Title Petition - WinCustomize Subscribers
Saturday, February 21, 2004 by Essencay | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
| We the undersigned hereby respectfully petition the administration of WinCustomize to adopt a separate set of titles for WinCustomize Subscribers (level 4) in recognition to their financial contribution to this site. Though they may not have the skills, talent or knowledge necessary to contribute to the skinning community or this site in other fashions, such things as brand new servers, which will benefit the community as a whole, would not have been possible without their support. The time is now to distinguish these residents from the mass of non-paying Wincustomize registered users (level 2) and residents who have only purchased Stardock products (level 3). |
Signed Essencay (Stephen Kelley)
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CerebroJD
Reply #23 Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:14 PM
Reply #23 Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:14 PM
This icon thinger: Where would we put it? I think it would seem out of place by the name. What it we put it in the bottom RIGHT of the message box, instead of in the bottom LEFT like the quote button etc is. That would put if off where it would be noticed, but not quite like where the SkinBrowser button is. 
The DJ
Reply #24 Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:23 PM
I like this idea better than a separate title. Maybe the Wincustomize Chameleon before or after the username.
Reply #24 Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:23 PM
| #16 by Citizen Hy_Rolr - 2/21/2004 2:24:59 PM I agreeAnd also offer up another possible alternative instead of a title.Maybe just a small graphic to one side or the other of their "nick" |
I like this idea better than a separate title. Maybe the Wincustomize Chameleon before or after the username.
CerebroJD
Reply #25 Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:24 PM
I thought about that too. But I dont think it should be by the username. We dont put the SkinBrowser icons with the name, so I dont think we should put the substriber icons with it either.
Reply #25 Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:24 PM
| Wincustomize Chameleon |
I thought about that too. But I dont think it should be by the username. We dont put the SkinBrowser icons with the name, so I dont think we should put the substriber icons with it either.
Essencay
Reply #26 Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:27 PM
Reply #26 Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:27 PM
Just a simple title, that's all that is really needed. Something that when you click on a person's profile will show other than citizen, subscriber is a good idea.
Jafo
Reply #27 Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:36 PM
Reply #27 Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:36 PM
Perhaps 'plain registration' gets you 'Citizen' and subscribing defaults that to 'Subscriber', a naming option available at all levels from then on....eg. an Apprentice level person could also call himself 'Subscriber' [assuming he has, of course]...
yrag
Reply #29 Saturday, February 21, 2004 6:10 PM
Reply #29 Saturday, February 21, 2004 6:10 PM
Personally, I'm less demanding of recognition then you guys.....I just want the title of 'Pope' 
sig101
Reply #31 Saturday, February 21, 2004 6:42 PM
Reply #31 Saturday, February 21, 2004 6:42 PM
You may have already, given your decision to use such language on this site. (Not that never heard it before or used such language myself, but given the site rules certainly not kosher here.)
Ah, edited to add that the comment I responded to miraculously evaporated rather quickly. Apparently a mod/Admin provided another response to the poster's remark.
[Message Edited]
Ah, edited to add that the comment I responded to miraculously evaporated rather quickly. Apparently a mod/Admin provided another response to the poster's remark.
[Message Edited]
mrtee
Reply #32 Saturday, February 21, 2004 9:56 PM
Reply #32 Saturday, February 21, 2004 9:56 PM
Maybe we should be called supporters?
If you can't be a skinner at least be a supporter.
Like the line in the movie "If you can't be an athelete at least be an atheletic ..........."
If you can't be a skinner at least be a supporter.
Like the line in the movie "If you can't be an athelete at least be an atheletic ..........."
Chef Garry
Reply #33 Saturday, February 21, 2004 10:15 PM
Reply #33 Saturday, February 21, 2004 10:15 PM
I like the icon idea. As far as titles go, I'm good either way. After all, when you're Chef all other titles pale anyway.
Shameless Designs
Reply #34 Sunday, February 22, 2004 2:46 AM
Reply #34 Sunday, February 22, 2004 2:46 AM
I have been hesitant to post on this thread for fear my comments might be misconstrued, but I have finally decided I need to get this off my chest and risk the potential fallout. Having become somewhat familiar with Essencay through this messageboard, I would like to believe he did not intend to be disparaging of Stardock customers in the resolution of his petition. Nevertheless, this last line of the resolution disturbs me:
"The time is now to distinguish these residents from the mass of non-paying Wincustomize registered users (level 2) and residents who have only purchased Stardock products (level 3)." [Emphasis mine.]
Stephen, I'm sorry to single you out, but it appears you authored the resolution. I would have let this pass completely except that recently I have seen some comments reflecting a similarly superior attitude toward those who are only Stardock customers and not (yet?) subscribers to WC.
My understanding is that a major source of funding for this site is a grant from Stardock. Forgive me for assuming, if I am wrong, but I believe it could be reasonably argued that those funds by extension come from people who "have only purchased Stardock products." I am an Object Desktop subscriber, for which I paid $49.95, and I will pay another $34.95 to renew my subscription during the same period of time in which someone who uses only Stardock freeware and subscribes to WC will pay only $19.95.
Let me say now that I love the Stardock products, I love WinCustomize, and I avidly promote both to anyone who is willing to listen, as well as to a few relatives who are sick of hearing about it. I also have been trying to contribute here by answering help questions, and will soon be posting my skins which hopefully people will appreciate. And I know for a fact that there are other Stardock customers 'only' who do as much or more than I do here.
I am not debating the value of a WC subscription, nor am I ungrateful to those who have contributed directly to the financial support of this site. The only reason I haven't purchased a subscription, yet, is that my fiancee tipped me off that my soon-to-be step-children want to give a subscription to me for my birthday in May. (At ages 10 and 8 they have to save for a bit to come up with the money. )
But I also know that for a number of people, students, for example, coming up with that extra $19.95 is a luxury on top of purchasing a Stardock product, a luxury that they may have to wait on for a while. Regardless of their reason for not yet purchasing a WC subscription, I don't think it is very conducive to recruitment to refer to us in a condescending manner.
I apologize for the lengthy post, but I was unable to edit it any further and be sure I said all I felt necessary.
[Message Edited]
"The time is now to distinguish these residents from the mass of non-paying Wincustomize registered users (level 2) and residents who have only purchased Stardock products (level 3)." [Emphasis mine.]
Stephen, I'm sorry to single you out, but it appears you authored the resolution. I would have let this pass completely except that recently I have seen some comments reflecting a similarly superior attitude toward those who are only Stardock customers and not (yet?) subscribers to WC.
My understanding is that a major source of funding for this site is a grant from Stardock. Forgive me for assuming, if I am wrong, but I believe it could be reasonably argued that those funds by extension come from people who "have only purchased Stardock products." I am an Object Desktop subscriber, for which I paid $49.95, and I will pay another $34.95 to renew my subscription during the same period of time in which someone who uses only Stardock freeware and subscribes to WC will pay only $19.95.
Let me say now that I love the Stardock products, I love WinCustomize, and I avidly promote both to anyone who is willing to listen, as well as to a few relatives who are sick of hearing about it. I also have been trying to contribute here by answering help questions, and will soon be posting my skins which hopefully people will appreciate. And I know for a fact that there are other Stardock customers 'only' who do as much or more than I do here.
I am not debating the value of a WC subscription, nor am I ungrateful to those who have contributed directly to the financial support of this site. The only reason I haven't purchased a subscription, yet, is that my fiancee tipped me off that my soon-to-be step-children want to give a subscription to me for my birthday in May. (At ages 10 and 8 they have to save for a bit to come up with the money.
)But I also know that for a number of people, students, for example, coming up with that extra $19.95 is a luxury on top of purchasing a Stardock product, a luxury that they may have to wait on for a while. Regardless of their reason for not yet purchasing a WC subscription, I don't think it is very conducive to recruitment to refer to us in a condescending manner.
I apologize for the lengthy post, but I was unable to edit it any further and be sure I said all I felt necessary.
[Message Edited]
Essencay
Reply #35 Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:48 AM
Reply #35 Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:48 AM
Shameless Designs - No offense taken and I agree with what you have said. Yeah when I go back and read the last line again myself I can see your point. That effect was purily unintentional. I was looking more for words that were a rallying call to gain support for an idea to say thanks to people who help support WC in a financial way. There are alternatives available to folks to reach (level 4) other than shelling out money and when folks are promoted to this level, through other contributions to WC, they receive a title change, a recognition in the community. Nevertheless, To all community members please accept my apology for coming across as condescending and not giving value to what each and every person here contributes to the community.
Jafo
Reply #36 Sunday, February 22, 2004 6:55 AM
Reply #36 Sunday, February 22, 2004 6:55 AM
Shameless....Essencay....note the reticence in #1.....my concern was for the fairness of not being elitist or discriminatory while at the same time acknowledging a person's contribution/s to the site.
By 'praising' one form of contribution are we really degrading another?.
Actually, the idea of distinguishing by 'degrees' of monetary contribution that someone proposed is pretty horrid....next it'll be means-tested or indexed to GDP.....
I tend to think that someone who 'subscribes' to the site is doing so to support the site directly, whereas a Stardock product purchaser is achieving the same by a less direct approach as a by-product of the Proggy purchase/s.
Perhaps the salient point is that these Subscribers may also be Stardock Customers as well so are perhaps 'more' noteworthy for contributing both directly AND indirectly.
Anyway...as long as it's a title that is optional it need not be poked into people's faces as a discriminating tool...
WOM
Reply #37 Sunday, February 22, 2004 8:41 AM
Reply #37 Sunday, February 22, 2004 8:41 AM
From my understanding the only way to reach level 4 is to subscribe.Pruching Stardock products only gets you level 3. I agree with most of what Jafo said (in both his posts), I don't need a special icon for being a contributer. If there's one fine, if not thats also fine.
helenangel
Reply #38 Sunday, February 22, 2004 8:59 AM
Reply #38 Sunday, February 22, 2004 8:59 AM
ok...since i happen to be a subscriber,i'd personally love to have a kind of title...when i first signed here and found the title of citizen in front of helenangel i thought it was a little queer and i sent it away... i have to say i felt a kind of inferior in front of the author's and other titles of the community.So ,i agree with Stephen as long as the title is something that will come out of the free will and mood of all of us..Let us vote ...
MarkMcQ
Reply #39 Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:41 AM
Reply #39 Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:41 AM
I still go by my original post.
I think a title saying 'subscriber' would do the job. No need for an icon.
It's not as though subscribers need this so they're getting their money's worth. They already have access to the quick servers, plus all the subscriber suites that get released.
I think a title saying 'subscriber' would do the job. No need for an icon.
It's not as though subscribers need this so they're getting their money's worth. They already have access to the quick servers, plus all the subscriber suites that get released.
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Reply #21 Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:02 PM