Why do YOU hate the Windows Logo?
Saturday, March 27, 2004 by wstaylor | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I get a LOT of comments about the Windows Logo... What is the REAL problem? Please, don't turn this thread into a wstaylor-bashing post ( I get plenty of that in my comments )... I just want to know... What about the people that enjoy the Windows Flag? Where does this anger come from??? This is not a question about art or creativity... Just, why the Windows Logo? 
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Sput
Reply #3 Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:13 PM
Reply #3 Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:13 PM
I don't hate it, but as it's a trademark, I would question other people using it without authorisation from the owners - but, it seems to have become "acceptable" in the same way that Andy Warhol used (and abused) the Campbell's soup tin.
I could hazard a guess though as to why some people do hate it - it's come to symbolise something which has been demonised in many peoples psyche, namely Microsoft. This is in the same way that millions (billions?) of people around the world dislike (and hence often burn etc) the American flag.
Now, this is independant of /why/ people dislike MS (or the USA for that matter), it's just how people work...we hit out at symbols of things we don't like, especially when we feel poweless to hit out against the things themselves.
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I could hazard a guess though as to why some people do hate it - it's come to symbolise something which has been demonised in many peoples psyche, namely Microsoft. This is in the same way that millions (billions?) of people around the world dislike (and hence often burn etc) the American flag.
Now, this is independant of /why/ people dislike MS (or the USA for that matter), it's just how people work...we hit out at symbols of things we don't like, especially when we feel poweless to hit out against the things themselves.
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Koasati
Reply #4 Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:14 PM
Reply #4 Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:14 PM
I'm totally burnt out with it........... seen it on too many walls...... over and, over, and over, and.............. and I've grown ambivalent towards it. I neither like it or dislike, I just try to ignore it. 
MGiff
Reply #5 Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:17 PM
Reply #5 Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:17 PM
I happen to like it, Microsoft too, it's nice to see a "nobody" get such an astronomical idea and run with it. But no, I don't want it on my desktop!
CerebroJD
Reply #7 Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:18 PM
Reply #7 Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:18 PM
The whole point of customization for me is to escape Luna-land, and the icon just brings back bad memories.
wstaylor
Reply #9 Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:47 PM
Reply #9 Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:47 PM
good points... but what about the people that like the Logo and want it on their desktop??? Why be so hostile against anyone that designs around it??? Why not point out the good MS walls from the bad ones... It seems anything with any MS Logo on it is fair game for open-season...
WOM
Reply #10 Saturday, March 27, 2004 10:02 PM
Reply #10 Saturday, March 27, 2004 10:02 PM
I guess I don't have to reanswer that question here also. Did it on another thread. 
paxx
Reply #11 Saturday, March 27, 2004 10:03 PM
Reply #11 Saturday, March 27, 2004 10:03 PM
I think that both the Windows logo and the Apple logo have been already been done in every possible shape, form and color on many wallpapers. There are already plenty to choose from for people who like it.
But beyond that, I personally dislike the use of ANY logo in any wallpaper. I consider it a lack of taste and a lack of originality. My opinion.
Apocalypse_67
Reply #12 Saturday, March 27, 2004 10:59 PM
Reply #12 Saturday, March 27, 2004 10:59 PM
As some have stated. It's not really an issue of 'hating' the logo but the over use of it.
It's like having soup everyday, eventually, you'll get bored of it.
It's like having soup everyday, eventually, you'll get bored of it.
Sput
Reply #13 Saturday, March 27, 2004 11:07 PM
...see my previous comments. People feel hostile to what the symbol represents, they can't hit at what they really dislike so they hit out at the symbol. It doesn't matter in that case that other people might like it etc, just that they don't, so they say so loudly to get some of their dislike for what it represents off their chest. It's human nature. If you choose to use a symbol that can invoke strong feelings in some people then you'll get comments from some of them.
To maybe make it clear, (and I'm not saying the Windows logo is in any way related or equivellent, just using a more extreem example to make a point), imagine if you used a swastika on a wallpaper, or a burning cross...there are some people who would /like/ such wallpaper (not I!), but you wouldn't be surprised when people shouted about it.
It's simple:
Symbol => -ve connotations in some people => -ve comments
It's how people work...if you don't like it, I don't see much you can do about it I'm afraid.
Reply #13 Saturday, March 27, 2004 11:07 PM
| Why be so hostile against anyone that designs around it??? |
...see my previous comments. People feel hostile to what the symbol represents, they can't hit at what they really dislike so they hit out at the symbol. It doesn't matter in that case that other people might like it etc, just that they don't, so they say so loudly to get some of their dislike for what it represents off their chest. It's human nature. If you choose to use a symbol that can invoke strong feelings in some people then you'll get comments from some of them.
To maybe make it clear, (and I'm not saying the Windows logo is in any way related or equivellent, just using a more extreem example to make a point), imagine if you used a swastika on a wallpaper, or a burning cross...there are some people who would /like/ such wallpaper (not I!), but you wouldn't be surprised when people shouted about it.
It's simple:
Symbol => -ve connotations in some people => -ve comments
It's how people work...if you don't like it, I don't see much you can do about it I'm afraid.
wstaylor
Reply #15 Sunday, March 28, 2004 1:04 AM
Reply #15 Sunday, March 28, 2004 1:04 AM
What exactly are we customizing here? Windows... hhmmmmmm
bordfryr
Reply #16 Sunday, March 28, 2004 1:30 AM
Reply #16 Sunday, March 28, 2004 1:30 AM
I don't mind the logos so much as that UGLY green start button on XP. That's why I use WindowBlinds, etc. 
Apocalypse_67
Reply #17 Sunday, March 28, 2004 1:37 AM
Reply #17 Sunday, March 28, 2004 1:37 AM
We are customizing the Operating System. Which means we take what is there and turn it into something else. Wallpapers (as much as I enjoy making them) doesnt really customize anything other than having a background on the desktop as oppose to a solid color.
Windows is a system not a logo or symbol.
Windows is a system not a logo or symbol.
WebGizmos
Reply #18 Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:28 AM
Reply #18 Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:28 AM
The bottom line...if you want to make the windows logo...knock yourself out... just don't get bent all out of shape because nobody...or I should say...not everybody wants it on there desktop. I have nothing against logo's or symbols, I just don't want to look at them when the skinners here bust their humps to give us great looking skins to hide the logo's and symbols up. In fact, the first thing I did when I got my PC was to rid it of all the desktop logo's they were kind enough to load on my PC. The next thing I did was buy Object Desktop, a WinCustomize subscription, and CursorXP Plus to finish the job. I'm just not into symbols...I leave that to the symbol minded. No offense. 
Styl-X Design
Reply #19 Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:56 AM
Reply #19 Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:56 AM
I like the logo. Its a good design, good colors, very well known and simple. You can scale it down and still recognise it. I wouldn't mind having it on my desktop. However, you see alot of 'bad' walls being uploaded and getting trough moderation just because they have the logo on it.
wstaylor
Reply #20 Sunday, March 28, 2004 10:57 AM
Reply #20 Sunday, March 28, 2004 10:57 AM
I thought that winCustomize only allowed skinz with the highest standards to be admitted into the site??? Instead of looking down on the walls (or anything else) with the logo on it, why can't we understand that it must be one or some of the better windows walls available... Obviously some skinz with windows logos make it past moderation... You cant see that they have to be fairly good in design to be able to get through? Or do you think that they just randomly pick Windows walls and let them slip through the cracks?
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Reply #1 Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:03 PM
i'm just sick of seeing it on every 3 wall papers that get uploaded.