US is going to war tomarrow... dang...
Sunday, March 16, 2003 by IPlural | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
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DavidK
Reply #1662 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 2:36 AM
Reply #1662 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 2:36 AM
Joe, here's some current articles that deal with Afghanistan.
From a Pakistani newspaper: Taliban regrouping in Afghanistan http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_15-4-2003_pg4_9
Sabawoon.com, an Afgan newspaper: "The last place we liberated" http://www.sabawoon.com/articles.asp?id=12995&view=detail
A list of stories from the New York Times: http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=geo&v1=AFGHANISTAN&fdq=19960101&td=sysdate&sort=newest&ac=AFGHANISTAN
Some good news from Afghanistan in the India Times: Free Afghans find their voice - in writing http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=43458217
An editorial (more about Iraq than Afghanistan) from Truthout.org: How America Lost the War http://truthout.org/docs_03/041503A.shtml
From a Pakistani newspaper: Taliban regrouping in Afghanistan http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_15-4-2003_pg4_9
Sabawoon.com, an Afgan newspaper: "The last place we liberated" http://www.sabawoon.com/articles.asp?id=12995&view=detail
A list of stories from the New York Times: http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=geo&v1=AFGHANISTAN&fdq=19960101&td=sysdate&sort=newest&ac=AFGHANISTAN
Some good news from Afghanistan in the India Times: Free Afghans find their voice - in writing http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=43458217
An editorial (more about Iraq than Afghanistan) from Truthout.org: How America Lost the War http://truthout.org/docs_03/041503A.shtml
joetheblow
Reply #1663 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 2:58 AM
Reply #1663 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 2:58 AM
Thanks! I will read and find.
IPlural, where did you go off to? Didn't you see bakerstreet's last post because Iraqis don't have real fait in Islam?
I heard he secretly likes Saddam and is hiding him in a undisclosed location. Ohhh bakerstreet why????
I know he is on a secret mission to find WMD's because it is clearly taking to long in Iraq to find them.
Haven't seen paxx here for a while. I have a threry that he is a splinter cell and is be 'gone' for a couple of days. All of a sudden Saddam is found... dead... in bakerstreet's house.
The house is pink by the way.
IPlural, where did you go off to? Didn't you see bakerstreet's last post because Iraqis don't have real fait in Islam?
I heard he secretly likes Saddam and is hiding him in a undisclosed location. Ohhh bakerstreet why????
I know he is on a secret mission to find WMD's because it is clearly taking to long in Iraq to find them.
Haven't seen paxx here for a while. I have a threry that he is a splinter cell and is be 'gone' for a couple of days. All of a sudden Saddam is found... dead... in bakerstreet's house.
The house is pink by the way.
IPlural
Reply #1664 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 5:49 AM
Reply #1664 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 5:49 AM
Hi Joe, had to go up to Maine to get some things together.
I have to catch up on the thread.
I have to catch up on the thread.
DavidK
Reply #1665 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 9:44 AM
Reply #1665 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 9:44 AM
From the NYT an article by Paul Krugman that speaks of the administration's record in Afghanistan and the US: "Conquest and Neglect http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/opinion/11KRUG.html
"The scary thing is that this slash-and-burn approach to governing may continue to work for Mr. Bush's people because the initial triumphs get all the headlines. Unfortunately, the rest of the world has to live in the wreckage they leave behind."
And before you assume the only people that feel this way are 'whackos' here's one from Pres. Bush Sr.'s Secretary of State, Lawrence Eagleburger: Bush Should be Impeached if He Attacks Syria http://truthout.org/docs_03/041603A.shtml
Lawrence Eagleburger, Secretary of State under George Bush Senior, said American public opinion would not tolerate action against Syria or Iran.
"If President Bush were to try it now, even I would feel he should be impeached. You can't get away with that sort off thing in a democracy."
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but he did, in Iraq, in the elimination of worldwide treaties and cooperation on environmental issues and weapons proliferation -- and in Florida in the 2000 election. So what are we waiting for Mr. Eagleburger... let's impeach him now.
"The scary thing is that this slash-and-burn approach to governing may continue to work for Mr. Bush's people because the initial triumphs get all the headlines. Unfortunately, the rest of the world has to live in the wreckage they leave behind."
And before you assume the only people that feel this way are 'whackos' here's one from Pres. Bush Sr.'s Secretary of State, Lawrence Eagleburger: Bush Should be Impeached if He Attacks Syria http://truthout.org/docs_03/041603A.shtml
Lawrence Eagleburger, Secretary of State under George Bush Senior, said American public opinion would not tolerate action against Syria or Iran.
"If President Bush were to try it now, even I would feel he should be impeached. You can't get away with that sort off thing in a democracy."
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but he did, in Iraq, in the elimination of worldwide treaties and cooperation on environmental issues and weapons proliferation -- and in Florida in the 2000 election. So what are we waiting for Mr. Eagleburger... let's impeach him now.
joetheblow
Reply #1666 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 11:29 AM
Reply #1666 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 11:29 AM
We need more evedience for impeachment.
Not that I liked Bush and piticularly his administration, but they sure do know how to handle a war.
I do think, though, the American puplic would go for the Seria angle pretty easily. Maybe not Iran. So we could find oursevles at war just in time for elections. Go figure. Seria has been a problem for a long time though, I wouldn't be surprised, piticularly if they are actually holding top Iraqi goverment officials. (I was wondering where excaclty would they run to? Not Iran, or Turkey, Seria is the best option, I guess.)
When the economy becomes the news story of the day, Iraq probaly will lost in the mix... at least on TV.
The Afganistan angle is getting my attention now. Although the pipeline thing isn't so unusual. That pipeline can be Afganistans money maker hopefully for the people of Afganistan.
I'm tired. I need sleep.
Not that I liked Bush and piticularly his administration, but they sure do know how to handle a war.
I do think, though, the American puplic would go for the Seria angle pretty easily. Maybe not Iran. So we could find oursevles at war just in time for elections. Go figure. Seria has been a problem for a long time though, I wouldn't be surprised, piticularly if they are actually holding top Iraqi goverment officials. (I was wondering where excaclty would they run to? Not Iran, or Turkey, Seria is the best option, I guess.)
When the economy becomes the news story of the day, Iraq probaly will lost in the mix... at least on TV.
The Afganistan angle is getting my attention now. Although the pipeline thing isn't so unusual. That pipeline can be Afganistans money maker hopefully for the people of Afganistan.
I'm tired. I need sleep.
Bangkokboy
Reply #1667 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:05 PM
Reply #1667 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:05 PM
There's still Syria, Iran, North Korea ......
Texas... -wombat
we're keeping notes, oh great furry marsupial.
Texas... -wombat
we're keeping notes, oh great furry marsupial.
bakerstreet
Reply #1668 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 1:22 PM
Reply #1668 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 1:22 PM
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030415-031243-2104r
cosmo-alpha
Reply #1669 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 1:37 PM
Reply #1669 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 1:37 PM
I think we have another war casualty... I can't find the COOL skins by Oblivicon anymore 
And on another note... To all you Vets out there... Thanks. That sound you heard was a salute.
And on another note... To all you Vets out there... Thanks. That sound you heard was a salute.
joetheblow
Reply #1670 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 6:08 PM
Reply #1670 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 6:08 PM
Bakerstreet, are you hiding links from us? where did that one come from?
So is this where you get your news from?
So is this where you get your news from?
Jafo
Reply #1671 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 6:22 PM
Reply #1671 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 6:22 PM
Hey, Joe.....
Where you goin' with that gun in your hand?....
Where you goin' with that gun in your hand?....
joetheblow
Reply #1673 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 7:10 PM
Reply #1673 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 7:10 PM
Too many unanswered questions Jafo...
way too many...
way too many...
queezendorf
Reply #1674 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 7:45 PM
Reply #1674 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 7:45 PM
sheesh people take offense... but really doesn't the media talk about this enough? .. besides I'm bored why not watch people complain/argue... jerry springer is just as much fun =P! heheh
bakerstreet
Reply #1676 Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:12 AM
Reply #1676 Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:12 AM
Ah, peace...
"What began as a largely peaceful rally turned violent when several hundred protesters broke away, hurling gasoline bombs at police and smashing storefronts. They also set fire to a bank and threw rocks at the British Embassy." -- www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2571776,00.html
yup, that'll show'em. You can bet those greek police, merchants, and bank owners will think twice before they try and invade Iraq...
"What began as a largely peaceful rally turned violent when several hundred protesters broke away, hurling gasoline bombs at police and smashing storefronts. They also set fire to a bank and threw rocks at the British Embassy." -- www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2571776,00.html
yup, that'll show'em. You can bet those greek police, merchants, and bank owners will think twice before they try and invade Iraq...
bakerstreet
Reply #1677 Friday, April 18, 2003 4:37 AM
Reply #1677 Friday, April 18, 2003 4:37 AM
omg!!! 41 hours.... that had to be some kind of record...
craeonics
Reply #1678 Friday, April 18, 2003 5:49 AM
Reply #1678 Friday, April 18, 2003 5:49 AM
Everyone's just taking a break before the raid on Syria starts. Sun is shining, weather is good, etcetera.
joetheblow
Reply #1679 Friday, April 18, 2003 2:19 PM
Reply #1679 Friday, April 18, 2003 2:19 PM
yup.
pretty sunny over here.
any predections on Syria? 10 months from now? It has to fit in bush's schedule. Re-election schedule that is.
pretty sunny over here.
any predections on Syria? 10 months from now? It has to fit in bush's schedule. Re-election schedule that is.
bakerstreet
Reply #1680 Friday, April 18, 2003 3:44 PM
Reply #1680 Friday, April 18, 2003 3:44 PM
Nah, the US isn't gonna do anything to Syria. Too expensive, if nothing else.
When Syria claims to want a Middle East free from WMD, what they are really saying is that Israel needs to get rid of their arsenal of such. That is the 'balance' excuse many arab states have for seeking WMD. Without them, Israel could be overrun by the sheer weight of their neighbors, though.
If Israel gets fed up with rocket attacks from Lebanon, or if Hezbollah uses a weapon that is nastier than normal, there is a very real possibility that they will strike back at Damascus. When that happens everyone will need to take sides, I'm afraid.
I'm pretty much leaving the question of Israel's legitimacy up to social evolution. I don't like how it was created, and why, but the fact is, they *do* exist, and nothing short of horror is gonna change that. If Israel is attacked with WMD, then they would probably react in a way that would leave a serious mark on history. I have no idea what might happen then.
When Syria claims to want a Middle East free from WMD, what they are really saying is that Israel needs to get rid of their arsenal of such. That is the 'balance' excuse many arab states have for seeking WMD. Without them, Israel could be overrun by the sheer weight of their neighbors, though.
If Israel gets fed up with rocket attacks from Lebanon, or if Hezbollah uses a weapon that is nastier than normal, there is a very real possibility that they will strike back at Damascus. When that happens everyone will need to take sides, I'm afraid.
I'm pretty much leaving the question of Israel's legitimacy up to social evolution. I don't like how it was created, and why, but the fact is, they *do* exist, and nothing short of horror is gonna change that. If Israel is attacked with WMD, then they would probably react in a way that would leave a serious mark on history. I have no idea what might happen then.
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Reply #1661 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 2:12 AM