An Invitation to The Truth
Saturday, April 10, 2004 by BX | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Hi Folks
How are you. Some-times ago, there used to be a thread ragarding evolution vs creation. this made me to find the real truth based on Scientific Methods. Being a bliever I believed that there is ONE GOD who has created all of us and the whole universe but this site opened a whole universe of new worlds to me.
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How are you. Some-times ago, there used to be a thread ragarding evolution vs creation. this made me to find the real truth based on Scientific Methods. Being a bliever I believed that there is ONE GOD who has created all of us and the whole universe but this site opened a whole universe of new worlds to me.
Hope u ppl will like this site and meterial on the site. ALL BOOKS OF THIS AUTHOR ARE FREE TO DOWNLOAD AND ALL THE MOVIES THERE AS WELL
http://www.harunyahya.com
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paxx
Reply #82 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:03 AM
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Reply #82 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:03 AM
| Doreen: For me I think I hear God in an un audible way (call me crazy I don't care) hehe |
No, I won't call you crazy, I'll just call you Joan of Arc. 
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Doreen
Reply #83 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:44 AM
Reply #83 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:44 AM
Doreen goes visit google land to check out Joan of Arc... (I'm coming back paxxy) hehe
Doreen
Reply #84 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:50 AM
Reply #84 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:50 AM
what in the world! you expect me to read all this? (be back later gater) hehe
paxx
Reply #85 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:00 AM
Reply #85 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:00 AM
I'll save you the trouble. Short version: Joan of Arc was burned for witchcraft because she was hearing voices (God was talking to her).
Doreen
Reply #86 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:00 AM
Reply #86 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:00 AM
paxxy that is some weird stuff... hehe
(and too much too read, tons of links) is there a movie or something I can watch it looks interesting to me hehe!
Doreen hopes no body burns her I hate heat!
(and too much too read, tons of links) is there a movie or something I can watch it looks interesting to me hehe!
Doreen hopes no body burns her I hate heat!
Doreen
Reply #87 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:04 AM
Reply #87 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:04 AM
paxx what is that some kind of Frence Fantasy you guys have going on over there? don't laugh but I really want to see a movie of that...
Doreen
Reply #88 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:51 AM
Reply #88 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:51 AM
nevermind paxxy I found it! passion of Joan of Arc? I'll try to rent it later on tonight if they have it over here by me and check this out better.
Doreen slaps paxxy for getting me curious about this now... hehe! (but she sounds interesting)
Doreen slaps paxxy for getting me curious about this now... hehe! (but she sounds interesting)
paxx
Reply #89 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:16 PM
Reply #89 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:16 PM
OK, a little longer version: Joan of Arc was a French peasant during the 100 year war between France and England. France was doing really bad and the English were winning. The whole country was devastated by the plague and by the war. That's when God chose to appear to young Joan and he told her that she would save France from the evil English. So, Joan beeing a good girl, she decided to go see the king of France and ask him to give her an army. Anyway, to make a long story short, she got her army and defeated the English. Except that she was captured. She was brought before a clergy court and was sentenced for wichcraft, because God doesn't appear to the common people, only to big clergy people.
Something like that, if I recall my history lessons.
By the way, many movies were made. I saw the TV movie "Joan of Arc" with Leelee Sobiesky, and it was really good. I think you can rent it in video stores. But there was yet another version made called "The Messenger" directed by Luc Besson with Mila Jovovich as Joan. I didn't see it, but it can only be good, Luc Besson just can't make bad movies.
Doreen
Reply #90 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:34 PM
Reply #90 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:34 PM
I got caught up in some links and did some quick skims on them and she sounds so interesting but the links to the movies I found were some old boring black/white type stuff that prob would bore me but that link you just ped for "The Messenger" looks pretty appealing, so after I tie up my day I'll go on witch hunt hehe (and try to find that flick and rent it)
Thanks paxxy that looks like it will be a good flick to watch later on tonight can't wait!
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Thanks paxxy that looks like it will be a good flick to watch later on tonight can't wait!
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Koasati
Reply #91 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:39 PM
Reply #91 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:39 PM
/me finds it hard to believe Doreen has never heard of Joan of Arc..... 
Doreen
Reply #92 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:21 PM
Reply #92 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:21 PM
Hi bro 
me too! but I guess I was not where ever they were teaching about her (anyways I'll be checking her out tonight if I get lucky and can rent that messenger flick it looks to be good)
me too! but I guess I was not where ever they were teaching about her (anyways I'll be checking her out tonight if I get lucky and can rent that messenger flick it looks to be good)
MadPyro
Reply #93 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:41 PM
Reply #93 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:41 PM
theres a good simpsons episode on joan of arc... 
DesignCaddy
Reply #94 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:00 PM
Reply #94 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:00 PM
i accidently click on this thread now and then and catch a couple comments. i've been pretty good at keeping my comments to myself. but there is one thing i will say that ties all of you together.. regardless of who you think is god, be it tree rock or spiritual form, be you republica democrat or frog.
"the only thing certain in life is death and taxes" - ben franklin.
on that note.. life is too short and stuff costs too much to wither your life away arguing over things that- lets face it- on NEITHER SIDE OF THE COIN have all the answers.
the best thing anyone can do is believe in themselves, and make themselves be good people not to impress an uncertain imaginary friend, but to make life more pleasent for the physical and real people around you. i don't try to better myself and not hurt people because i want a spot in heaven. i just don't want to be rememberd as an asshole. so.. you don't try to convert me, and i won't bash your beliefs. deal? deal. kudas to all of you for staying civilized on here. have fun and play nice
"the only thing certain in life is death and taxes" - ben franklin.
on that note.. life is too short and stuff costs too much to wither your life away arguing over things that- lets face it- on NEITHER SIDE OF THE COIN have all the answers.
the best thing anyone can do is believe in themselves, and make themselves be good people not to impress an uncertain imaginary friend, but to make life more pleasent for the physical and real people around you. i don't try to better myself and not hurt people because i want a spot in heaven. i just don't want to be rememberd as an asshole. so.. you don't try to convert me, and i won't bash your beliefs. deal? deal.
kudas to all of you for staying civilized on here. have fun and play nice
IPlural
Reply #95 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:19 PM
Reply #95 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:19 PM
Joan was a pesant girl who had the bad habit of pissing the Brit's off by leading the failing French Army to a win dressed like a man. Oh and she spoke to God and men being men, they didn't like that idea so the French King gave her over to the Vrit's as a means of payment whie sueing for peace and the Brit's killed her for not admitting she lied about the speaking to god and was wrong to dress as a man...
IPlural
Reply #96 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:34 PM
Reply #96 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:34 PM
hmmm, got me to wondering...
was it a because a bunch of men who wore skirts were pissed that a woman assumed it was ok to wear pants. a bunch of men who spoke to god were pissed at a woman who preseumed for it to be ok for her to speak to god without them playing middle man, or a bunch of men wearing skirts who spoke to god that were so pissed they had to kill a women stupid enough to preseume it would be ok to wear pants and let others know she spoke to god that got her killed?
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was it a because a bunch of men who wore skirts were pissed that a woman assumed it was ok to wear pants. a bunch of men who spoke to god were pissed at a woman who preseumed for it to be ok for her to speak to god without them playing middle man, or a bunch of men wearing skirts who spoke to god that were so pissed they had to kill a women stupid enough to preseume it would be ok to wear pants and let others know she spoke to god that got her killed?
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HG_Eliminator
Reply #97 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:31 PM
Reply #97 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:31 PM
to believe, or not to believe. that is the Question .. il put it as simply as i can. how many of you have layed eyes on pluto the planet? i mean actually seen it? touched it? so for those who have never seen it or touched it, then it must not exhist?
its funny that in a world that goes by word of mouth. news papers/TV constantly report news we never see, but we place faith in those who are reporting it .
how many of ya actually fly to those various places to check the story ? or do you just believe what you are told through a little box by a stranger ? get my point ?
i place more faith in those stories of old, than i do most peoples facts of today......back then it was simple you either told the truth or told a lie (if you were caught lying you were usually stoned to death ) {they had little tollerance for liars then }... today most have mastered the art of LEGAL truth, (truth which can be bent or altered as needed )....
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its funny that in a world that goes by word of mouth. news papers/TV constantly report news we never see, but we place faith in those who are reporting it .
how many of ya actually fly to those various places to check the story ? or do you just believe what you are told through a little box by a stranger ? get my point ?
i place more faith in those stories of old, than i do most peoples facts of today......back then it was simple you either told the truth or told a lie (if you were caught lying you were usually stoned to death ) {they had little tollerance for liars then }... today most have mastered the art of LEGAL truth, (truth which can be bent or altered as needed )....
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Sput
Reply #99 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:07 PM
Reply #99 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:07 PM
HG_Eliminator - I'm afraid I'm one who tends not to believe anything unless I can weigh the evidence for myself. In the case of Pluto, that evidence is based on having used a telescope myself, understaning the principals and the physics of how light behaves in such systems through directly testing it myself, and hence established the principal (to my own satisfaction) that planets exist, that gravity works in a way consistent enough with Newtons ideas as to be a reasonable estimate, and checking the credentials of those people telling me that thier bigger better telescopes reveal things I can't see myself, and then checking for myself that the theories they then build are self consistent and don't contradict anything I've established from my own experiences to be probably true. It also includes comparing the evidence from many independant sources, and checking the declared methods used to gather that evidence.
The key part in that though is that where I have to rely on things I can't test directly myself (in a reproducibly way), that the results are consistent with things I have been able to verify, and that the logic is sound and introduces as few assumptions as possible.
So do I "beleive" that Pluto exists? GIven the balance of the evidence, it would seem a reasonable premis to accept for now.
You might prefer a more down to earth example. Someone once told me that they can reconcile their belief in god with practicing science because science asks us to just accept that things exist that we can't see as well (similar to your point). They used the example of electricity to make their point as something we can't see, but that science asks us to accept exists....However, there is a fundamental difference between electricity and god. Each time I flick a light switch, the light comes on (give or take the odd power cut). Therefore there is a phenomenon to be explained which can be examined, postulated on and the resulting theory tested against reality. Using the analogy for a belief in god on the other hand relies on someone else telling you that 1000's of years ago, someone once switched on a light switch and the light came on, but no one has done it again since, and we can't find the switch, the light or any evidence that the person that supposedly did it ever existed for certain...and at the same time, you have other people claiming that THEY know the one and only person who was able to flick a switch and make light, and everyone else is lying...and some people are even saying that lots of people used to flick switches all the time....and some people claim that we could flick a switch if only we close our eyes and empty our mind enough to let the switch just happen....and despite all those people claiming all those things, there's still no solid evidence that anyones particular story is actually any more than that - a story.
In a way, I'm envious of people who can blindly beleive in things without needing evidence, but it's not for me. I'm cursed with needing good evidence and a logical theoretical explanation otherwise how would anyone know which random story to believe? I'd be worried I'd end up beleieving the wrong one and possibly being made to look a right mug if one of the others turned out to be true...
Ultimately though, all we KNOW is "I think therefore I am", and everything else relies of trusting that there is some sort of reality "out there" which follows some sort of rules which we can hope to fathom out. It could be that everything we think we experience is a delusion - it could even be some sort of Matrix like virtual reality....but if we ignore the apparent logic and rules which we can observe in favour of picking any ol' idea that drifts by, then surely that's only a step away from madness?
The key part in that though is that where I have to rely on things I can't test directly myself (in a reproducibly way), that the results are consistent with things I have been able to verify, and that the logic is sound and introduces as few assumptions as possible.
So do I "beleive" that Pluto exists? GIven the balance of the evidence, it would seem a reasonable premis to accept for now.
You might prefer a more down to earth example. Someone once told me that they can reconcile their belief in god with practicing science because science asks us to just accept that things exist that we can't see as well (similar to your point). They used the example of electricity to make their point as something we can't see, but that science asks us to accept exists....However, there is a fundamental difference between electricity and god. Each time I flick a light switch, the light comes on (give or take the odd power cut). Therefore there is a phenomenon to be explained which can be examined, postulated on and the resulting theory tested against reality. Using the analogy for a belief in god on the other hand relies on someone else telling you that 1000's of years ago, someone once switched on a light switch and the light came on, but no one has done it again since, and we can't find the switch, the light or any evidence that the person that supposedly did it ever existed for certain...and at the same time, you have other people claiming that THEY know the one and only person who was able to flick a switch and make light, and everyone else is lying...and some people are even saying that lots of people used to flick switches all the time....and some people claim that we could flick a switch if only we close our eyes and empty our mind enough to let the switch just happen....and despite all those people claiming all those things, there's still no solid evidence that anyones particular story is actually any more than that - a story.
In a way, I'm envious of people who can blindly beleive in things without needing evidence, but it's not for me. I'm cursed with needing good evidence and a logical theoretical explanation otherwise how would anyone know which random story to believe? I'd be worried I'd end up beleieving the wrong one and possibly being made to look a right mug if one of the others turned out to be true...
Ultimately though, all we KNOW is "I think therefore I am", and everything else relies of trusting that there is some sort of reality "out there" which follows some sort of rules which we can hope to fathom out. It could be that everything we think we experience is a delusion - it could even be some sort of Matrix like virtual reality....but if we ignore the apparent logic and rules which we can observe in favour of picking any ol' idea that drifts by, then surely that's only a step away from madness?
Sugaree
Reply #100 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:15 PM
Reply #100 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:15 PM
Dor, There is NO WAY you don't know the story of Joan! 
Anyways a good movie to see is "THE MESSENGER: THE STORY OF JOAN OF ARC"
Oooo and it has Milla 
Anyways a good movie to see is "THE MESSENGER: THE STORY OF JOAN OF ARC"
Oooo and it has Milla
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Reply #81 Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:33 PM
not likely