Yrag.....IPlural...... Anyone!!! I need computer help
Sunday, February 15, 2004 by BoXXi | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
HI Guys...... here's the story..... I just got my spare computer back from a friends house....I loaned it to him for a while.... It's apparently been working o.k., but when I got it home this is what happened: connected everything up ....no problems.... but when I turn it on, there is a little bit of disk activity, but then nothing....the monitor doesn't even come out of standby and NOTHING appears on the screen. Anybody have any idea why it isn't even attempting to boot? its a PII 233Mhz with 320mb ram matrox video card and a 3.2GB hard drive.
If any one has any ideas I would be grateful......Thank you. 
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IPlural
Reply #102 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:37 AM
Most boards now have this type of feature, saves on cooked cpu's and disgruntled customers.
The CPU could be cooked, though, I am still wondering when exactly was the last time Bryan can verify the sysem was up and running?
Right before packing it up to bring home?
Or, was it all packed up when he got there ready to go?
Not to finger point or anything like that, but because if Bryan packed it up and actually saw it running then something changed between the front door of his friends house and the first time he attempted to boot it at home on his return. Which lends to transit vibrations and possibly shorting out.
If it was all ready to go, or sitting there turned off waiting to pack up, there isn't any telling when it went udder's up. Which lends strongly to a cooked CPU, fault tolerant CPU Fan connection on the motherboard and a dead fan or some such.
btw: I only dropped out before because I needed to go lay down, which I need to go back to doing now. Just thought I'd look in and see if BoXXi found some joy with this computer or not.
Everyone have a great night/day/morning/evening, BoXXi luck with it and see you all some time tomorrow when I check to see of any updates.
Reply #102 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:37 AM
| would not boot or beep if the CPU fan was plugged into the three pin connector on the Mobo and was not running |
Most boards now have this type of feature, saves on cooked cpu's and disgruntled customers.
The CPU could be cooked, though, I am still wondering when exactly was the last time Bryan can verify the sysem was up and running?
Right before packing it up to bring home?
Or, was it all packed up when he got there ready to go?
Not to finger point or anything like that, but because if Bryan packed it up and actually saw it running then something changed between the front door of his friends house and the first time he attempted to boot it at home on his return. Which lends to transit vibrations and possibly shorting out.
If it was all ready to go, or sitting there turned off waiting to pack up, there isn't any telling when it went udder's up. Which lends strongly to a cooked CPU, fault tolerant CPU Fan connection on the motherboard and a dead fan or some such.
btw: I only dropped out before because I needed to go lay down, which I need to go back to doing now. Just thought I'd look in and see if BoXXi found some joy with this computer or not.
Everyone have a great night/day/morning/evening, BoXXi luck with it and see you all some time tomorrow when I check to see of any updates.
yrag
Reply #103 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:40 AM
Reply #103 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:40 AM
Thought so....that's a real stretch that it may have come loose, but you never know. I'm sure if it was loose he would have smelled that big time. At this point if he switches to a new case and adds one thing at a time, I think we'll have the answer in short order....
Thanks John ...sleep tight
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Thanks John ...sleep tight
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Jafo
Reply #104 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:43 AM
Reply #104 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:43 AM
OK....time to place bets, folks....
I'm going for pickled CPU due to ex-fan....
yrag
Reply #105 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:47 AM
Reply #105 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:47 AM
My bet is on the CMOS being killed by the dead battery.....
..of course, I'm the same guy who said.."Where's the beep!!"
..of course, I'm the same guy who said.."Where's the beep!!"
The DJ
Reply #106 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:51 AM
Reply #106 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:51 AM
Hmmm, a dead fan and no burn marks...For some reason, I'm gonna say the PSU. Though I'm not sure if he's gonna swap it with another.
HG_Eliminator
Reply #107 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:53 AM
Reply #107 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:53 AM
any body think that maybe sumone tried to flash the bios and messed it up ? it's not unheard of .. i seen many times where a novice tried to flash the bios and fubard the system .. no boot .. no beep.... no nothing ....... just a thought BoXXi...
The DJ
Reply #108 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 1:00 AM
Reply #108 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 1:00 AM
His friend has a right to tell him. #102 by IPlural has some real good points and I was wondering the same thing. Since he borrowed it, any changes and/or problems Boxxi should first be notified.
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Essencay
Reply #109 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 2:45 AM
Reply #109 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 2:45 AM
As i said in my only post....it has been toasted.....sorry Boxxi 
Styl-X Design
Reply #110 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:45 AM
Reply #110 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:45 AM
Like I said 5 pages ago (if people would listen to me 
) The processor is broken.
) The processor is broken.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #111 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:15 AM
Reply #111 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:15 AM
#66 by Scribe Fuzzy Logic - 2/16/2004 7:57:25 PM
Without the fan running the CPU will overheat in seconds and bring everything to a stop
Without the fan running the CPU will overheat in seconds and bring everything to a stop
eieio
Reply #112 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:22 AM
Reply #112 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:22 AM
This is a good story. Well, maybe not so good for BoXXi. But almost like a good old fashion whodunnit. 
btw - my vote is for a shorted HDD
btw - my vote is for a shorted HDD
IPlural
Reply #113 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:32 AM
Reply #113 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:32 AM
eh, have to go double down not knowing if the system was seen running before transport.
CPU Flambé : not known if system ran before transit
Grounded Fault/Short System : seen functioning before transit
CPU Flambé : not known if system ran before transit
Grounded Fault/Short System : seen functioning before transit
Erk.
Reply #114 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:35 AM
Reply #114 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:35 AM
Ah.... we have a fence sitter.
Careful how you dangle those legs IP.
Would'nt want an awful mishap
Careful how you dangle those legs IP.
Would'nt want an awful mishap
Keila
Reply #116 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:07 AM
Reply #116 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:07 AM
Well, I am not one of the people that would be of any help on this matter but, I just want to say that this is the first thread in a very long time that I have read every word of. So much knowledge and support in here.
BoXXi, I hope everything works out. Worst case that you are at least able to some how retrieve your files.
BoXXi, I hope everything works out. Worst case that you are at least able to some how retrieve your files.
HG_Eliminator
Reply #117 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:31 AM
Reply #117 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:31 AM
im still thinking bios got badly flashed or wiped out or possibly the bios chip has been shaken loose....
if the power pops up for a second im not thinking its the ups.,,,,, it could be the cpu but he said there was no burnt smell...a cooked hdd shouldnt stop the rest of the system from getting power.bios would still power the board and u would still get a beep ,"mainly a hey the hdd is fubared beep". hes already replaced the cmos battery, so it aint that...
boxxi my best sugestion would be to take the cpu and baord in to a pc repair shop and have them tested. im almost betting its the bios are gone or the bios chip is not correctly seated. a good many boards are still built with bios chips that are removeable and can be knocked out or shaken loose during transport..check the chip ...
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if the power pops up for a second im not thinking its the ups.,,,,, it could be the cpu but he said there was no burnt smell...a cooked hdd shouldnt stop the rest of the system from getting power.bios would still power the board and u would still get a beep ,"mainly a hey the hdd is fubared beep". hes already replaced the cmos battery, so it aint that...
boxxi my best sugestion would be to take the cpu and baord in to a pc repair shop and have them tested. im almost betting its the bios are gone or the bios chip is not correctly seated. a good many boards are still built with bios chips that are removeable and can be knocked out or shaken loose during transport..check the chip ...
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SelfExiled
Reply #118 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:05 AM
Reply #118 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:05 AM
If it is a shorted hard drive couldn't you boot from a floppy drive? Those are normally set to boot first. I assume the system isn't XP with a 233 PII, so it is probably Win98SE. Why not get a Win98 boot disk and put it in and try to start the system with that.
eieio
Reply #119 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:27 AM
If you disconnect the HDD first, from both power and IDE cables. The 2 times I've seen shorted HDD's, leaving them connected pulled the power down so low the box wouldn't even POST.
Reply #119 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:27 AM
| #118 by Skinner ChasUGC - 2/17/2004 10:05:02 AM If it is a shorted hard drive couldn't you boot from a floppy drive? |
If you disconnect the HDD first, from both power and IDE cables. The 2 times I've seen shorted HDD's, leaving them connected pulled the power down so low the box wouldn't even POST.
Orion
Reply #120 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:48 AM
Reply #120 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:48 AM
My money is on an electrical problem (reference my previous post). $5 betcha!
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Reply #101 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:22 AM
yep...