GUIOlympics 2003?
Monday, March 24, 2003 by solutiondesign | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Just wondering if there will be a GUI Olympics this year, and if more skinning applications will be entered this year. 
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Frogboy
Reply #22 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:16 PM
Reply #22 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:16 PM
If there is another GUI Olympics, it will be done in a very different way.
So much has changed even in a year.
So much has changed even in a year.
IPlural
Reply #23 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:07 PM
Reply #23 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:07 PM
maybe this time around keep others out of the internal working of it, but opening display the leaders on a link?
Kind of like they used to do when I was into Fooseball tourneys, they had a board for each level of heats, am, pro am, pro, teams the same, who is facing who and the results, double elimination. I don't know how much of that could work into a GUI O, but the basic idea of keeping things right out in the open on a link to it's won page on the site, one that could be linked to from other sites... It could and would be done with an unbiased group of judges, just wouldn't get it all mixed up with all the other sites being in the middle of it. If people had a problem with it, then they wouldn't have to take part in it, all personal choice...
dunno, just an idea...
I am sure others have many, and also Brad and the others from the first time around have loads of understanding of what went BURP before and have ideas on how to avoid it the next time around. But by not being connected to the judging, it would leave old issues out of the picture, and anyone attempting to pull it in could opt not to take part...
Their choice really...
like the saying goes, too many Chiefs ruin the meal and you can not run something like that by consensus or it takes on a nightmarish existence all of it's own...
maybe even do it with double elimination, where just because a skin facing off with another as far as moving up the ladder does not make that cut, it has a chance to make it's way back through the remainder of skins again with the possibility of gaining ground.?.
I dunno, probably screwy thoughts... But there has to be someone(s) with all of your help who could put that end ( the voting ) together, as far a prizes go... that would be a SD issue over all... but for, say 10th - 5th the same prize, 4th and 3rd same same, 2nd something and 1st something else... ?
anyway, I'll be quiet and lurk and learn in this one now
Kind of like they used to do when I was into Fooseball tourneys, they had a board for each level of heats, am, pro am, pro, teams the same, who is facing who and the results, double elimination. I don't know how much of that could work into a GUI O, but the basic idea of keeping things right out in the open on a link to it's won page on the site, one that could be linked to from other sites... It could and would be done with an unbiased group of judges, just wouldn't get it all mixed up with all the other sites being in the middle of it. If people had a problem with it, then they wouldn't have to take part in it, all personal choice...
dunno, just an idea...
I am sure others have many, and also Brad and the others from the first time around have loads of understanding of what went BURP before and have ideas on how to avoid it the next time around. But by not being connected to the judging, it would leave old issues out of the picture, and anyone attempting to pull it in could opt not to take part...
Their choice really...
like the saying goes, too many Chiefs ruin the meal and you can not run something like that by consensus or it takes on a nightmarish existence all of it's own...
maybe even do it with double elimination, where just because a skin facing off with another as far as moving up the ladder does not make that cut, it has a chance to make it's way back through the remainder of skins again with the possibility of gaining ground.?.
I dunno, probably screwy thoughts... But there has to be someone(s) with all of your help who could put that end ( the voting ) together, as far a prizes go... that would be a SD issue over all... but for, say 10th - 5th the same prize, 4th and 3rd same same, 2nd something and 1st something else... ?
anyway, I'll be quiet and lurk and learn in this one now
_5480
Reply #25 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:05 PM
Reply #25 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:05 PM
I was never around for the first GUI Olympics so I don't know what the story is...but a new GUI Olympics seems like a great idea! All you need is a panel of set judges who base each submission using the same critique and scale. If there will be too many submissions, you simply break it down into categories like the way you categorize them in the WB Library. I would love to see a new GUI Olympics once WB4 is released. It seems to me skinning is becoming more and more mainstream each and every day. I bought ODNT in January, and just up until now, it seems so much bigger than it was then.
Styl-X Design
Reply #26 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 2:36 AM
Reply #26 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 2:36 AM
Yeah, can't we organise a "gui olympics" on Wincustomize, we open a new libary, there you can upload your gui, and the rating system will do their job, or admins, if they have a verry little bit of time left...
craeonics
Reply #27 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:53 AM
Reply #27 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:53 AM
Wait a sec, Hippy, how can you lob a WinAmp3 skin? I haven't been able to grasp anything digital with my hands yet.
IPlural
Reply #28 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:34 AM
Winamp for Palmtop?
I dunno, but I can already drown a berlap bag of menu bars
wonder how far I could get them with a hammer throw?
Reply #28 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:34 AM
Winamp for Palmtop? I dunno, but I can already drown a berlap bag of menu bars
wonder how far I could get them with a hammer throw?
Aqua.
Reply #29 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:15 PM
Reply #29 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:15 PM
WOM, at the time I thought they were lame because I saw better stuff fairly often on WC then fairly often.
Trying to interpret your reply, you're saying it was mostly a management problem?
Trying to interpret your reply, you're saying it was mostly a management problem?
Aqua.
Reply #30 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:18 PM
Reply #30 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:18 PM
With regards to future GUI Olympics, I think the names and homes of the entrants should be hidden until final results are revealed.
This way (hopefully) the skins will be judged more on merit than who they were made by or where they're from.
This way (hopefully) the skins will be judged more on merit than who they were made by or where they're from.
KarmaGirl
Reply #31 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:47 PM
Reply #31 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:47 PM
craeonics, to lob a skin:
1) print it out on paper
2) tape paper to brick
3) throw at object of choice
4) repeat steps 1-3 until you gain your sanity back (if you ever had it)
1) print it out on paper
2) tape paper to brick
3) throw at object of choice
4) repeat steps 1-3 until you gain your sanity back (if you ever had it)
IPlural
Reply #32 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:52 PM
Aqua, yes it should be a blind vote for sure and exactly for the reasons you state.
Isn't that how it worked last time?
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Ms Karmagirl !!!
always the logical one, distinctively creative and part greae monkey too !
Reply #32 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:52 PM
Aqua, yes it should be a blind vote for sure and exactly for the reasons you state.
Isn't that how it worked last time?
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Ms Karmagirl
!!!always the logical one, distinctively creative and part greae monkey too !
davad70
Reply #34 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:20 PM
Reply #34 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:20 PM
It's rather silly to start debating what the rules should be for the next contest, when in all likelihood there won't be another.
Anyways....do you honestly think that everyone wouldn't be able to tell who the author is just from seeing the skin? With a few exceptions,most of the more well known skinners have very distinct looks to their skins.
Anyways....do you honestly think that everyone wouldn't be able to tell who the author is just from seeing the skin? With a few exceptions,most of the more well known skinners have very distinct looks to their skins.
IPlural
Reply #35 Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:35 AM
Reply #35 Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:35 AM
yes...
and, that option is still a possibility, which is indicated by the following...
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#25 by Admin Frogboy - 3/25/2003 9:16:14 PM
If there is another GUI Olympics, it will be done in a very different way.
So much has changed even in a year.
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so...
I do think it is a possibility, yes, and I also think that if people take an active part in being positive about it before, during and after, it has even more of a chance of coming about and maybe evolving into a yearly event which could be not only fun but a positive driving force behind more people getting into skinning and driving those already in it to higher levels of skill and creativeness.
and, that option is still a possibility, which is indicated by the following...
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#25 by Admin Frogboy - 3/25/2003 9:16:14 PM
If there is another GUI Olympics, it will be done in a very different way.
So much has changed even in a year.
"
so...
I do think it is a possibility, yes, and I also think that if people take an active part in being positive about it before, during and after, it has even more of a chance of coming about and maybe evolving into a yearly event which could be not only fun but a positive driving force behind more people getting into skinning and driving those already in it to higher levels of skill and creativeness.
joetheblow
Reply #36 Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:03 PM
Reply #36 Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:03 PM
I still think it should be in 2006
But what about 2004? We'll call it the winter games.
anyway, I am sure there can be a GUI olympics, but I guess, it would have to be very different from last time.
Who will vote? How will it be handled? I have no idea.
I would love to host a olympics, but the winners wouldn['t get anything but a banner that says winner and reconition. Maybe a contract to make more skins??? Or turn it into a skin siute>
can we all just get allong?
But what about 2004? We'll call it the winter games.
anyway, I am sure there can be a GUI olympics, but I guess, it would have to be very different from last time.
Who will vote? How will it be handled? I have no idea.
I would love to host a olympics, but the winners wouldn['t get anything but a banner that says winner and reconition. Maybe a contract to make more skins??? Or turn it into a skin siute>
can we all just get allong?
mossedmoon
Reply #37 Sunday, March 30, 2003 9:10 AM
Reply #37 Sunday, March 30, 2003 9:10 AM
If I remember right (I probably don't), there was mention that the next Olympics might be centered around WinAmp. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong. Also I think Frogboy's stomach may be doin flipflops at the thought of it, as there was, how shall I put it, a certain degree of controversy last time around...
grayhaze
Reply #38 Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:17 PM
Reply #38 Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:17 PM
I'd love to see another GUI Olympics, but purely as an onlooker since I gave up making my 'lame' WindowBlinds skins... 
The problem with the original contest came down to the rules not being set in stone from the start, and being completely open to interpretation. Some of the people who caused a fuss, myself included, were doing so in an effort to get an unambiguous set of rules drawn up before it was too late. There were also major flaws in the judging system which caused many unexpected problems. The participation of the public, potential bias of the judges, and open advertising of which sites the skins were affiliated with were some of the most heated debating points.
Obviously there wouldn't be much point in trying to hide the author of a skin, but openly admitting which site they were representing caused huge problems when combined with the public vote.
The problems encountered weren't so huge that they couldn't be easily eliminated in another contest, and I think everyone accepted that the first Olympics were to be a learning experience for all. The main hurdles to get over now would be financial backing and organisation of the event. I'd certainly be willing to help with the latter.
The problem with the original contest came down to the rules not being set in stone from the start, and being completely open to interpretation. Some of the people who caused a fuss, myself included, were doing so in an effort to get an unambiguous set of rules drawn up before it was too late. There were also major flaws in the judging system which caused many unexpected problems. The participation of the public, potential bias of the judges, and open advertising of which sites the skins were affiliated with were some of the most heated debating points.
Obviously there wouldn't be much point in trying to hide the author of a skin, but openly admitting which site they were representing caused huge problems when combined with the public vote.
The problems encountered weren't so huge that they couldn't be easily eliminated in another contest, and I think everyone accepted that the first Olympics were to be a learning experience for all. The main hurdles to get over now would be financial backing and organisation of the event. I'd certainly be willing to help with the latter.
joetheblow
Reply #39 Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:42 PM
Reply #39 Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:42 PM
wait a minute...
why does any skinner have to be represented by a site?
why does any skinner have to be represented by a site?
Hell Dragon
Reply #40 Sunday, March 30, 2003 7:19 PM
Reply #40 Sunday, March 30, 2003 7:19 PM
Because that was the whole idea... as it is with the real Olympics (i.e. you represent your 'country' - e.g. a Skinning Community).
If it was everyone representing only themselves then it would just be 'any old contest'.
Another cool thing about it was that you got 50% of your prize and the skin site you represented got the other 50%... so everyone benefited really.
Skin sites are expensive to run because of bandwidth so any money won just went straight back into the site(s)... and the skinner got to feel that he was giving something back to his favourite community.
It was designed that way to create some healthy, friendly competition between the Skinning/Graphics sites and get new people into skinning... and really just for some Fun and to see what people came up with
If it was everyone representing only themselves then it would just be 'any old contest'.
Another cool thing about it was that you got 50% of your prize and the skin site you represented got the other 50%... so everyone benefited really.
Skin sites are expensive to run because of bandwidth so any money won just went straight back into the site(s)... and the skinner got to feel that he was giving something back to his favourite community.
It was designed that way to create some healthy, friendly competition between the Skinning/Graphics sites and get new people into skinning... and really just for some Fun and to see what people came up with
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Reply #21 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:22 PM