Overdog worship

Monday, April 21, 2003 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

One of the trends I've noticed in "Generation Y" that's different from Generation X and especially the baby boomers is that members of Generation Y seem to automatically want to side with the overdog.

Nothing exemplifies this attitude more than the stark attitude differences about Microsoft. If you polled the typical 18 year old techie about Microsoft, you would find that they overwhelming believe Microsoft's technologies are great, innovative, and solid. Ask Generation X and a lot of skepticism shows up. And by the time you get to the baby boomers you have to weed out the profanity used to describe it.

For us at Stardock, this really bites hard because we make software that extends the OS. As a result, any time Microsoft adds something that works similarly to what we make, the overdog worshippers begin dissing our software. Often times the similarities are almost identical. Yet, if you add the Microsoft logo to our stuff, it magically becomes better, faster, smaller, etc.

It's a rather surreal experience seeing young techies equating software written by Microsoft as small, fast, efficient, and relatively bug free. I actually don't have a negative view of Microsoft's coding abilities. I think they write software a bit better than average when compared to other mega corporations. I do believe that their internal developer culture is inadvertently harmful to third party innovation. That's because developers at Microsoft are allowed to work on, in their free time, additional software projects and from what I've seen, these often end up being "inspired" by third party software rather than original creations. But there's a big difference between Freeware written by Joe freeware author and someone at Microsoft. Anything released by Microsoft gains the air of legitimacy that no third party can get.

And that brings us back to the overdog worshipping. In Windows XP, the OS supports being "skinned". The OS comes with Windows XP style blue, silver, and green. But if you're willing to hack out the digital signing protection, you can download and copy into your system directory additional themes. The msstyles format is pretty decent overall. But it's not very powerful. It was made to make the Windows XP style and as long as you're willing to basically stick with themes that are pretty basic, you can have some variety.

Our company, by contrast, makes WindowBlinds. A program that extends Windows XP to natively support skinning too. We use pretty much the same APIs so we're just as "native". The difference is that our skin format is much more advanced since our program only exists to skin and wasn't designed around a particular design.

Yet on some of the techie sites that are so frequented by Generation Ys, you would think our software was buggy crap. Often times the alleged faults with it are exactly the same faults that exist with the included msstyles (because we use the same APIs). And none of these faults are what a normal person would consider significant.

But that's where the underdog worship really takes off. All manner of faults are imagined to exist for our software and the only thing these faults have in common is that we're not from Microsoft.

Let me give you some examples to show you just how far some of the overdog worshippers will go:

Claim: There are no good skins for WindowBlinds, they're all fat and useless.

Msstyles supports only very basic skins. WindowBlinds is a superset format, it can do that plus pretty much anything else you can imagine.

Let me show you some screenshots to show you what we've been doing for years:

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-nov99.jpg (November 1999)

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-apr00.jpg (April 2000)

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-july01.jpg (July 2001)

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-july00.jpg (July 2000)

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-aug00.jpg (Aug 2000)

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-nov02.jpg (Nov 2002)

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-jan03.jpg (Jan 2003)

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-mar03.jpg (Mar 2003)

WindowBlinds can do any visual style that msstyles can since it's a superset. And in fact, with going on 3000 skins for it, there are many many minimalistic skins available.

In short, this is a baseless claim. But you see, because msstyles is so limited in what it can do and because it's Microsoft, then these limitations are "good". You can bet that if the tables were reversed these same people would be claiming that our software was too limited.

Claim: WindowBlinds uses too much memory!

WindowBlinds uses around 2 megabytes less ram when a skin is applied than msstyles does. In short, this claim is simply made up. But we hear it all the time. It's so easy to tell that it's not true, XP has a task manager that shows how much memory is allocated.

Claim: WindowBlinds skins crash my apps!

WindowBlinds uses the same APIs as XP. It's no more likely to crash an app than msstyles is.

Msstyles, as a format, are like .BMP. They get the job done. WindowBlinds is a lot like .PNG files. PNG has advantages over .BMP such as alpha channel support, compression, etc. But if these two formats were remaed .MSIMG and .IMG or something, I bet you would have a lot of people claiming that .BMP is "Better".

The really sad thing is that these overdog worshippers don't realize that if they had their way, they'd likely be worse off. Needless to say, Microsoft doesn't support people hacking their system DLL so that they can patch in additional unsigned msstyle files. The next version of Windows, code-named Longhorn is already available via various "channels" in early beta. Guess what? .msstyles is no longer supported. Microsoft isn't in the skinning business. They make OSes and their top priority is producing a great OS. They have their hands full with compatibility on things that actually matter let alone worrying whether skins made by people who are hacking out their security features to work are going to be taken care of or not.

But imaging if the overdog worshippers got their way and we disappeared. We're the only realistic alternative. Do they really want to be at the mercy of Microsoft? What most people don't realize is that Microsoft's internal culture makes individual developers there very important. The only reason why Windows XP even has an msstyles "format" is because a couple of developers there decided to create a format rather than hard code it. Imagine if they leave? There's no business justification to continue supporting skinning. So if not in Longhorn, at some point, odds are they'd be out of luck. And bear in mind, it took years for WindowBlinds to get to where it is today.

This is just one story in a cosmic book of stories on how there's an increasing tendency for young techies to blindly worship whoever is dominant. An almost innate desire to be on the winning team seems to have gripped the young techie culture. I wonder how many of them have considered the long term implications of such over dog worship.
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Tech Cat
Reply #41 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:31 AM
The Linux revolution is coming.

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kona0197
Reply #42 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:36 AM
amen to that. I love linux almost as much as my OS X.
Tech Cat
Reply #43 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:40 AM
I think Linux would be the best option to replace MS systems because with the open source code, more than one company can produce a a version of Linux. No one company can monopolize the desktop.

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kona0197
Reply #44 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:41 AM
lotr = lord of the rings
Tech Cat
Reply #45 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:45 AM
Speaking of lord of the rings, why don't they have more Pop culture themes here? I would love to have desktop themes of my favorite tv shows, movies, musicians, albums, games, ect.

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kona0197
Reply #46 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:46 AM
sounds good but I bet it has something to do with copyright issues. most will say go to your favorite shows site for walls, ect.
Tech Cat
Reply #47 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:49 AM
Having to e-mail, phone, or write to the producers of your favorite TV show just so you can make a theme would be a pain. Screw copyrights. Just use the arguement that these themes are providing free advertising or something like that.

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kona0197
Reply #48 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:53 AM
I bet jafo would have a thing or two to say about "screwing copyrights"

Anyways i have lotr walls I got them from www.lotr.net without any probs.
Tech Cat
Reply #49 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:56 AM
Too bad they don't have lotr icons and windowblinds skins here. The closet thing to having that is to color cordinate a windowblinds skin and an icon pack with the wallpaper.

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joetheblow
Reply #50 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:40 AM
they would have lotr stuffus here, if lotr would allow it. Contracts, and sub contracts, I would be surprised if they let it happen and not be able to make money off of it. Or in fact lose money for un authorized reprodutions of work done by someone reguardless of whether it premotes them.

There is a gray area. Like fan work on pop culture things like Spider-Man, the Hulk, or Britney Spears. I saw a Avil WB around here somewhere.

But it can't use graphics from a web site, it can I believe, be a representation of the image.


Also, surprisingly, some will give permission if you just ask.


CLARIFACATION
I believe Windowblinds is better than Style XP because of features and the fact it works on older systems (Win 98, 2000)

Just finished reading a arctical on NeoWin about MicroSoft and a state wanting to go open source cause its cheaper. (that's my take on the artical )

The comments on the artical was interesting....
joetheblow
Reply #51 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:43 AM
BTW

I love 2 Stupid Dogs. I know I am making a mini suite for them. I just finished watching an epsisode and I am still laughing.



Ball! Corn!

Who else would look for a bone and travel around the world to find it. Of course it is sitting on top of your head the whole time.

bakerstreet
Reply #52 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:53 AM
"Just use the arguement that these themes are providing free advertising or something like that."

lol, argue... with who? The judge? or your ISP when they shut you down?

**

I have had this creepy image of jj79_1999 and kona0197 being the same person, sitting and talking to himself here on the messageboard...
kona0197
Reply #53 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:05 AM
i assure you were not the same person. I'm on your side remember?
kona0197
Reply #54 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:06 AM
read post 38 and you'll see i tried to tell the guy about copyrights. How many times do i have to say I hate warez, ripping, kazaa, and stealing?
Jafo
Reply #55 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:14 AM
jj79_1999...in this instance, listen to kona0197.
Copyrights IS the issue...
kona0197
Reply #56 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:30 AM
Thanks jafo. I tried so hard to tell him I hope he understands.
IPlural
Reply #57 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:40 AM
Jafo, I guess that it would be BaaaaaBra Walters then?



your bad, but very good at it


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plainsong
Reply #58 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 6:00 AM
I have a lotr screenshot here of a wall made by Juni. He didn't post it because it used too many elements of other people's work, but it turned out nice none-the-less and I posted it so other people could see. Sadly, it's the only decent lotr wall I've ever seen.

As for the topic, I definately agree with Frogboy. Gen Y does tend to follow the leader a bit more, and conform while pretending to rebel.

The one exception was an ex best friend who swore up and down that windowblinds blew up her computer and broke her hard drive, but she had that affect on all her computers.
KarmaGirl
Reply #59 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 7:46 AM
kona0197, are you bipolar or something? In another thread you said:

#86 by kona0197 - 4/21/2003 12:09:58 AM
...I bet I'm not the only one using Kazaa. ...

Then, in this thread you say: "How many times do i have to say I hate warez, ripping, kazaa, and stealing?"

So, you use Kazaa but you hate it? How does that work? Or is it like when you said you hated all Chevy and Fords, but you love your Uncles Chevy and you drive a Ford?

First you say that WindowBlinds doesn't skin everything, but then what you *really* meant was that you couldn't find an aqua clone to skin everything. Hmmm...... not quite the same thing.

Oh, and Bakerstreet, you hit right on the money with post #52. People need to remember that this site is funded by a Corporation. A Corporation which does not wish to be sued for copyright or trademark infringement, and that is why we keep this site clean. If people were to make original art for fan art, than that is different. But taking a copyrighted image and turning it into a wall is not good. If other people want to make a LOTR wallpaper or theme using copyrighted graphics, feel free to host it on your own site.
moshi
Reply #60 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:28 AM
don´t loose your hope. there´s still a good chance to upload copyright infringing material here.
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