All new/updated skins are now Master Skins!

Wednesday, November 16, 2016 by GrandJury | Discussion: WindowBlinds

Here is the new face of skins in Wincustomize now.  All the skins on Page 1 are Master Skins.  Page 2 and Page 3 have only 2 free skins out of 9 on each page.  Guess this is how it all rolls now?

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DaveBax
Reply #21 Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:18 PM

GregII

Why would you want a skin that wasn't a Master skin?

Greg. With the skinners left here all skins are made with the best quality. I know what the others make and the quality is all the same. very good with no shortcuts because it's a free one. Some may be a bit plainer so to speak. I know I upload many more free ones than Master skins. All the people here helped me get to Master. Some with advice and help. The nice comments and downloads. I enjoy giving back with free skins made with the same quality as any skin made.

Saying all the above. I would like to see some skins that needed some work and the skinner needing help. That would mean we have additional skinners trying to work their way up the ladder. Sadly that isn't the case right now.

cardinalsyn_25
Reply #22 Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:40 PM

I would say that the future of windowblinds  is slowly going downhill. Not many skinners anymore, and you have to pay for most of the ones that are  being made.Very sad.

 

SpicyGirl
Reply #23 Thursday, November 17, 2016 9:37 PM

LightStar

That page shows skins by the date they were initially approved or re-approved, simple logic. There are only about 6 skinners left who create Windowblinds skins now. I do free skins often, so does DaveBax and don5318 does all free skins. vStyler no longer does WB skins, basj does occasionally and neone6 and Vampothika only do Master Skins. There are virtually NO other active WB skinners left.

I produce new skins as Master Skins and like I said free skins also, and I am updating all my Master Skins to work with Windows 10 in alphabetical order.  We as skinners have no control as to how they are displayed on the site, and if only Master Skins come in... well that's what users will see.

People continuously pointing this out on the site will make no difference at all, you should be happy there are any WB skinners left at all.

I for one am happy there are still skinners around! With out you guys, there would be no WinCustomize/Stardock.

I wondered about vStyler and some of the others, now I know.

neone6
Reply #24 Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 PM

SpicyGirl

I for one am happy there are still skinners around! With out you guys, there would be no WinCustomize/Stardock.
I'm not going anywhere! 

DaveBax
Reply #25 Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:29 PM

I'm in my 70's. Anyone want to be my Apprentice. LOL.

GrandJury
Reply #26 Friday, November 18, 2016 1:23 AM

With my post I did not realize that I was unleashing a can of worms.

I was just pointing out that WindowBlinds is sprinting towards a dying area and I no longer think that Stardock has a strong leadership in Windows customization.  I think games must be a money maker or else this business proposition is no longer viable.  If I was running Stardock with my money and Windowblinds was my cash cow...considering today's state I would be considering to close shop.  Skinners are what makes WindowBlinds/Object Desktop sell and as almost all of you have mentioned there are "so few left". 

Prejudice aside: Consider that I am a new guy in this area.

1. I look at the software...Okay I need to pay to get the software
2. I look at the skins...Okay I need to pay to get any skins...wtf
3. After a while...I am getting bored I need new skin...pay again...pay again...pay again.

I am no longer interested as the only thing "Consistent" is "I have to pay". 

Finally I move out...Who are the losers in this scenario? Stardock and its skinners.

The best solution now for Stardock is:
1. Hire good skinners to get the excitement of the product going
2. Make skins free to users by paying skinners per skin instead of giving "cents to a dollar" for each Master Skin purchase as LightStar and others have said in other threads.
3. Kill the product as it is no longer profitable as development time vs income from sale is no longer worth the time of development.

* LightStar: Sorry for mentioning your name in this post.  You are one of the only few left who actually give good stuff for free by not making some of your skins a master skin.  My words "skins free to users by paying skinners per skin" was meant for you and don5318 as only the 2 of you have provided free skins in the recent past that is "Decent and useable".  I can make skins too but trust me, if it was my original work you will never want to skin again!

We are already in the stage where 1 of the 3 will start to play out.  Interesting times...
(for those who try to pick meaning from words...I am not predicting doom or anything...just saying that we have reached a new era in skinning where 1 of the 3 scenarios will play out soon). Master skins were a band-aid to keep the excitement of buying WindowBlinds going so that Stardock can sell WindowBlinds but we have reached a point where the band-aid has taken over everything.  Now nothing left as all you can see on the WindowBlinds page is Band-aid/Master skins. 

 

Master skinners...you all have a dedicated group of purchasers which is why you are all seeing $'s in your account and thinking Master skins are the best.  This $ will not go up as there is no excitement created on the product...infact it will go down over time as skin fatigue may occur or people just do not want to spend the money or are short a month or two....No more growth here as Master skins are suffocating and killing everything in and around this concept.

 

 

Gaspershooters
Reply #27 Friday, November 18, 2016 6:03 AM

I think Stardock did hire skinners for free/paid skins per se at years back,the crux is either the market has changed or pies are not good enough or both,SD discontinued the practice.  Trend comes and goes,for those people who like to customize their system will always find the way and stay,those don't,they just stop by and gone. 

neone6
Reply #28 Friday, November 18, 2016 8:22 AM

kushalnagar

1. I look at the software...Okay I need to pay to get the software
2. I look at the skins...Okay I need to pay to get any skins...wtf
3. After a while...I am getting bored I need new skin...pay again...pay again...pay again.
You PAY for a Playstation game console, Then you PAY for the Games. I don't see any difference here. 

-I guess in a perfect world the Games (and The skins we make) would be free, but that's just not the way things work. 

 

Edit:

KUDOS to Lightstar for releasing Free skins, but in my current situation I can't afford to miss out on this extra income, hence I charge for my work.

Vampothika
Reply #29 Friday, November 18, 2016 8:34 AM

kushalnagar

Finally I move out...Who are the losers in this scenario? Stardock and its skinners.

 

You have no idea what your talking about, Stardock has been selling master skins since it began.

The system isnt broken.

Stardock runs a profit from skins and software sales and its a great business plan. And it obvously works

since Brad is successful.

 

You need to accept that people from all over the globe now days earn a living on the internet.

Not just this site, but every site.

 

Living costs money, you really need to wake up and smell reality.

RedneckDude
Reply #30 Friday, November 18, 2016 9:38 AM

Look at things this way. These Master skinners spent years giving away ALL their work. After considerable time and effort, they attain the Master status. (There are 3 other ranks to get through before making Master). Now they have EARNED the ability to get a little, and I mean a little, pay for their years of effort and honing their skills.

Now, I understand that there aren't as many skinners here as there used to be. Due to this fact, most of the ones that are left are long time skinners who have attained the Master rank. So it only follows that most new skins are Master skins.

 

To fix this, and make sure there are free skins available that are up to date, we can do two things:

 

Either those wanting new free skins can start skinning themselves. This would make for more free skins, plus, in time, you could make Master and sell your own. There'd be more variety too.

 

The other thing is just an idea of mine. Masters, don't shoot me, I'm just trying to be the peacemaker.

 

What if Stardock altered the Master skins procedure and made a new rule that every 4th skin had to be free?  (Or something along those lines). I think more new free skins might just revitalize things around here a little.

 

Just an idea. Being a Master, who chooses not to sell skins, it's easy for me to say. But I think it's an idea worth considering.

 

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

LightStar
Reply #31 Friday, November 18, 2016 9:42 AM

OK, this is now becoming one of those stupid to even have been posted threads kushalnagar. Selling my work, as well as other people doing so, may be a necessary source of income. A person should not have to explain the reason they need to sell their work, but here you go. I cannot work, I am a 22 year USAF Retired, 100% Disabled Veteran, 66 years old and still have two others living at home. Enough said, I really need the income, as small as it may be.

Also, there are others who submit free WB skins, DaveBax does too, and his are decent and usable also. I am also looking forward to don5318 becoming  a Master Skinner in the future, his work is excellent. 

 

Please, can someone lock this useless thread?  I really feel like puking. 

Jafo
Reply #32 Friday, November 18, 2016 10:01 AM

kushalnagar

Master skins were a band-aid to keep the excitement of buying WindowBlinds going so that Stardock can sell WindowBlinds but we have reached a point where the band-aid has taken over everything. 

Actually nothing of the sort.

The opportunity given by Stardock to long-time skinners to be reimbursed for all their work/dedication over the years was simple appreciation for their efforts, nothing more.

Long before anyone had reached 'Master level', doom and gloom was being touted by 'experts' with the advent of paid-for skins....[actually before Wincustomize began].

The world didn't end.  15+ years later we're still here.  People are still skinning.  People are still disillusioned by Microsoft's GUI.

Absolutely nothing of that has changed since Windows 8, 8.1, 10......

Nor will it.

Vampothika
Reply #33 Friday, November 18, 2016 10:32 AM

RedneckDude

But I think it's an idea worth considering.

 

Sorry Red, but I dont, some of us skinners NEED that money...period.

 

Its like asking you to forfeit every fourth pension....... dosent make sense does it?

neone6
Reply #34 Friday, November 18, 2016 11:06 AM

Also, It's a contribution to the Site with 30% of the money going to Wincustomize/Stardock and I think that money is doing Good things for EVERYONE.

PixelPunk
Reply #35 Friday, November 18, 2016 1:35 PM

Hot topic!

Good points for all of you.

Windowblinds has changed into a different kind of product... depending on how you want to look at it.

No longer a group hobby oriented product.

There should be a new product fee design...

Make Windowblinds itself free to the casual user, license the skin creator through a fee if they sell it.  If it is a free skin, then no charge  Charge the skin creaters, then they can sell their master skin creations to recoup that cost.  Windowblinds users would not feel they are being double charged.  Master skinners would still get their money that they need, and a whole new generation of WB users would come from the free windowblinds.  In fact, this whole model could be tested on only one Stardock product, windowblinds, which has the highest density of master skins.  Similar free to play models, but in app purchases for those that want the better stuff.  I call it:  "Freemium"

Why not think outside the box to get more users.  More users would end up with more buyers.

Another idea, would be a half off sale of all master skins every once in a while.  Put a product on sale sometime.  Increase number of sales might just be a good thing.  Low sales now?  Maybe... but more volume could over come that.

A free skin everyonce in a while from a master skinner may seem like a waste of time, but the exposure to get someone to try your product out could be just what the doctor ordered.  Some do it.  Although, they are not quite up to par with the pay ones.   Premium skins are untestable, and really don't show the whole picture of what you can get unless you can try it out.  "Gee, that skin looks cool!", buy it, but then come to find out that the skin bar edges are too big for your monitor... has some animation that doesn't look good, or something else that the master skinner has no control over for your particular setup.  I have heard this one before "that feature isn't supported with your version of Windows".  I like some of the master skins, but it's a gamble.  

Maybe wincustomize can change things to where upgraded skins are simply upgraded and left where they were, not forced to the front of the skin que.

 

Thank you all for your work and creations.  

 

 

 

 

SpicyGirl
Reply #36 Friday, November 18, 2016 4:51 PM

neone6

Quoting SpicyGirl,

I for one am happy there are still skinners around! With out you guys, there would be no WinCustomize/Stardock.

I'm not going anywhere! 

Thanks Andy! Love you guys and the work you ALL do is wonderful. I'm on a fixed income but my entertainment is buying my fav skins.

neone6
Reply #37 Friday, November 18, 2016 6:18 PM

SpicyGirl


Quoting neone6,




Quoting SpicyGirl,

Thanks Andy! Love you guys and the work you ALL do is wonderful. I'm on a fixed income but my entertainment is buying my fav skins.

Makes all of us masters happy to hear 

Gaspershooters
Reply #38 Friday, November 18, 2016 8:51 PM

PixelPunk

Hot topic!

Good points for all of you.

Windowblinds has changed into a different kind of product... depending on how you want to look at it.

No longer a group hobby oriented product.............................

 

Familiar dude........https://forums.wincustomize.com/460532/page/1/#replies

DaveBax
Reply #39 Friday, November 18, 2016 9:54 PM

Gaspershooters


Quoting PixelPunk,

Hot topic!

Good points for all of you.

Windowblinds has changed into a different kind of product... depending on how you want to look at it.

No longer a group hobby oriented product.............................




 

Familiar dude........https://forums.wincustomize.com/460532/page/1/#replies

I was looking for that and saw this post. I did laugh and glad you found it first. Funny how his great suggestions always involves free things. OH, one more thing. Mr. Pixel also wants the windowblind program to be free for him. But us Master skinners who want to charge for our skins have to pay for the program.

 

PixelPunk

Maybe wincustomize can change things to where upgraded skins are simply upgraded and left where they were, not forced to the front of the skin que.

Why would one want it left where it was. If you have a WB you update to work on a newer OS, in this case win 10 you need people to know that. This isn't done for the skinner it's done for the people here. If they don't like the skin fine but if they do and can have it work good on another OS they will use it. When it on the beginning of the list people can see it. 

Sorry folks I have been staying away from all these threads saying nothing. Damn tired of everyone wanting everything for free. For 2016 I have 9 free skins and 3 Master skins with another nice free Christmas skin to come in Dec. Last tired of hearing about the quality. I know all the skinners left here making skins. The quality is good on all skins. Not every color combo or design is going to appeal to everyone and that is understandable. Get it out of your heads that with free skins the quality is shit.

RedneckDude
Reply #40 Friday, November 18, 2016 11:09 PM

YOU GO DAVE!!!!

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