Overcoming Music CD Protection?
Wednesday, April 30, 2003 by mooshoo | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Today I returned to my house eager to listen to Reliant K's new CD (yeah... I know... Reliant K is 'lame' but still I like some of their stuff) only to find they have followed the popular trend of preventing computer's ability to play CD's. This pissed me off to say the least. I go out and buy your cd and that's how you re-pay me? I don't have a decent sound system besides my computer, so .
I know there are ways to get around this 'protection' but I haven't a clue what they are... perhaps special media players (or maybe it takes some intense hacking, I don't know). Anyone had luck with ways to listen to locked CD's on their computers? (maybe it will even be 'on-site-topic' and be skinable
I know there are ways to get around this 'protection' but I haven't a clue what they are... perhaps special media players (or maybe it takes some intense hacking, I don't know). Anyone had luck with ways to listen to locked CD's on their computers? (maybe it will even be 'on-site-topic' and be skinable
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UHRBid
Reply #23 Thursday, May 1, 2003 7:32 PM
Reply #23 Thursday, May 1, 2003 7:32 PM
Sony's screwed themselves over with protection too... They released a Celine Dion CD that crashed conmputers and was unplayable even in some of their own drives...
CDA and MP3 on a CD is a bad idea for copy protection... it's just a rip-able as a regular CD, and would raise cost of production just a tad for the time spend getting the music into MP3 format (no label is dumb enough to record in it initially)
on a side, if you want to get you music fix even if you drive won't read it, you can get a nice little program to extract the CD image and mount it with a drive-image tool... It doesn't bypass the cd-protection because you're accessing the drive using normal means, just not reading it as an audio CD (most extractors do a byte-for-byte read) I like alcohol 120% and daemon tools
CDA and MP3 on a CD is a bad idea for copy protection... it's just a rip-able as a regular CD, and would raise cost of production just a tad for the time spend getting the music into MP3 format (no label is dumb enough to record in it initially)
on a side, if you want to get you music fix even if you drive won't read it, you can get a nice little program to extract the CD image and mount it with a drive-image tool... It doesn't bypass the cd-protection because you're accessing the drive using normal means, just not reading it as an audio CD (most extractors do a byte-for-byte read) I like alcohol 120% and daemon tools
UHRBid
Reply #24 Thursday, May 1, 2003 7:45 PM
Reply #24 Thursday, May 1, 2003 7:45 PM
The only way to prevent ripping of the tracks, would be to make them unplayable on equipment that can rip (computers, some stereos, etc...) Tool's Lateralus won't even go from my stereo to my minidisc player because of a protection scheme (anti-optical output)
But...
preventing playback on certain equipment is a bad PR issue for labels, so it's a f___ed if you do, f___ed if you don't.
My opinion is that I own the CD, I get to listen to it my way... mp3, minidics, tape, etc... I supported the artist, now I could go for some support... btw, for peopel who need help getting support, feel free to contact me...
But...
preventing playback on certain equipment is a bad PR issue for labels, so it's a f___ed if you do, f___ed if you don't.
My opinion is that I own the CD, I get to listen to it my way... mp3, minidics, tape, etc... I supported the artist, now I could go for some support... btw, for peopel who need help getting support, feel free to contact me...
craeonics
Reply #26 Friday, May 2, 2003 4:33 AM
Reply #26 Friday, May 2, 2003 4:33 AM
Indeed.
I stopped running into cd protection problems when I started ripping my cd's and playing the resulting files through my computer (plus audio out to my stereo).
I stopped running into cd protection problems when I started ripping my cd's and playing the resulting files through my computer (plus audio out to my stereo).
Jafo
Reply #27 Friday, May 2, 2003 4:44 AM
Reply #27 Friday, May 2, 2003 4:44 AM
UHRBid...
When you buy a CD you 'own' the plastic.
The content [music] is owned by the artist/manager/label/etc....not by you.
You are legally entitled to turn the CD into a drink coaster or perhaps pop-art...but the audio content is not yours to alter, just to play [privately].
Once that reality is understood, the concept of audio format conversion possibly infringing on copyright becomes apparent...
When you buy a CD you 'own' the plastic.
The content [music] is owned by the artist/manager/label/etc....not by you.
You are legally entitled to turn the CD into a drink coaster or perhaps pop-art...but the audio content is not yours to alter, just to play [privately].
Once that reality is understood, the concept of audio format conversion possibly infringing on copyright becomes apparent...
eieio
Reply #28 Friday, May 2, 2003 4:51 AM
Reply #28 Friday, May 2, 2003 4:51 AM
It's really no different than software in that sense. My copy of XP Pro is mine - the disk anyway. The OS still belongs to Microsoft. have only a license to use it, or play/listen in the case of a music CD
Elfkura
Reply #29 Friday, May 2, 2003 5:40 AM
Reply #29 Friday, May 2, 2003 5:40 AM
I like my home country. There's no such thing as copyrights.
Elfkura
Reply #30 Friday, May 2, 2003 5:41 AM
Reply #30 Friday, May 2, 2003 5:41 AM
I'm still waiting for some Chinese server to take your stuff and host it.
UHRBid
Reply #31 Friday, May 2, 2003 6:47 AM
Reply #31 Friday, May 2, 2003 6:47 AM
legally it's mine to play, and play it I will, just not their way
Since there's no way to trace it, then ripping (I don't distribute) is a prefect crime, so viva la revolution! fnck them, and I'll enjoy my mp3 music I supported
Besides, the whole copyrigth thing would be an American thing, so if I can find an drop-box internationally i"m even legal (no international copyright), but since I bought the artist, no judge would find that as guilty even if they did trace it, ADN cared enough to do anythign about it... pity it's not criminal law though, a jury would be even easier to win
Since there's no way to trace it, then ripping (I don't distribute) is a prefect crime, so viva la revolution! fnck them, and I'll enjoy my mp3 music I supported
Besides, the whole copyrigth thing would be an American thing, so if I can find an drop-box internationally i"m even legal (no international copyright), but since I bought the artist, no judge would find that as guilty even if they did trace it, ADN cared enough to do anythign about it... pity it's not criminal law though, a jury would be even easier to win
Elfkura
Reply #32 Friday, May 2, 2003 7:04 AM
Reply #32 Friday, May 2, 2003 7:04 AM
Elfkura laughs
I can just hear you saying that out loud.
Elfkura remembers talk in the van
Elfkura laughs even harder
I can just hear you saying that out loud.
Elfkura remembers talk in the van
Elfkura laughs even harder
paxx
Reply #33 Friday, May 2, 2003 7:10 AM
Reply #33 Friday, May 2, 2003 7:10 AM
UHRBid: excuse me, but copyright is not an American concept. Actually, the US of A is a late comer in the international Berne convention (1989).
Elfie: are we supposed to go wow and admire China?
Elfie: are we supposed to go wow and admire China?
Jafo
Reply #34 Friday, May 2, 2003 7:12 AM
Reply #34 Friday, May 2, 2003 7:12 AM
UHRBid...I'm not going to bother to debate exactly the same issue every other week but suffice it to sa it is not an 'American thing'...it is an International 'thing'.
You did NOT 'buy the artist'...you bought the RIGHT to play a CD of the artist's music...that is all.
The fact no-one has challenged your activities [yet] does not therefore make them legal.
You did NOT 'buy the artist'...you bought the RIGHT to play a CD of the artist's music...that is all.
The fact no-one has challenged your activities [yet] does not therefore make them legal.
UHRBid
Reply #35 Friday, May 2, 2003 7:17 AM
Reply #35 Friday, May 2, 2003 7:17 AM
actualy, I've just spent part of my morning reading the DMCA, and I don't see how ripping to mp3 is illegal (at least in the US).
"circumvention of technological measures used to protect copyrighted works, and [...] tampering with the integrity of copyright management information."
--6th paragraph under Title I
the works are remaining copyrighted and protected, I just extended the protection to include works ripped by me onto my computer...
oh yeah, a co-worker trumped my with the international copyright thing... He's claiming the UCC and WIPO are international law. They aren't. They're an ATTEMPT. Since many nations around the world aren't members, they aren't going to have the power to do anything everywhere.
MP3s are illegal just like my tape recorder, minidisc, and VCR, all of which excel at ripping copyrighted works for me
"circumvention of technological measures used to protect copyrighted works, and [...] tampering with the integrity of copyright management information."
--6th paragraph under Title I
the works are remaining copyrighted and protected, I just extended the protection to include works ripped by me onto my computer...
oh yeah, a co-worker trumped my with the international copyright thing... He's claiming the UCC and WIPO are international law. They aren't. They're an ATTEMPT. Since many nations around the world aren't members, they aren't going to have the power to do anything everywhere.
MP3s are illegal just like my tape recorder, minidisc, and VCR, all of which excel at ripping copyrighted works for me
UHRBid
Reply #37 Friday, May 2, 2003 7:25 AM
Reply #37 Friday, May 2, 2003 7:25 AM
oops.... that did post... ah well
Jafo, you don't need to debate me, I won't change no more than I expect you would
Jafo, you don't need to debate me, I won't change no more than I expect you would
Jafo
Reply #39 Friday, May 2, 2003 7:30 AM
Reply #39 Friday, May 2, 2003 7:30 AM
The difference is that I, too rip CDs to MP3s for listening on my comp...saves wear and tear on the CDRom drive....BUT I know that it is a copyright issue.
Others claim it is not, and they are wrong.
Simple as thet.
Others claim it is not, and they are wrong.
Simple as thet.
Elfkura
Reply #40 Friday, May 2, 2003 7:31 AM
Reply #40 Friday, May 2, 2003 7:31 AM
no paxx, but when a member come onto the site in search of help to be able to listen to his cd (which he had BOUGHT) on his cd player, and Jafo's pathetic comments about "that's related to warez, take it off the site" helped him none.
When I've spent money to buy something so I can enjoy it for my personal use, I would be pretty damn pissed if I can't. I'm sorry if some PEOPLE think that copyright is EVERYTHING. It's not. When I get cheated out of a product I bought, I would be pretty damn mad. Where the hell does copyright play into this? Now I have to depend on these companies to provide me with "legitimate hardware" so I can spend more of my father's hard earned money?
When I've spent money to buy something so I can enjoy it for my personal use, I would be pretty damn pissed if I can't. I'm sorry if some PEOPLE think that copyright is EVERYTHING. It's not. When I get cheated out of a product I bought, I would be pretty damn mad. Where the hell does copyright play into this? Now I have to depend on these companies to provide me with "legitimate hardware" so I can spend more of my father's hard earned money?
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Reply #21 Thursday, May 1, 2003 4:37 PM