Comments about the Windows customization poll

Wednesday, March 17, 2004 by paxx | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

It's nice to have a poll, but I find it better to hear people voice their comments about their answer.

Here are my comments, you are all welcome to voice yours in this thread.

Personnaly, given the way the question was written, I had no choice but vote for #1. Windows customization is indeed getting more popular, there is no denying it.  But I could have just as well have answered #3 if originality and quality was concerned.  It is my opinion that the days are long gone where skinners were trying to be original, come up with new imaginative ways to have things look and feel. I guess, that's what happens when skinning gets a bit more mainstream (although it's still not really completely so either - read last paragraph): skins become more conservative. Oh, there are still lots of very nice looking skins, but very few daring ones. 

Also, while I do agree that more and more people are getting into customization, I'd like to mention that it's still a small niche. I think it's still a very long way before skinning (or customization) come to the masses - if it ever does.  Don't forget that most computer users don't even know how to change their friggen resolution, let alone start applying different skins! 

My two cents. Here, your turn now.

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Sput
Reply #41 Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:57 PM
to avoid having to deal with a lot of the customising that people do manage to do


Oh...this is why I voted that customizing in on the increase still as I see other people's desktops on a daily basis and when we deployed NT lots of them discovered Webshots, and since having XP, a lot of them have found out about themes and things....sometimes they come up with (IMHO) AWFUL combinations of fonts/colours/sizes, even if they've still got the standard Windows "skin"...sometimes it's simple things like moving the task bar to vertical, or switching to the "classic" view, but very few have the vanilla XP look and feel these days.
Jafo
Reply #42 Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:57 PM

I used to do this just with desktop wallpaper back on Windows 3.1

Ah...and I was doing it with Calmira.....a shell that could turn 3.1 into 95 and beyond......again 'stronger' skinning, as it were...

Sput
Reply #43 Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:07 PM
jafo - I switched to using 95 back in early 94 so I didn't need to skin 3.1 to look like it at that stage
HG_Eliminator
Reply #44 Friday, March 19, 2004 4:17 AM
as an old fart to skinning/ themeing/or whatever ya want to call it , i have watched the birth and demise of many sites like skinz.org,razorart,doodle vision etc. and on most of these sites. the question of conforming to a standard has been argued both for and against it. the debate of utility verses creativity will not end here ... its an never ending debate...

IMHO i prefer the odd and unique free form skins.. but thats just me...all i think jafo is trying to do is spur the "Outside the norm" creativity in you guys....ask your selves "when was the last time i made a skin that was just fun?" some little weird skin that looked cool to you, but prolly wouldnt be a big hit.....

look at some of the most popular skins for winamp alone... they are the weird odd shaped ones ....(examples) invicta,octave,t3-amp, to name a few,,, some times thinking outside the norm is actually the most popular thinking


as long as you are having fun making the skins, cause you like to, then thats all that counts......

but yes i have noticed there are those who are more interested in #'s than having a good time making skins. *** i will not mention any self involved ego fluffing posts of late ***


this is just my 2 cents ,,,,,



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joetheblow
Reply #45 Friday, March 19, 2004 9:09 PM
If a compact start menu is a good idea, then why does anyone need to see the text on the left either?


I guess I better not do that then... I thought of that a while ago. You can tell, much like the right side of the panel, what they are and what they do.

I didn't try to do it yet in SkinStudio but I actually thought it wasn't possible.



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paxx
Reply #46 Friday, March 19, 2004 9:20 PM

If a compact start menu is a good idea, then why does anyone need to see the text on the left either?

Well, because the left pane is customizable, unlike the right pane. I for one have sortcuts to my mostly used folders in my start menu left pane. And since all folders look alike, it's convenient to be able to tell tem apart.  But I still applaude the novel idea. Maybe youo can try to submit it again, and specify this time that it was done on purpose.

Sput
Reply #47 Friday, March 19, 2004 9:26 PM
paxx - good point...though, if you wanted to do that and not have the text you could assign shortcuts with different icons to each folder. Bit of a pain though I agree if you don't want the hassle...I had made the concession that the roll over text was white on blue though so it was sort of useable even with the same icons.

I guess a sub theme with the option would be the best option.

joetheblow - I didn't manage to get rid of the space the text takes up which is what I tried for a while to do, just hide the text as white on white...

Anyhow. The skin has been accepted to tkae part in the GUIO now (without white on white), but anyone can add that back easily enough with skin studio if they choose
joetheblow
Reply #48 Friday, March 19, 2004 9:36 PM
OH, my XP panel is set to most recently used programs. Actually, i didn't know I could change the folder location for that panel.

Good to know.



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joetheblow
Reply #49 Friday, March 19, 2004 9:37 PM
.... ok now how do you do that....



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paxx
Reply #50 Friday, March 19, 2004 10:13 PM

What do you mean by "change the folder location"?
What I did is create shortcuts to folders at the top of the Start menu's left panel. Just drag any folder where you want it, towards the top of the left panel (above the recently used programs), and it will create a shortcut. Nothing fancy.

joetheblow
Reply #51 Friday, March 19, 2004 10:33 PM
oh, ok.

Thanks!


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WebGizmos
Reply #52 Monday, March 22, 2004 6:08 PM
My 2 cents...one observsation I made since becoming a subscriber at WinCustomize, is that many of the wallpapers leave much to be desired. Most of them seem to have the same theme to them, for lack of a better description, nothing but scribbles in different colors with different names, to busy and gaudy to use on a desktop. It almost seems as though one person did them all, not much originality to them. JMO



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Jafo
Reply #53 Monday, March 22, 2004 6:13 PM
webgizmos....this thread is about skinning and its development, not actually about walls at all...

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