I just heard somewhere that...
Friday, November 21, 2003 by EventHorizon | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
...By 2006, Dial-up will be eliminated and ppl will have to switch to broadband...Is there any truth to this?
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I.R. Brainiac
Reply #22 Friday, November 21, 2003 3:20 PM
Reply #22 Friday, November 21, 2003 3:20 PM
I pay 40 a month for wireless 2mbs+ in a town of 5000 peeps.This setup works anywhere you can put up a tower with a T1 line.Radio reaches the backwoods areas and I think they can even set up relay towers. 
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #23 Friday, November 21, 2003 3:22 PM
Reply #23 Friday, November 21, 2003 3:22 PM
Durn...speaking of which,my bill is overdue...OH NO! signal...fading...service discon---------------
KarmaGirl
Reply #25 Friday, November 21, 2003 5:46 PM
Reply #25 Friday, November 21, 2003 5:46 PM
| No you do not have to purchase a modem for DSL or Cable. My providers out here - qwest for DSL and Comcast for cable both let you lease the modem for about 2 dollars a month. |
psst...Kona...I'm not sure about your math, but $2 a month is still $24 a year that you are paying for it. It doesn't matter if you lease or buy, it still costs money. 
bakerstreet
Reply #26 Friday, November 21, 2003 6:37 PM
Reply #26 Friday, November 21, 2003 6:37 PM
Got my dsl modem for free when I signed up. Most ISPs have deals like that every now and then, you just have to watch for them.
My DSL comes with a dial-up account at no extra cost, since DSL is bound to your home line, and you can use the dial-up when you are out and about. This is a decent reason for dial-up to hang around, even if no one ends up using it for their primary connection. The broadband technology we have now won't ever completely replace dial-up. I figure it will be used less and less, though.
Wireless is cool and all, but I don't think there is any way to create universal wireless access on any large scale unless it was a public service and not open to competition. Not a completely far-fetched idea: ( http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/17/1332242&mode=thread&tid=103&tid=126&tid=95&tid=99 ) . If Utah can do that for line-access, it seems like they could for wireless when the technology arrives. I love it on a small scale at home, but a wireless ISP would have a lot of big hurdles to overcome technologically, and legally.
Kinda spooky when you think about municipalities censoring their users based upon their laws, though.
My DSL comes with a dial-up account at no extra cost, since DSL is bound to your home line, and you can use the dial-up when you are out and about. This is a decent reason for dial-up to hang around, even if no one ends up using it for their primary connection. The broadband technology we have now won't ever completely replace dial-up. I figure it will be used less and less, though.
Wireless is cool and all, but I don't think there is any way to create universal wireless access on any large scale unless it was a public service and not open to competition. Not a completely far-fetched idea: ( http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/17/1332242&mode=thread&tid=103&tid=126&tid=95&tid=99 ) . If Utah can do that for line-access, it seems like they could for wireless when the technology arrives. I love it on a small scale at home, but a wireless ISP would have a lot of big hurdles to overcome technologically, and legally.
Kinda spooky when you think about municipalities censoring their users based upon their laws, though.
kona0197
Reply #27 Friday, November 21, 2003 6:59 PM
still cheaper than your setup KG, at 2 dollars a mouth plus 30 for the service...
Reply #27 Friday, November 21, 2003 6:59 PM
| psst...Kona...I'm not sure about your math, but $2 a month is still $24 a year that you are paying for it. It doesn't matter if you lease or buy, it still costs money. |
still cheaper than your setup KG, at 2 dollars a mouth plus 30 for the service...
Jafo
Reply #28 Friday, November 21, 2003 7:01 PM
Reply #28 Friday, November 21, 2003 7:01 PM
I have ADSL....as well as a 56k modem...in the one machine.....handy for when one or other gets a 'glitch'....
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #29 Friday, November 21, 2003 9:40 PM
Reply #29 Friday, November 21, 2003 9:40 PM
Bakerstreet,wireless here works perfect and was actually pretty simple to implement.The legalities were actually less than for cable providers and way faster.Weather dosnt affect it.Plus you can use it anywhere in town with a laptop and a wifi card.Towers are not special.Atall building works fine and a hill with a small tower works fineto reach lowlying areas.Two guys started this ontheir own and made it work.They have already merged with other companies in the surrounding towns.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #30 Friday, November 21, 2003 9:41 PM
Reply #30 Friday, November 21, 2003 9:41 PM
A single T1 line goes for about 800 dollaes around here.They now have 2.
bakerstreet
Reply #31 Friday, November 21, 2003 10:22 PM
Reply #31 Friday, November 21, 2003 10:22 PM
I.R. Brainiac: Where's here? What is the speed of the internet connection? I mean is it true lan-like wireless or is it more like wireless cellular dial-up? I'd be interested to see the details of how a true city-wide wireless network is implemented. I wonder what the security on the ISP end is like.
KarmaGirl
Reply #32 Friday, November 21, 2003 10:48 PM
Reply #32 Friday, November 21, 2003 10:48 PM
| #27 by Kona0197 - 11/21/2003 6:59:32 PM still cheaper than your setup KG, at 2 dollars a mouth plus 30 for the service... |
KarmaGirl bangs head on desk.
Really? Like I don't know that. Reread the part of "there is no DSL or cable available". Obviously, since I'm not an idiot, I wouldn't pay for satellite if I had another option. However, I refuse to pay for crappy dial up, which is my only other option (which is not a "broadband" option).
The point was (barring a "special deal") you still have to pay for the modem. So, when comparing apples to apples, you have to compare the monthly cost, not necessarily the set up charges.
Did I explain that clear enough for you that time?
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #33 Friday, November 21, 2003 11:38 PM
Reply #33 Friday, November 21, 2003 11:38 PM
Hi bakerstreet,I live in bowie (podunk village) texas.About 5000 people.Yes its true lan.My house has a small antenna,About 8 inches sqare.Speed is fantastic at 2+ mbps.Used to be only 1.5 max but they added a secondT1.They are now in some larger towns nearby and branching out to more metropolitan areas.As far as security ,I'm not up on that but they do have a way of keeping unauthorized users out.
KarmaGirl
Reply #36 Friday, November 21, 2003 11:54 PM
Reply #36 Friday, November 21, 2003 11:54 PM
| #34 by Admin Jafo - 11/21/2003 11:45:30 PM Karma.....you can never be clear enough....... |
True...so true.... this bottle of gin might help, though....
Anyone have a cure for insomnia? It's almost midnight. I've been up since 5am and I'm not tired at all. A little cranky...well, actually, a lot cranky, but not tired.
bakerstreet
Reply #37 Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:08 AM
Reply #37 Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:08 AM
I.R. Brainiac: hrm... Maybe it is the size of my city (Lexington, Ky). Downtown has a lot of 20+ story buildings, but they are riddled with cellular towers, I wonder if that is a problem? It is cellular hell.
I have heard of networks like you describe in apartment buildings and dorms downtown for the residents, but not over large multi-block areas. I guess I am behind. I wonder how ISPs overlap service, or if they would be assigned "channels". There are only like 11 channels on my router, though, so that would become pretty competitive. I had just assumed that it was out of the question with these litigious telephone companies and ISPs.
Thanks, gives me something to look into. Nice to know that it is working somewhere. I like the idea of being able to sit out in the back yard with my laptop. My little wireless router won't make it through the brick of my house.
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I have heard of networks like you describe in apartment buildings and dorms downtown for the residents, but not over large multi-block areas. I guess I am behind. I wonder how ISPs overlap service, or if they would be assigned "channels". There are only like 11 channels on my router, though, so that would become pretty competitive. I had just assumed that it was out of the question with these litigious telephone companies and ISPs.
Thanks, gives me something to look into. Nice to know that it is working somewhere. I like the idea of being able to sit out in the back yard with my laptop. My little wireless router won't make it through the brick of my house.
[Message Edited]
Jafo
Reply #38 Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:10 AM
Reply #38 Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:10 AM
KG...to cure your insomnia...
Step 1
Drink the gin.
Step 2
thump head with empty bottle.
[I'm full of 'em]...
IPlural
Reply #39 Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:39 AM
For the last two years there has been a company (have to look up the name) which has had highspeed Cellular internet access with a cell-modem. It started out with 256 and has improved over time, not sure what it is at now. I have a friend who lives on his 42' sailboat that uses it. Says it works great and never has a problem when tied up, though he has had some problems with it when under way and off shore a bit.
Reply #39 Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:39 AM
| What is the speed of the internet connection? I mean is it true lan-like wireless or is it more like wireless cellular dial-up? |
For the last two years there has been a company (have to look up the name) which has had highspeed Cellular internet access with a cell-modem. It started out with 256 and has improved over time, not sure what it is at now. I have a friend who lives on his 42' sailboat that uses it. Says it works great and never has a problem when tied up, though he has had some problems with it when under way and off shore a bit.
Sugaree
Reply #40 Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:44 AM
Reply #40 Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:44 AM
yeahhh KG, step 2 will do it....if you do it right 
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Reply #21 Friday, November 21, 2003 11:22 AM
No you do not have to purchase a modem for DSL or Cable. My providers out here - qwest for DSL and Comcast for cable both let you lease the modem for about 2 dollars a month.