Ronald Reagan 1911-2004
Saturday, June 5, 2004 by tjesterb | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2004/reagan/index.html
I just read the news on CNN. Link is to a pretty good biography.
I know there is, and was, great variance in how people viewed his policies, but I don't think anyone can deny how he always belived in the greatness of the American Dream and the American people [ no offense intended to any other nationalities present]. The values he upheld are sadly lacking in today's society. I doubt we will see someone of his stature any time soon.
I just read the news on CNN. Link is to a pretty good biography.
I know there is, and was, great variance in how people viewed his policies, but I don't think anyone can deny how he always belived in the greatness of the American Dream and the American people [ no offense intended to any other nationalities present]. The values he upheld are sadly lacking in today's society. I doubt we will see someone of his stature any time soon.
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ToeJo
Reply #22 Monday, June 7, 2004 2:19 AM
Reply #22 Monday, June 7, 2004 2:19 AM
I find it truly interesting that someone with the nick "Satans Child" is impressed with Clinton 
I'm just playing SC...please don't take it personal!
BTW...I'll give Clinton one thing...His presidency was far more entertaining than that of any other President. I don't know which was more ridiculous...Clintons shenanigins or the Republicans spending millions of dollars trying to pin him down for his shenanigins...and failing!
I'm just playing SC...please don't take it personal!
BTW...I'll give Clinton one thing...His presidency was far more entertaining than that of any other President. I don't know which was more ridiculous...Clintons shenanigins or the Republicans spending millions of dollars trying to pin him down for his shenanigins...and failing!
Essencay
Reply #23 Monday, June 7, 2004 3:02 AM
Reply #23 Monday, June 7, 2004 3:02 AM
Someone starts up a nice little remembrance thread about the passing of one of our nation's most loved leaders and as can be expected.....never mind. It's just typical, please let a grieving nation have, at least, this opportunity to remember him.
eieio
Reply #24 Monday, June 7, 2004 7:35 AM
Amen to that.
Rest in Peace, Mr. President
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Reply #24 Monday, June 7, 2004 7:35 AM
| Someone starts up a nice little remembrance thread about the passing of one of our nation''s most loved leaders and as can be expected.....never mind. It''s just typical, please let a grieving nation have, at least, this opportunity to remember him. |
Amen to that.
Rest in Peace, Mr. President
[Message Edited]
Koasati
Reply #25 Monday, June 7, 2004 9:19 AM
Reply #25 Monday, June 7, 2004 9:19 AM
Thank you Essencay...... I was going to say something, but it wasn't going to sound as nice as your statement. It is typical of the faction that gave us "Political Correctness" to show no decorum what so ever.
ToeJo
Reply #26 Monday, June 7, 2004 2:17 PM
Reply #26 Monday, June 7, 2004 2:17 PM
No Hi-Jacking intended...please forgive me...
RIP Mr. President
RIP Mr. President
Matchbook
Reply #27 Monday, June 7, 2004 3:29 PM
Reply #27 Monday, June 7, 2004 3:29 PM
If you liked him, I admire you because it probably means you're still a little idealistic, warm, caring and a compassionate human being. Of the people who didn't [don't] like him, the only thing I see in common with all of the "haters" is an overall pessimistic and bitter/jaded demeanor. I find these people, when candid, tell you that "the government wants us all dead" or "trees are out to get me!" or something similar. Worst yet, many of these haters can't, using facts, reason and logic, back up their statements OR fully answer "why" they dislike[d] him. If they wish to be uber-cynical I say let 'em... I'll cling to the hope that not everyone in power is out to poison our main watersystems 
.. Love him or hate him, I'm Canadian and even *I* miss him... 
.. Love him or hate him, I'm Canadian and even *I* miss him... 
tjesterb
Reply #28 Monday, June 7, 2004 6:46 PM
Reply #28 Monday, June 7, 2004 6:46 PM
https://www.ronaldreaganmemorial.com/condolence_book.asp
If you would like to leave a message for Mrs. Reagan and family.
To all who do/did not think highly of former President Reagan or his style of governing, I had no intention to open a debate on politics. It is a given that such a diverse group as the WC community will hold many divergent and opposing points of view, most especially where politics is involved. I have no desire to sway anyone from their own particular political leanings, nor to argue the good and bad points President Reagan's presidency, for there were certainly both. What we as a nation are mourning is the loss of a great American who embodied so many of the traditional American values that seem to be eroding in wholesale proportions these days, a man who did so with great grace, wit, and charm. We mourn our loss, for we as a nation are poorer for his passing, but we are richer for the vision he gave us for the future of our country and the whole world. No man is without his flaws, and no man lives long that he does not take actions and make decisions that he could have made better. For all his detractors, Mr. Reagan held no grudges and worked to make his enemies into his friends, usually with great success if you recall how many bi-partisan bills he was able to get through congress. It is my opinion that his belief in America and her people, coupled with his winning charm and sense of humor caused us to raise our own vision for ourselves and our nation. Few people leave the kind of legacy as Mr. Reagan and none without some degree of controversy. Sorry for the long post.
If you would like to leave a message for Mrs. Reagan and family.
To all who do/did not think highly of former President Reagan or his style of governing, I had no intention to open a debate on politics. It is a given that such a diverse group as the WC community will hold many divergent and opposing points of view, most especially where politics is involved. I have no desire to sway anyone from their own particular political leanings, nor to argue the good and bad points President Reagan's presidency, for there were certainly both. What we as a nation are mourning is the loss of a great American who embodied so many of the traditional American values that seem to be eroding in wholesale proportions these days, a man who did so with great grace, wit, and charm. We mourn our loss, for we as a nation are poorer for his passing, but we are richer for the vision he gave us for the future of our country and the whole world. No man is without his flaws, and no man lives long that he does not take actions and make decisions that he could have made better. For all his detractors, Mr. Reagan held no grudges and worked to make his enemies into his friends, usually with great success if you recall how many bi-partisan bills he was able to get through congress. It is my opinion that his belief in America and her people, coupled with his winning charm and sense of humor caused us to raise our own vision for ourselves and our nation. Few people leave the kind of legacy as Mr. Reagan and none without some degree of controversy. Sorry for the long post.
IPlural
Reply #31 Monday, June 7, 2004 11:03 PM
Reply #31 Monday, June 7, 2004 11:03 PM
I'll stay mum...
Other than saying, he's dead, wish he had not gone as he did, and wish the family the best in accepting it, assimulating it and the past and discarding all the negative while hanging onto the positive.
Sweet reminders are much nicer than bitter ones.
Other than saying, he's dead, wish he had not gone as he did, and wish the family the best in accepting it, assimulating it and the past and discarding all the negative while hanging onto the positive.
Sweet reminders are much nicer than bitter ones.
BluesStringer
Reply #33 Monday, June 7, 2004 11:18 PM
Reply #33 Monday, June 7, 2004 11:18 PM
Being probably the biggest non-fan of Bill Clinton's to ever live, I hereby pledge that, when he dies, if I'm still alive, I will not call C-SPAN to tell the country how poorly I thought of him. I will not assign sinister intent to every issue I disagreed with him on. If given the chance, I will stand at attention and salute his casket in deference to the former Commander In Chief of the greatest country the world has ever known.
Before Saturday, it never occurred to me to think about how I would, or more to the point, should act upon Bill Clinton's passing. The absolutely detestable rantings on C-SPAN and boards like this one have forced me to think about it though. For that I thank the ranters. I will be prepared with tact and tolerance for that day thanks to you.
RIP Ronald Wilson Reagan, and may Nancy and all his family and those who knew and loved him manage to avoid the vitriolic spewage from people whose priorities drive them to hate rather than attempt to understand. In life he brought out the best in people. In death it seems, he brings out the worst. That is truly a shame.
God Bless America,
BluesStringer
Before Saturday, it never occurred to me to think about how I would, or more to the point, should act upon Bill Clinton's passing. The absolutely detestable rantings on C-SPAN and boards like this one have forced me to think about it though. For that I thank the ranters. I will be prepared with tact and tolerance for that day thanks to you.
RIP Ronald Wilson Reagan, and may Nancy and all his family and those who knew and loved him manage to avoid the vitriolic spewage from people whose priorities drive them to hate rather than attempt to understand. In life he brought out the best in people. In death it seems, he brings out the worst. That is truly a shame.
God Bless America,
BluesStringer
yrag
Reply #34 Monday, June 7, 2004 11:58 PM
Reply #34 Monday, June 7, 2004 11:58 PM
You know BluesStringer, I was trying to figure out what to make of your post...other then the fact that I've seen every President since Truman buried which makes me a hell of a lot older then you...not that that matters. In the final analysis, this is how it works (then and now). You don't like C-Span, turn it off....you don't like this board, don't read it.
It's not rocket science.....try it.
It's not rocket science.....try it.
Koasati
Reply #37 Tuesday, June 8, 2004 8:27 AM
Reply #37 Tuesday, June 8, 2004 8:27 AM
I don't Gary, I think BlueStringer has a valid point, and not sure I understand yours.
No, it works like this........ someone starts a memorial thread, then keep your hatred to yourself, or start your own thread. This is neither the time nor place for such antics, and it only serves to make those on the left look petty, and vicious. The very people that constantly accuse conservatives of lacking compassion, love to show their hypocrisy to the world.
No, it works like this........ someone starts a memorial thread, then keep your hatred to yourself, or start your own thread. This is neither the time nor place for such antics, and it only serves to make those on the left look petty, and vicious. The very people that constantly accuse conservatives of lacking compassion, love to show their hypocrisy to the world.
BluesStringer
Reply #38 Tuesday, June 8, 2004 9:47 AM
Reply #38 Tuesday, June 8, 2004 9:47 AM
Thank you Koasati. Seems to me there are a lot of things or issues which could be lectured about "how it works." Like maybe for instance, Presidents aren't Constitutionally charged with finding the cure for any disease, and none have ever even attempted it that I'm aware of. Yet Reagan is the only President to be constantly criticized for tending to his Constitutional duties rather than address a disease that, at the time, killed way less people up to that point than car accidents kill every year. It's not rocket science to figure out where Mr. Reagan did put his energies. I prefer to recognize what he DID do that was positive and right and leave it to God to sort out whatever he ignored to a moral detriment or did in his lfe that was negative or wrong. That's just not my ballywick.
I'll listen to C-SPAN and read boards like this anytime I like thanyouverymuch yrag. As I said, I've learned something from the haters and ranters, but fortunately, I get much more from the tactful, compassionate, sincere vast majority who manage to put aside their angst long enough to wish the best for a man and his family who led this country through some very rough and trying times. You may indeed be older than me, though I seriously doubt it's by a "hell of a lot." I guess all I'd advise is that you take the advice of your own screen name, which, as I read it, says, "Why rag?"
BluesStringer
I'll listen to C-SPAN and read boards like this anytime I like thanyouverymuch yrag. As I said, I've learned something from the haters and ranters, but fortunately, I get much more from the tactful, compassionate, sincere vast majority who manage to put aside their angst long enough to wish the best for a man and his family who led this country through some very rough and trying times. You may indeed be older than me, though I seriously doubt it's by a "hell of a lot." I guess all I'd advise is that you take the advice of your own screen name, which, as I read it, says, "Why rag?"
BluesStringer
yrag
Reply #39 Tuesday, June 8, 2004 9:58 AM
Reply #39 Tuesday, June 8, 2004 9:58 AM
Well, let's see if I can be clearer.... I agree that the intent of this thread is to show compassion and sympathy in the death of a man, in this case a former President. The first half of BlueStringer's post was a dissertation on his distaste for Clinton. He went on to make it clear that it's OK to piss on the living, but salute the dead. He then went even further to state that we (and evidently C-Span) didn't have a clue how to treat people with respect. Really?? He Does??
I find his analogy absurd and more importantly, having found some of the other posts certainly not belonging on this thread, I personally found his the most offensive. If he wants to talk about the shortcomings of others as he perceives them...then he can start his own thread.
I find his analogy absurd and more importantly, having found some of the other posts certainly not belonging on this thread, I personally found his the most offensive. If he wants to talk about the shortcomings of others as he perceives them...then he can start his own thread.
yrag
Reply #40 Tuesday, June 8, 2004 10:11 AM
Reply #40 Tuesday, June 8, 2004 10:11 AM
BluesStringer - if I had known you were going to continue reading this 'offensive' board, I'd have addressed my answer to Randy to both of you...
To be clear I'm not 'ragging' on you...I just happen to think you're full of shit...K?
To be clear I'm not 'ragging' on you...I just happen to think you're full of shit...K?
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Reply #21 Monday, June 7, 2004 2:07 AM
You may not agree but Clinton was a better Pres. than Reagan could ever be. His personal problems with cigars and all were pretty interesting but at least he was DOING for the country and not for a few powerful people. I guess thats what happens when the pres get alzheimers (spelling) and a woman is left in charge of the country. (I just couldn't resist this little joke,sorry)