Say a prayer for California

Just a couple degrees warmer can make a big difference

Sunday, October 27, 2019 by Chasbo | Discussion: The Environment

I have relatives and friends in California. I feel very bad for all of them. All of California. Whatever you think about the changing weather it seems pretty clear to me that the situation in California has been made drastically worse by humans.

Take a moment and say a prayer for California.

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teddybearcholla
Reply #1 Sunday, October 27, 2019 9:51 AM

 

WOM
Reply #2 Sunday, October 27, 2019 7:15 PM

I'll say a prayer for the people but piss on Calif.

Chasbo
Reply #3 Monday, October 28, 2019 6:37 AM


I'll say a prayer for the people but piss on Calif.

Always with the negative ways....

c242
Reply #4 Monday, October 28, 2019 12:47 PM

has been made drastically worse by humans.

Take a moment and say a prayer for California.

Quite a paradoxon. As this is man made, prayers won't help I fear.

 

LightStar
Reply #5 Monday, October 28, 2019 12:53 PM

A million prayers their way. 

Chasbo
Reply #6 Monday, October 28, 2019 9:15 PM

Explain how a post meant to garner sympathy and good vibes for a part of our country going through hell turned into "piss on Calif."?

Also nitpicking the point I was making? Why can't you say a prayer for a man made disaster? I got no idea if prayers or positive thoughts sent make a difference but it certainly doesn't hurt.

I didn't want to go on a diatribe about climate change. I thought the story I linked to went over how climate change has played a major role in this disaster. That is a big point.

In the end I think that the events happening in California are just a precursor to all sorts of different disasters caused by climate change all over the world. It's only going to get worse.

 

 

 

neone6
Reply #7 Monday, October 28, 2019 9:58 PM

Chasbo

Explain how a post meant to garner sympathy and good vibes for a part of our country going through hell turned into "piss on Calif."?
Näsch...that's just WOM 4 ya    -Don't get hung up on that

Jafo
Reply #8 Tuesday, October 29, 2019 9:25 AM

Bushfire season started in NSW about 2 months ago....about 3 or 4 months early....we ain't even into the last month of spring yet.

The way we are going...with this fire season overlap someone better get of their arses and build some more Sky Cranes.... there ain't enough to spread around Oz and Calif at the same time...

neone6
Reply #9 Tuesday, October 29, 2019 11:00 AM


Bushfire season started in NSW about 2 months ago....about 3 or 4 months early....we ain't even into the last month of spring yet.

The way we are going...with this fire season overlap someone better get of their arses and build some more Sky Cranes.... there ain't enough to spread around Oz and Calif at the same time...
Yeah Kitty told me It was BAD...and HOT   

tetleytea
Reply #10 Tuesday, October 29, 2019 12:14 PM

If you are going to piss on California, at least stop and ask a firefighter for directions where you can go.

WOM
Reply #11 Tuesday, October 29, 2019 1:54 PM

California has big fires every year, partly from the santa anna winds down hwy 99 or as its now called interstate 5.  Thats to the tree huggers the state quit removing the dead trees and not planting them at a better distance.  As a born and raised Californian I can say piss on the state.  Am sorry for the people and their losses.

Victechnical
Reply #12 Tuesday, October 29, 2019 3:53 PM

Thats to the tree huggers the state quit removing the dead trees and planting them at a better distance. 

Environmental/climate science is still quite young.  It's not surprising that some choices had unintended consequences.

JanOscar
Reply #13 Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:50 AM


I can say piss on the state
Why on earth would anyone choose those words to communicate, especially in this thread (or anywhere else, if you ask me). Do pissing in directions of things you dislike really earn you results and repect? All that comes to my mind is piss off, and sadly all focus on the goal of the thread is gone.

WOM
Reply #14 Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:07 AM

Yrgal, what do ya want me to say when the calif. tells its employees they can visit certain states because they don't believe the way they do.  Then you have San Fran. telling its employees they can visit 23 states because they don't believe their way.  We never used to be like that when I grew up there.

Chasbo
Reply #15 Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:40 AM


Yrgal, what do ya want me to say when the calif. tells its employees they can visit certain states because they don't believe the way they do.  Then you have San Fran. telling its employees they can visit 23 states because they don't believe their way.  We never used to be like that when I grew up there.

WOM you neglected some important points/facts. Those travel bans are for folks using state or city funds to travel to states that are anti-LGBT and or anti abortion. Anyone in California can use their own money to travel wherever they choose.

Besides none of that has anything to do with the disaster and human suffering that's occurring in California which was the original point of the post.

Gauntlet03
Reply #16 Wednesday, October 30, 2019 6:51 PM

Chasbo

Explain how a post meant to garner sympathy and good vibes for a part of our country going through hell turned into "piss on Calif."?

Also nitpicking the point I was making? Why can't you say a prayer for a man made disaster? I got no idea if prayers or positive thoughts sent make a difference but it certainly doesn't hurt.

I didn't want to go on a diatribe about climate change. I thought the story I linked to went over how climate change has played a major role in this disaster. That is a big point.

In the end I think that the events happening in California are just a precursor to all sorts of different disasters caused by climate change all over the world. It's only going to get worse.

 

 

Well, I for one read this post's title and decided to take a look, mostly because I find "praying" to be an over-used sentiment that comes with some baggage... and felt that there would likely be controversy (and therefore, I'm a bit interested lol).

But to answer your question? (about how this led to "piss on Cali" and other negativity:

1) So I suspect "piss on Cali" sentiment you've experienced comes from jerks who have a problem with California because it's a haven of liberal (by US standards) policy (which conservative thinkers find threatening since California is a fairly successful state at a very large scale).

2) Sending prayers is now fully associated with "Being ineffectual" for many who read it, because of the oft used "Thoughts and Prayers" phrasing used by US politicians in response to gun violence... which is of course, completely ineffectual.

3) I personally for example, felt a tinge of dislike for your post, because I actually DO believe that "prayers" actually DO make things worse. I generally believe that optimism leads to greater damage... whilst pessimism (AKA realism) prepares us for the worst and to take action. Prayers also often give people the FEELING that they've done something useful, when in fact, they've done effectively nothing and some people use prayers selfishly excuse themselves from actually acting on a problem.  Furthermore, this can be doubly frustrating since prayers carry a religious overtone and a undercurrent of moral superiority.

So for those of us who eschew any particular religion/spirituality, we find it extra annoying to read.

 

But hey... none of that is reason enough to rake you over the coals and be a jerk to you (or California). I'm sorry you've had a bad experience posting. I hope my response is useful to you, it's not intended as anything else.

 

neone6
Reply #17 Wednesday, October 30, 2019 7:24 PM

Don't worry . . . Be Happy   

Chasbo
Reply #18 Thursday, October 31, 2019 8:03 AM

Gauntlet03


Quoting Chasbo,

Explain how a post meant to garner sympathy and good vibes for a part of our country going through hell turned into "piss on Calif."?

Also nitpicking the point I was making? Why can't you say a prayer for a man made disaster? I got no idea if prayers or positive thoughts sent make a difference but it certainly doesn't hurt.

I didn't want to go on a diatribe about climate change. I thought the story I linked to went over how climate change has played a major role in this disaster. That is a big point.

In the end I think that the events happening in California are just a precursor to all sorts of different disasters caused by climate change all over the world. It's only going to get worse.



 

 

Well, I for one read this post's title and decided to take a look, mostly because I find "praying" to be an over-used sentiment that comes with some baggage... and felt that there would likely be controversy (and therefore, I'm a bit interested lol).

But to answer your question? (about how this led to "piss on Cali" and other negativity:

1) So I suspect "piss on Cali" sentiment you've experienced comes from jerks who have a problem with California because it's a haven of liberal (by US standards) policy (which conservative thinkers find threatening since California is a fairly successful state at a very large scale).

2) Sending prayers is now fully associated with "Being ineffectual" for many who read it, because of the oft used "Thoughts and Prayers" phrasing used by US politicians in response to gun violence... which is of course, completely ineffectual.

3) I personally for example, felt a tinge of dislike for your post, because I actually DO believe that "prayers" actually DO make things worse. I generally believe that optimism leads to greater damage... whilst pessimism (AKA realism) prepares us for the worst and to take action. Prayers also often give people the FEELING that they've done something useful, when in fact, they've done effectively nothing and some people use prayers selfishly excuse themselves from actually acting on a problem.  Furthermore, this can be doubly frustrating since prayers carry a religious overtone and a undercurrent of moral superiority.

So for those of us who eschew any particular religion/spirituality, we find it extra annoying to read.

 

But hey... none of that is reason enough to rake you over the coals and be a jerk to you (or California). I'm sorry you've had a bad experience posting. I hope my response is useful to you, it's not intended as anything else.

 

Let me say that I am not religious at all. At WC people post about personal things and sometimes they ask for prayers to be sent. For me this means sending out positive energy. This also means that people sometimes find comfort in doing this. The feeling that whatever it is that is wrong, they aren't alone. There's nothing harmful in doing that even if it isn't logical.

I know full well that the what California needs, what the whole world needs is a complete reversal of the path that led us to rely on fossil fuels for our energy needs. Prayers aren't going to do that, only a concerted effort by the worlds governments. Our federal government, currently, won't even acknowledge that climate change is a problem. This will go down in history as a big mistake and is pretty stupid.

I don't think you understand the full point of the post. Did you read the story at the link? That's the real point of the post.

 

 

 

sydneysiders
Reply #19 Thursday, October 31, 2019 8:59 AM

yeah.... and this is Sydney today.... surrounded by bushfires and the air is just choking...  

gonna be a looooong summer...    

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/sydney-s-air-quality-plummets-to-hazardous-levels-as-smoke-blankets-city-20191031-p536bw.html

and the impact to wildlife is devastating.... poor koalas... already under great threat from land clearing... we never learn...

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/the-whole-place-went-up-fears-for-koala-colonies-as-nsw-fires-burn-on-20191031-p5366y.html

Gauntlet03
Reply #20 Thursday, October 31, 2019 9:08 AM

I was addressing your question and the possible reasons you received some negativity.

I understand your point about climate change/etc. that you are making. I think my comments are relevant because the act of "Sending thoughts" or "Sending Prayers" is a useful mental tool that people use and abuse to avoid acting, and while you may use it earnestly, your encouraging a practice that on the whole... is counter-productive. Especially when it's done publicly... I think your point about offering comfort are perfectly valid when that sentiment is expressed privately.

It's sort of a version of the bystander effect if you will, and thus relevant to climate change, because so much of that problem is related to individuals not relating the problem to effective action.

There are some good arguments out there for example, that things like paper-straws are counter productive, because ultimately, even if every plastic straw was magically converted to paper, the climate change problem would not be (even remotely) solved... but people FEEL like they are "Doing their bit!" by merely using paper straws and this excuses them (in their minds, often unconsciously) to then resist or ignore other more effective actions.

Opinions on what would be most effective vary, obviously, and expert opinions should generally be amalgamated to determine action... but off the cuff... some of my personal choices...

  • Endorse nuclear energy as a stop-gap (for a century or two) to alleviate reliance on fossil fuels.
  • Continue research into superior battery technology.
  • Enforce strict guidelines on methane and even more dangerous greenhouse gasses.
  • Invest more in the ITER fusion project or similar.
  • Increase taxes on basically everyone to pay for these things.
  • Encourage a generally lessening of material expectations for everyone. Whilst the rich should stop being able to own private airplanes, the common American should perhaps also not be able to get the latest I-Phone every single model. Breaking the consumerism that dominates 99% of our culture... somehow???
  • Encourage right to repair and discourage and regulate designed obsolescence.
  • Embrace genetic engineering for the purpose of climate durable crops.
  • High powered plasma furnaces for trash-burning energy production.

Now there is obviously many more choices, but I specifically chose for this list, some of the ones that are controversial or lesser talked about, that I feel are far more effective than the recycling industry (in the US), straws, etc. 

 

 

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