difference between the PSP7 and PSP8 from that standpoint, is that PSP8 now supports more image formats, and has more options for some of the formats in doing the conversion.
I hope this clears up some of the confusion.
SelfExiled
Reply #33 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 4:59 PM
Reply #33 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 4:59 PM
Well, I guess I never put much thought into any of the semantics to creating a vector image. I just choose a vector tool and draw it, and the layer is automatically created. 
This is the way I thought of it too. But, with a vector or raster background, the layer can be moved. So, the terminology can be a bit confusing, if you start swapping background terminology and layer terminology.
| a layer can be moved, a background cannot |
This is the way I thought of it too. But, with a vector or raster background, the layer can be moved. So, the terminology can be a bit confusing, if you start swapping background terminology and layer terminology.
Shameless Designs
Reply #34 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 5:06 PM
Reply #34 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 5:06 PM
It's not semantics, Chas. That is the technical difference in PSP between a background and a layer. it doesn't matter whether it is a vector background or a raster background, you can't move it. It can only be moved if it is a layer.
SelfExiled
Reply #35 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 5:12 PM
Reply #35 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 5:12 PM
It is plain silly then. Why have a raster or vector layer that you can't move? The purpose of changing a background to a raster layer is so that it can be moved. I'll stick with PSP7.
joetheblow
Reply #36 Thursday, July 8, 2004 7:14 PM
Reply #36 Thursday, July 8, 2004 7:14 PM
I have Paint shop Pro now!! I am on my way baby!! One year from now you will be calling me the new skinner in town!
IPlural
Reply #37 Friday, July 9, 2004 6:38 AM
Reply #37 Friday, July 9, 2004 6:38 AM
wait, you mean you can not a Vector Shape on any given layer and the bump it up/down or to side of the display pixel by pixelwith the directional keys on the keyboard or your mouse to move it?
Shameless Designs
Reply #38 Friday, July 9, 2004 1:56 PM
Reply #38 Friday, July 9, 2004 1:56 PM
Re: #37
In PSP, any vector object must be on a vector layer. The vector layer can then be moved up or down to any point in the z-order. The vector object within the layer may also be moved anywhere in the x-y plane using the keyboard or the mouse. In PSP7, one can move objects pixel-by-pixel, In PSP8, one can move vector images half-pixel-by-half-pixel.
In PSP, any vector object must be on a vector layer. The vector layer can then be moved up or down to any point in the z-order. The vector object within the layer may also be moved anywhere in the x-y plane using the keyboard or the mouse. In PSP7, one can move objects pixel-by-pixel, In PSP8, one can move vector images half-pixel-by-half-pixel.
Koasati
Reply #39 Friday, July 9, 2004 2:26 PM
Reply #39 Friday, July 9, 2004 2:26 PM
SD... I see the info in the Help files about moving a vector object 1 or 10 pixels using the keyboard, but I can't make it work. The instructions say
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Select the object(s) you want to move.
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Do any of the following:
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Click inside a bounding box and drag the object or objects to a new position.
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To move one pixel at a time, press Shift or Ctrl and press the Up, Down, Left, or Right arrow keys.
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To move 10 pixels at a time, press Ctrl + Shift and press the Up, Down, Left, or Right arrow keys.
4 and 5 do nothing......... what am I missing?
I see nothing about moving a vector object by half-pixel.
SelfExiled
Reply #40 Friday, July 9, 2004 3:16 PM
Reply #40 Friday, July 9, 2004 3:16 PM
If it is a object that you draw then you can do this. You just right click and go into edit mode. Otherwise, the object or also works for resizing vector images and the deformation tool works for vector and raster images as well. (If I'm not mistaken) 
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Reply #21 Wednesday, July 7, 2004 11:04 AM