Slut in the screenshots... -Sigh-
Saturday, May 24, 2003 by EventHorizon | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I hate to do this, but....
I have noticed lately, that there have been a lot of unsavory additions to the screenshots library. I emailed Jafo about this and he deleted a number of them, but of course, they still keep comin' in. B1uesummers in particular with some others coming SS Goku etc. I am wondering if maybe screenshots arent obliged to go through moderation...That could be a prob.
To see what im talkin about go to... https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=13&SkinID=1973 Ok fine, thats just one, but ive been watchin the screenshots for a while and I dont like what I see...One IS worth removing so that we dont have little kids paying visits to the screenshots and saying, "Mommy, mommy, look at that!..."
Now some of you may not agree with me...(People's moral standards being different and all)...but I dont think its right for a "family site" to be displaying this kind of crap. Basically what Im asking is, could someone please remove the ones you see fit and to make sure these people dont do it again.
I have noticed lately, that there have been a lot of unsavory additions to the screenshots library. I emailed Jafo about this and he deleted a number of them, but of course, they still keep comin' in. B1uesummers in particular with some others coming SS Goku etc. I am wondering if maybe screenshots arent obliged to go through moderation...That could be a prob.
To see what im talkin about go to... https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=13&SkinID=1973 Ok fine, thats just one, but ive been watchin the screenshots for a while and I dont like what I see...One IS worth removing so that we dont have little kids paying visits to the screenshots and saying, "Mommy, mommy, look at that!..."
Now some of you may not agree with me...(People's moral standards being different and all)...but I dont think its right for a "family site" to be displaying this kind of crap. Basically what Im asking is, could someone please remove the ones you see fit and to make sure these people dont do it again.
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Lecrayon
Reply #62 Saturday, May 24, 2003 3:25 PM
Reply #62 Saturday, May 24, 2003 3:25 PM
Well. as I understand a couple were deleted, and it's maybe good to have said it in a thread. Some screenshots deleted, some stay. It keeps the staff awake. Good thing.
Ingui
Reply #63 Saturday, May 24, 2003 3:30 PM
Reply #63 Saturday, May 24, 2003 3:30 PM
I dont see any Hippy. Event is welcome to his opinion and I respect it. But I would be concerned if it resulted in something like that being pulled. What are we talking about here? 
Its a pic of a girl. A cartoon no less. Is it provocative? Dunno for sure. Offensive? definately not this particular pic. But if someone does find it so, that lies with them, the viewer, not the Artist , or the "Gallery".
Nudity, rape, pedophilia, etc is a "Black and White" thing. No place for it here. This pic falls in the realm of taste and choice. He likes it, you dont. She thinks its racy, so-and-so thinks it's boring. I dont like a program, I change the channel.
I wont cram smut in anyones face, dont cram prudish, archaic, "blue" censorship in mine. Especially in a community of artists and skinners and its fans.
Btw... Here are the results of my Family Poll... (my wife and kids)
Brianna... age 7 "That's cool"
Corin... age 8 "She's dressed like a boy, ewww"
LMAO
Jason... age 10 "I dunno, it's neat"
Jessica... age 12 "Cool desk dad"
Linda... age n/a
"Thats awesome Jay"
ciao
Its a pic of a girl. A cartoon no less. Is it provocative? Dunno for sure. Offensive? definately not this particular pic. But if someone does find it so, that lies with them, the viewer, not the Artist , or the "Gallery".
Nudity, rape, pedophilia, etc is a "Black and White" thing. No place for it here. This pic falls in the realm of taste and choice. He likes it, you dont. She thinks its racy, so-and-so thinks it's boring. I dont like a program, I change the channel.
I wont cram smut in anyones face, dont cram prudish, archaic, "blue" censorship in mine. Especially in a community of artists and skinners and its fans.
Btw... Here are the results of my Family Poll... (my wife and kids)
Brianna... age 7 "That's cool"
Corin... age 8 "She's dressed like a boy, ewww"
LMAOJason... age 10 "I dunno, it's neat"
Jessica... age 12 "Cool desk dad"
Linda... age n/a
"Thats awesome Jay"
ciao
Doomgaze
Reply #64 Saturday, May 24, 2003 3:33 PM
Reply #64 Saturday, May 24, 2003 3:33 PM
she's dressed like a boy?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
kids
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
kids
kona0197
Reply #65 Saturday, May 24, 2003 3:35 PM
Reply #65 Saturday, May 24, 2003 3:35 PM
Kids rock. Gotta love em. I wished we all veiwed the world the way they do. make the world a better place.
grayhaze
Reply #67 Saturday, May 24, 2003 3:50 PM
Reply #67 Saturday, May 24, 2003 3:50 PM
Somebody already beat me to it by mentioning Britney Spears, but the one lasting impression that this thread left me with earlier was my trying to remember which actress I saw recently at a movie awards ceremony wearing a dress that revealed pretty much the same amount of real flesh as the cartoon girl in that picture is displaying.
Had you chosen one of these 'hentai' pictures with cartoon images of obviously underage girls engaging in crude sexual acts, then I could understand where you're coming from. As it is, if that was truly the worst example you could come up with then maybe you belong in Victorian times.
"Good Lord! Look at that little tart, showing her naked ankles in public. I must go to church and cleanse myself of this evil."
Had you chosen one of these 'hentai' pictures with cartoon images of obviously underage girls engaging in crude sexual acts, then I could understand where you're coming from. As it is, if that was truly the worst example you could come up with then maybe you belong in Victorian times.
"Good Lord! Look at that little tart, showing her naked ankles in public. I must go to church and cleanse myself of this evil."
grayhaze
Reply #68 Saturday, May 24, 2003 3:54 PM
Reply #68 Saturday, May 24, 2003 3:54 PM
And yes, I thought the use of the word 'slut' infinitely more offensive than the image itself. I'd be more concerned with a child coming to this site, seeing your use of that word, and having to explain to them what it meant.
So in effect your use of this title only served to contribute toward what you're claiming to be fighting. That's irony.
So in effect your use of this title only served to contribute toward what you're claiming to be fighting. That's irony.
paxx
Reply #69 Saturday, May 24, 2003 4:43 PM
Reply #69 Saturday, May 24, 2003 4:43 PM
Hum... we're still talking about a cartoon, are we not?
Doreen
Reply #70 Saturday, May 24, 2003 4:48 PM
Reply #70 Saturday, May 24, 2003 4:48 PM
I did not see anything wrong when I went to click on that link to check it out, I thought it was cute, sexy and that's it, when I seen the word "Slut" in the title that definetly was not what I was expecting to see when I clicked on the link... hehe
(I'm getting pretty immune to what is nasty these days thanks to the spam in my mailbox unfortunetly)
(I'm getting pretty immune to what is nasty these days thanks to the spam in my mailbox unfortunetly)
Doreen
Reply #71 Saturday, May 24, 2003 4:50 PM
Reply #71 Saturday, May 24, 2003 4:50 PM
on the other hand even cartoons "Can" be done up in such an offensive manner they would need to be removed, but that one you dropped a link on is cute, sexy and nothing offensive is showing nor is she posed in such a way it looks nasty...
joetheblow
Reply #72 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:02 PM
Reply #72 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:02 PM
hmmmmm... I think Event has a point with that screenshot. It is borderline. I don't find that much of a problem with it but it is borderline
Also Colebine, Maxim, the 30th annual what ever, or Briteny Spears has nothing to do with that screenshot on Wincusto. The comparisions to how people or kids see Briteny all the time and then come to wincutomize and see a image screenshot of a woman (or girl can't tell) showing allot of boobs is not an even comparision.
Also, the title of this thread to me is more offencive then the screenshot because the word 'slut' is a name or a denouncement of a person. In allot of ways it is a curse word.
I disagree with most of the posts here; On boths side actually. Just because it is a cartoon does not mean it is ok to show what could be called skin to a specific degree. A bikini on a beach is not a screenshot on a website.
at the same time the image that is shown for example is borderline mostly because it is a cartoon (if it was a actual woman I would feel it crossed the line)
this one is borderline and can be argued both ways. (I don't think I woould put it on my site but the one with the lady in th water and the green leaves I would cause its more artzy)
Also Colebine, Maxim, the 30th annual what ever, or Briteny Spears has nothing to do with that screenshot on Wincusto. The comparisions to how people or kids see Briteny all the time and then come to wincutomize and see a image screenshot of a woman (or girl can't tell) showing allot of boobs is not an even comparision.
Also, the title of this thread to me is more offencive then the screenshot because the word 'slut' is a name or a denouncement of a person. In allot of ways it is a curse word.
I disagree with most of the posts here; On boths side actually. Just because it is a cartoon does not mean it is ok to show what could be called skin to a specific degree. A bikini on a beach is not a screenshot on a website.
at the same time the image that is shown for example is borderline mostly because it is a cartoon (if it was a actual woman I would feel it crossed the line)
this one is borderline and can be argued both ways. (I don't think I woould put it on my site but the one with the lady in th water and the green leaves I would cause its more artzy)
joetheblow
Reply #73 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:06 PM
Reply #73 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:06 PM
and no paxx we are not really talking about a cartoon. I think we are talking about perceptions and ideals.
the subject happens to be a screenshot though...
the subject happens to be a screenshot though...
joetheblow
Reply #74 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:07 PM Doreen, yes I have recieved junk mail like that too. A few time they were cartoons and believe me it was p0rn.
Reply #74 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:07 PM
Doreen, yes I have recieved junk mail like that too. A few time they were cartoons and believe me it was p0rn.
Doreen
Reply #75 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:12 PM
Reply #75 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:12 PM
exactly but that particular cartoon is done up cute, sexy nothing slutty about it at all...
nothing nasty showing nor is she posing in a nasty mannor so something like "that" I would not call Slutty at all, but yes even cartoons can be disgusting when there is motive behind the artist to make it so, right?
nothing nasty showing nor is she posing in a nasty mannor so something like "that" I would not call Slutty at all, but yes even cartoons can be disgusting when there is motive behind the artist to make it so, right?
Doreen
Reply #76 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:13 PM
Reply #76 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:13 PM
mannor = manner?
me gets nervous w/ my spelling over here w/ that Jafo guy lurking... hehe
me gets nervous w/ my spelling over here w/ that Jafo guy lurking... hehe
Jafo
Reply #77 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:18 PM
Reply #77 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:18 PM
OK....we'll set ONE thing straight....'hentai' will NOT be accepted...
I remember a run-in some of us had with a photographic image posted on Devart....the final determination was that the model was pre-pubescent, ergo it was 'child' pornography.
Had a hard enough time convincing people THAT had to go....[bloody egocentric artists].
Anime tends to depict child-like figures in often questionable poses...and those won't be accepted...not on a family site...even a 'hint' of soft-core kiddie-porn is still too much....
Frogboy
Reply #78 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:25 PM
Reply #78 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:25 PM
Good gracious, you know, it's hard to believe that there was a time when I was constantly being called a fascist or worse.
As a community, we have control over the direction this site goes. Do you people really want to slowly turn this site into some elitist, snooty, G-rated site? This is a PG site. Between the calls for taking away people's posting rights for "incorrect opinions" and censoring screenshots because it has a female with cleavage, to demands that we remove fan artwork, I have real fear that this place, left to its own devices, could end up like some sort of elitist art club.
Let's mellow out a bit and enjoy ourselves. This is supposed to be for fun, you know? 
SelfExiled
Reply #79 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:41 PM
Reply #79 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:41 PM
I agree with KarmaGirl again.
I think the decision that needs to be made is whether this site is suppose to be a G-rated site, a PG-rated site, a R-rated site, or ... Personally, many adults visit this site, and its true that many parents think this site is artistically minded and a good way to get their children involved in new technology art. I don't think anyone wants a G-rated site. It would be flat and unimpressive to the adults, 100% of who pay for object desktop. Everyone knows that one needs to supervise children on the net. So, a PG-rated site is more appropiate.
With that said, I didn't find the first link outside of that rating. The second one could probably be in a Disney Cartoon rendition of Tarzan and Jane. So, I don't think that one was inappropiate.
Sexuality isn't something that I feel needs to be feared with children. It's the expression of certain sexual acts. Neither of those images expressed any sexual acts. Those images did express decrete sexuality and because of that I felt that they were okay for a PG-rated site. We can't cover our childrens eyes on the net. Almost any site they randomly view will 50/50 be a sex site. What I'm saying is that the name of the link guarantees nothing. It is part of the net. Most children would probably think that both images were cute. I could see of no uncomfortable questions that they could propose for parents.
We see babies nude on TV commericials and we don't think that is sexual. If I saw two babies nude in a wall on this site, I wouldn't think that was sexual or inappropiate. A expecting mother might like it very much. Unless, we are thinking about perversion. And, I don't think that way.
If those two images were the worse, I think that there is much more to worry about in society for our children. Like many here have said concerning pregeant teenagers, and child violence. None of those images illicited to any of those problems. They were discrete and cute. Surely, they were not R-rated images. Therefore, I have no problem with them.
I too had more of a problem with the word S - - -, a R-rated or worse word, and parents having to explain to their children what that word meant. >
I think the decision that needs to be made is whether this site is suppose to be a G-rated site, a PG-rated site, a R-rated site, or ... Personally, many adults visit this site, and its true that many parents think this site is artistically minded and a good way to get their children involved in new technology art. I don't think anyone wants a G-rated site. It would be flat and unimpressive to the adults, 100% of who pay for object desktop. Everyone knows that one needs to supervise children on the net. So, a PG-rated site is more appropiate.
With that said, I didn't find the first link outside of that rating. The second one could probably be in a Disney Cartoon rendition of Tarzan and Jane. So, I don't think that one was inappropiate.
Sexuality isn't something that I feel needs to be feared with children. It's the expression of certain sexual acts. Neither of those images expressed any sexual acts. Those images did express decrete sexuality and because of that I felt that they were okay for a PG-rated site. We can't cover our childrens eyes on the net. Almost any site they randomly view will 50/50 be a sex site. What I'm saying is that the name of the link guarantees nothing. It is part of the net. Most children would probably think that both images were cute. I could see of no uncomfortable questions that they could propose for parents.
We see babies nude on TV commericials and we don't think that is sexual. If I saw two babies nude in a wall on this site, I wouldn't think that was sexual or inappropiate. A expecting mother might like it very much. Unless, we are thinking about perversion. And, I don't think that way.
If those two images were the worse, I think that there is much more to worry about in society for our children. Like many here have said concerning pregeant teenagers, and child violence. None of those images illicited to any of those problems. They were discrete and cute. Surely, they were not R-rated images. Therefore, I have no problem with them.
I too had more of a problem with the word S - - -, a R-rated or worse word, and parents having to explain to their children what that word meant. >
joetheblow
Reply #80 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:47 PM
Reply #80 Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:47 PM
hmmm... it still borderline to me. way too much cartoon cleavage with a 'laid down' look come hither type... but it still is just borderline.
I know a little about the history of japanima and girls tend to be uyoung looking and very leggy. I'll never forget Saloir Moon cartoons. One day I was like, 'wait a minute... she's naked!!! and she is going out with this guy who is like 10 years older than her!!!'
still boderline for me this one though... a little less hanging 'chads' would be prferred.
I know a little about the history of japanima and girls tend to be uyoung looking and very leggy. I'll never forget Saloir Moon cartoons. One day I was like, 'wait a minute... she's naked!!! and she is going out with this guy who is like 10 years older than her!!!'
still boderline for me this one though... a little less hanging 'chads' would be prferred.
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Reply #61 Saturday, May 24, 2003 3:25 PM