US is going to war tomarrow... dang...
Sunday, March 16, 2003 by IPlural | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
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JamMeister33
Reply #1622 Sunday, April 13, 2003 8:43 AM
Reply #1622 Sunday, April 13, 2003 8:43 AM
Uh oh, I see a whole new line of arguing about to start here...... this thread might take over to vie for longest....
bakerstreet
Reply #1623 Sunday, April 13, 2003 1:46 PM
Reply #1623 Sunday, April 13, 2003 1:46 PM
i'm back...
Everything that everyone does is 'in their own interest', or they wouldn't do it. Being responsible is deciding whose interest the action is *counter* to. If you pretend that oil is the point, the world is still bettered by removing Saddam Hussein. Those opposed to the war leave him in place and make him wealthier and stronger militarily... oh, and they get the oil, too. Why talk about it? That part is over.
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I really wonder if people know what the word 'economy' means.
Gang-related crime has little to do with the economy. If it isn't crack it is untaxed alcohol and cigarettes, guns, gambling, or prostitution. If you don't like it blame the idiots that buy their products. If anything, prosperity in crime mirrors legitimate prosperity... they don't don't barter for their crack, do they?
My wife works in a hospital, so I have a healthy amount of skepticism about the 'dying in the waiting room' thing. You can't lay inept management at the feet of the economy. For every horror-show waiting room there is one across town that does a great job. If a half-dozen grey-haired dinosaurs are getting paid $200,000 a year to 'make administrative decisions' and they can't afford enough attending staff, the economy is not to blame.
I pay about $500 a month for health insurance. My wife is abused constantly by wealthy people who refuse to pay a $10 co-pay for an office visit, or because a patient's insurance doesn't cover Rogain. Insurance covers Viagra, for God's sake, you are surprised it is expensive? I'll say it again, when a poor person can't afford insurance, part of the high cost is PAYING FOR WHITEBREAD AMERICA'S VIAGRA. Sick? Yes. A limp economy? Hardly. I know several people that can't afford health insurance but wouldn't be caught *dead* in a used car...
Is that a problem with the 'economy'? People think that acts-of-God, malpractice or car accidents are lotteries; slip at McDonald's? PAYDAY! The economy's fault? Nah, blame the legal system. You have a medical degree so you are entitled to a BMW... is that a government mandate? No, so why blame them for it?
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When you see construction companies going out of business, and when you see car dealerships shutting down, and when you can get a decent parking place at Best Buy, then worry. If the average person has the money to keep places like that in business, then they most certainly aren't going hungry.
Everything that everyone does is 'in their own interest', or they wouldn't do it. Being responsible is deciding whose interest the action is *counter* to. If you pretend that oil is the point, the world is still bettered by removing Saddam Hussein. Those opposed to the war leave him in place and make him wealthier and stronger militarily... oh, and they get the oil, too. Why talk about it? That part is over.
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I really wonder if people know what the word 'economy' means.
Gang-related crime has little to do with the economy. If it isn't crack it is untaxed alcohol and cigarettes, guns, gambling, or prostitution. If you don't like it blame the idiots that buy their products. If anything, prosperity in crime mirrors legitimate prosperity... they don't don't barter for their crack, do they?
My wife works in a hospital, so I have a healthy amount of skepticism about the 'dying in the waiting room' thing. You can't lay inept management at the feet of the economy. For every horror-show waiting room there is one across town that does a great job. If a half-dozen grey-haired dinosaurs are getting paid $200,000 a year to 'make administrative decisions' and they can't afford enough attending staff, the economy is not to blame.
I pay about $500 a month for health insurance. My wife is abused constantly by wealthy people who refuse to pay a $10 co-pay for an office visit, or because a patient's insurance doesn't cover Rogain. Insurance covers Viagra, for God's sake, you are surprised it is expensive? I'll say it again, when a poor person can't afford insurance, part of the high cost is PAYING FOR WHITEBREAD AMERICA'S VIAGRA. Sick? Yes. A limp economy? Hardly. I know several people that can't afford health insurance but wouldn't be caught *dead* in a used car...
Is that a problem with the 'economy'? People think that acts-of-God, malpractice or car accidents are lotteries; slip at McDonald's? PAYDAY! The economy's fault? Nah, blame the legal system. You have a medical degree so you are entitled to a BMW... is that a government mandate? No, so why blame them for it?
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When you see construction companies going out of business, and when you see car dealerships shutting down, and when you can get a decent parking place at Best Buy, then worry. If the average person has the money to keep places like that in business, then they most certainly aren't going hungry.
sig101
Reply #1624 Sunday, April 13, 2003 1:46 PM
Reply #1624 Sunday, April 13, 2003 1:46 PM
Paxx, of course there are a number of reasons for the US' position. Geopolitical strategy and interests included which I suspect is more a part of it than the simple "it's just about oil" explanation. It would significantly increase US leverage in the area if there is a more US friendly gov't in Iraq. For example. Syria and Jordan had deals with Iraq for cheap oil in exchange for other favors. Iraq also provided a market for other nations' products, apparently Jordan for example has benefited from exports to Iraq. A change in regime in Iraq could significantly influence some of the political/economic factors to the US' advantage in terms of the other gov'ts in the region. At least, that's evidently what the US hopes for.
As for SA, I believe the US has been using the air base in SA during this for some air command and control operations. They are using the base, but I don't think they're flying planes out of there. SA wants their cooperation on a low profile, just as Jordan also doesn't want their support publicized although the US has been using an airbase in Jordan. SA and Jordan have their own radical elements to deal with (although in SA's case they had no problem exporting and supporting the movement as long as others were the target) and Jordan did have protests when people noticed US air operations at an airbase there. Also, again, with a more US friendly gov't in Iraq, the US could have some more leverage with SA and I think the Saudis are well aware of that.
As for SA, I believe the US has been using the air base in SA during this for some air command and control operations. They are using the base, but I don't think they're flying planes out of there. SA wants their cooperation on a low profile, just as Jordan also doesn't want their support publicized although the US has been using an airbase in Jordan. SA and Jordan have their own radical elements to deal with (although in SA's case they had no problem exporting and supporting the movement as long as others were the target) and Jordan did have protests when people noticed US air operations at an airbase there. Also, again, with a more US friendly gov't in Iraq, the US could have some more leverage with SA and I think the Saudis are well aware of that.
Doreen
Reply #1625 Sunday, April 13, 2003 2:52 PM
Reply #1625 Sunday, April 13, 2003 2:52 PM
hehe Baker (when you can find a decent parking place at Best Buy?) 
well I dunno but you said:
"When you see construction companies going out of business, and when you see car dealerships shutting down, and when you can get a decent parking place at Best Buy, then worry. If the average person has the money to keep places like that in business, then they most certainly aren't going hungry"
by bakerstreet - 4/13/2003 1:46:12 PM
not always the case Baker, did you happen to see the gorgeous palace Saddam lived in? can you imagine his car he was cruising around in cuz according to you if ppl are driving around in fancy expensive cars then all is well in paradise right? well ppl were aparently going hungry...
cosmetic things thrown all around never show what is lurking underneath things... but I don't care for these kinds of discussions so I will let you guys carry on.
I just wanted to say hello to you guys
I still think if ppl would be more compasionate and real for each other the rest all falls into place, after all the ppl that hold the high chairs they are merely "ppl"
well I dunno but you said:
"When you see construction companies going out of business, and when you see car dealerships shutting down, and when you can get a decent parking place at Best Buy, then worry. If the average person has the money to keep places like that in business, then they most certainly aren't going hungry"
by bakerstreet - 4/13/2003 1:46:12 PM
not always the case Baker, did you happen to see the gorgeous palace Saddam lived in? can you imagine his car he was cruising around in cuz according to you if ppl are driving around in fancy expensive cars then all is well in paradise right? well ppl were aparently going hungry...
cosmetic things thrown all around never show what is lurking underneath things... but I don't care for these kinds of discussions so I will let you guys carry on.
I just wanted to say hello to you guys
I still think if ppl would be more compasionate and real for each other the rest all falls into place, after all the ppl that hold the high chairs they are merely "ppl"
Doreen
Reply #1626 Sunday, April 13, 2003 2:56 PM
Reply #1626 Sunday, April 13, 2003 2:56 PM
and I meant to say what has me laughing about some of what I seen w/ all this war stuff is, if everyone seen this man was doing all this sick stuff we had the priviledge to see on TV, such as torture, masacre etc. bla bla bla and apparently everyone in high chairs knew about it and allowed this man to carry on? what does that show about us for sitting back as human being allowing that crap to go on for so long, the problems we have are not political nor economical they are "humanical" hehe
Xerraire
Reply #1627 Sunday, April 13, 2003 3:28 PM
Reply #1627 Sunday, April 13, 2003 3:28 PM
Doreen, I suppose its best to leave each country handle its own problems...but when it became apparent that Saddam had ties with Bin Laden, then we took it personal.
We have problems here, so, we wouldn't want some one on the outside to take upon themselves to 'fix' our problems.
But if you think we should be righting every wrong, then I believe some other thread here about another country in deep trouble as well. Perhaps we should ride in and help them as well.
We have problems here, so, we wouldn't want some one on the outside to take upon themselves to 'fix' our problems.
But if you think we should be righting every wrong, then I believe some other thread here about another country in deep trouble as well. Perhaps we should ride in and help them as well.
queezendorf
Reply #1628 Sunday, April 13, 2003 3:51 PM
Reply #1628 Sunday, April 13, 2003 3:51 PM
blah blah blah blah.. aren't yall tired of this conversation already?
sig101
Reply #1629 Sunday, April 13, 2003 4:04 PM
Reply #1629 Sunday, April 13, 2003 4:04 PM
Xerraire: What ties did Saddam have with Bin Laden? The gov't would love to proclaim that if it had evidence of that and certainly doesn't mind that many people think it's an established fact. But even the Bush administration hasn't claimed that; it has only said that Saddam in future could assist Al Queda and this was a preemptive action to prevent that. The terrorist training camp found in the north which got a lot of press was IIRC in Kurdish territory and was supported by Iran. The one in central Iraq I don't believe has been tied to Al Queda unless you have information that I haven't seen in the press.
Bin Laden had no use for Saddam as a bad Muslim and the head of a secular gov't but of course used the Iraq issue to try to rally support against the US. And Saddam of course wasn't above borrowing from the Bin Laden rhetoric book to try to garner support in the Arab world. And so apparently recruits from other Arab nations have been found in Iraq. But as for direct ties in terms of Saddam supporting Al Queda I don't recall anyone, including the Bush administration and the CIA, claiming or establishing that. That Saddam supported terrorists in Palestine was already well known, no doubt to make his name in the Arab world, although Iran and Syria were the main supporters of those groups.
queezendorf, feel free to ignore this thread just as I do many others. For example, I don't post in the marathon thread asking if people there aren't yet tired of the conversation since obviously they are not.
Bin Laden had no use for Saddam as a bad Muslim and the head of a secular gov't but of course used the Iraq issue to try to rally support against the US. And Saddam of course wasn't above borrowing from the Bin Laden rhetoric book to try to garner support in the Arab world. And so apparently recruits from other Arab nations have been found in Iraq. But as for direct ties in terms of Saddam supporting Al Queda I don't recall anyone, including the Bush administration and the CIA, claiming or establishing that. That Saddam supported terrorists in Palestine was already well known, no doubt to make his name in the Arab world, although Iran and Syria were the main supporters of those groups.
queezendorf, feel free to ignore this thread just as I do many others. For example, I don't post in the marathon thread asking if people there aren't yet tired of the conversation since obviously they are not.
bakerstreet
Reply #1630 Sunday, April 13, 2003 4:26 PM
Reply #1630 Sunday, April 13, 2003 4:26 PM
Economically, Iraq wasn't that bad off. Politically, on the other hand, if you weren't in, you were out. It wasn't their oil, it was Saddam's. He decided who was well-fed. With the second largest oil reserves in the world, poverty would pretty much have to be malicious intent. I think Iraq's problem was more of a lack of an economy...
Even with the much-maligned 1% of Americans owning the majority of the wealth, no money is being withheld from anyone here. It flows freely. If you don't like those pockets in which it accumulates, then by all means try really hard to reduce the amount you send there. It is very possible to reduce the amount of money you send to that 1%. You might not like the extra trouble you have to go to, though, and you shouldn't forget how many people that 1% employ...
As i said, when consumers stop spending money, take notice. When they gut interest rates *and* people still aren't spending money, worry. All I hear is talk, frankly. Economic weather. 'Consumer confidence' is like a self-fulfilling prophecy, the more you scare people the more scared they'll be.
Even with the much-maligned 1% of Americans owning the majority of the wealth, no money is being withheld from anyone here. It flows freely. If you don't like those pockets in which it accumulates, then by all means try really hard to reduce the amount you send there. It is very possible to reduce the amount of money you send to that 1%. You might not like the extra trouble you have to go to, though, and you shouldn't forget how many people that 1% employ...
As i said, when consumers stop spending money, take notice. When they gut interest rates *and* people still aren't spending money, worry. All I hear is talk, frankly. Economic weather. 'Consumer confidence' is like a self-fulfilling prophecy, the more you scare people the more scared they'll be.
moshi
Reply #1631 Sunday, April 13, 2003 4:34 PM
Reply #1631 Sunday, April 13, 2003 4:34 PM
and don´t forget to check your emails as soon as you run out of money. plenty of of mails offering you fast cash and new credit cards. 
someone needs to do better programming here, not much sense sending this crap to a .de address.
someone needs to do better programming here, not much sense sending this crap to a .de address.
Xerraire
Reply #1632 Sunday, April 13, 2003 4:59 PM
Reply #1632 Sunday, April 13, 2003 4:59 PM
Colin Powell said that Iraq has offered Al Qaeda a "safe haven" in northeast Iraq, and that there is also a poison production site there.
Captured Iraqi soldiers have told British interrogators that members of al-Qaeda are in the town of Az Zubayr co-ordinating grenade and gun attacks on coalition positions.
A U.S.-led assault on a compound controlled by an Iraqi-based extremist Islamic group has turned up a list of names of suspected militants living in the United States, linking the group to al-Qaida.
Evidence has been found in the Kurdish-controlled regions of northern Iraq that the Islamic militant group Ansar al-Islam was working on three types of chlorine gas and ricin and has ties to Al Qaeda.
Officials said that between 75 and 150 Al Qaeda members have been captured or killed in northern Iraq in recent days.
I don't know, I think there are a few ties, and likely more to come out.
Captured Iraqi soldiers have told British interrogators that members of al-Qaeda are in the town of Az Zubayr co-ordinating grenade and gun attacks on coalition positions.
A U.S.-led assault on a compound controlled by an Iraqi-based extremist Islamic group has turned up a list of names of suspected militants living in the United States, linking the group to al-Qaida.
Evidence has been found in the Kurdish-controlled regions of northern Iraq that the Islamic militant group Ansar al-Islam was working on three types of chlorine gas and ricin and has ties to Al Qaeda.
Officials said that between 75 and 150 Al Qaeda members have been captured or killed in northern Iraq in recent days.
I don't know, I think there are a few ties, and likely more to come out.
moshi
Reply #1633 Sunday, April 13, 2003 5:23 PM
Reply #1633 Sunday, April 13, 2003 5:23 PM
somehow this does not fit.
why should those Ansar al-Islam group try to produce Chlorine when they have good relations with Saddam who should have production sites for much more poisonous chemical weapons?
i guess small terrorist groups like to have material around that explain how to produce chemical weapons. actually nothing really special, that material can all be found on the internet. like teenagers with copies of the Anarchist Cookbook or the Poor Mans James Bond. makes them feel cool i guess.
why should those Ansar al-Islam group try to produce Chlorine when they have good relations with Saddam who should have production sites for much more poisonous chemical weapons?
i guess small terrorist groups like to have material around that explain how to produce chemical weapons. actually nothing really special, that material can all be found on the internet. like teenagers with copies of the Anarchist Cookbook or the Poor Mans James Bond. makes them feel cool i guess.
moshi
Reply #1634 Sunday, April 13, 2003 5:23 PM
Reply #1634 Sunday, April 13, 2003 5:23 PM
somehow this does not fit.
why should those Ansar al-Islam group try to produce Chlorine when they have good relations with Saddam who should have production sites for much more poisonous chemical weapons?
i guess small terrorist groups like to have material around that explain how to produce chemical weapons. actually nothing really special, that material can all be found on the internet. like teenagers with copies of the Anarchist Cookbook or the Poor Mans James Bond. makes them feel cool i guess.
why should those Ansar al-Islam group try to produce Chlorine when they have good relations with Saddam who should have production sites for much more poisonous chemical weapons?
i guess small terrorist groups like to have material around that explain how to produce chemical weapons. actually nothing really special, that material can all be found on the internet. like teenagers with copies of the Anarchist Cookbook or the Poor Mans James Bond. makes them feel cool i guess.
sig101
Reply #1635 Sunday, April 13, 2003 5:43 PM
Reply #1635 Sunday, April 13, 2003 5:43 PM
X: Yes, that camp in the northeast is the one I mentioned. It's in Iraq but it doesn't mean that Saddam necessarily supported them. Just as the Kurdish territory is in Iraq but was not all under Saddam's control and direction. They're Islamic radicals supported by Iran, where many of them zipped back to when they came under attack. And the war is with Saddam, not Iran at this point. They may well have ties with Al Queda and that wouldn't be surprising. That's not the same as saying that Iraq (the gov't) and Saddam had ties and was supporting Al Queda and that's why the US wanted to take him out. Saddam did not have much interest in fostering radical religious zealots on his home turf that wanted to set up an Islamic state since that would pose a threat to his power.
As for the other fighters, during the lead up to the war Iraq publicly recruited and encouraged Arabs from other nations to go to Iraq to oppose the coalition. Those are the Arabs the Iraqi's call "the foreigners" when they rat them out to coalition troops. Apparently the US is still catching busloads of them coming across the border from Syria. That some of them may be Al Queda and AQ sypathizers is not surprising as Bin Laden for his own purposes (attacking the US and getting more recruits for AQ) also encouraged fighters to go to Iraq. But again, that's not the same as saying that previously Saddam was in cahoots with Al Queda and that's why the US attacked him. The US has repeatedly said that this was a preemptive action, to prevent such potential future support. The Administration did not say that Saddam had actively supported Al Queda in the past. The head of the CIA was quesioned in Congressional hearings and he said there was no evidence of that. So far anyway what connections to AQ have been found in Iraq do not tie Saddam to Bin Laden in the manner you suggest.
There has been ample evidence for years, however, that our friends the Saudis have indeed provided direct significant material support to Al Queda, yet so far we haven't seen the Administration talk about regime change in SA. Although no doubt the Saudis have been given something to think about after recent events.
As for the other fighters, during the lead up to the war Iraq publicly recruited and encouraged Arabs from other nations to go to Iraq to oppose the coalition. Those are the Arabs the Iraqi's call "the foreigners" when they rat them out to coalition troops. Apparently the US is still catching busloads of them coming across the border from Syria. That some of them may be Al Queda and AQ sypathizers is not surprising as Bin Laden for his own purposes (attacking the US and getting more recruits for AQ) also encouraged fighters to go to Iraq. But again, that's not the same as saying that previously Saddam was in cahoots with Al Queda and that's why the US attacked him. The US has repeatedly said that this was a preemptive action, to prevent such potential future support. The Administration did not say that Saddam had actively supported Al Queda in the past. The head of the CIA was quesioned in Congressional hearings and he said there was no evidence of that. So far anyway what connections to AQ have been found in Iraq do not tie Saddam to Bin Laden in the manner you suggest.
There has been ample evidence for years, however, that our friends the Saudis have indeed provided direct significant material support to Al Queda, yet so far we haven't seen the Administration talk about regime change in SA. Although no doubt the Saudis have been given something to think about after recent events.
sig101
Reply #1636 Sunday, April 13, 2003 6:21 PM
Reply #1636 Sunday, April 13, 2003 6:21 PM
Info from Human Rights Watch on Ansar al-Islam. The "safe haven" that Powell was speaking of in NE Iraq was an Ansar camp in a Kurdish controlled area. http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/mena/ansarbk020503.htm
Again, this in itself doesn't look like a smoking gun connecting Saddam and his regime to Al Qaeda.
Again, this in itself doesn't look like a smoking gun connecting Saddam and his regime to Al Qaeda.
Doreen
Reply #1637 Sunday, April 13, 2003 6:38 PM
Reply #1637 Sunday, April 13, 2003 6:38 PM
Doreen, I suppose its best to leave each country handle its own problems...but when it became apparent that Saddam had ties with Bin Laden, then we took it personal.
by Xerraire - 4/13/2003 3:28:07 PM
Xerraire all I know is it's a good thing I ain't God so I don't have to have all the answers or judge anyone... hehe!
who knows it just seems that since we apparently knew the stuff was going on, and since we apparently "did" eventually go in and actually do something about it, why did we wait so long for the mess to get out of control??? when at the first sign of trouble someone should have said "Ummm Houston I think we have a problem here" and then jump on the problem? cuz I think if you see some maniac torturing ppl and preforming mass masacres and is having such big head trips he needs statues every freaking where you look to see him??? something was terribly wrong there? it was common sense this should have been handled when he crossed the first or second line of not being a stable man w/ power and started taking innocent ppl's lives...
lots of lives would have been spared and maybe this would not have happened, anyways, I heard they got some POW's back
(those poor ppl that lost their loved ones are probably celebrating w/ them) just so sad this whole thing but oh well...
by Xerraire - 4/13/2003 3:28:07 PM
Xerraire all I know is it's a good thing I ain't God so I don't have to have all the answers or judge anyone... hehe!
who knows it just seems that since we apparently knew the stuff was going on, and since we apparently "did" eventually go in and actually do something about it, why did we wait so long for the mess to get out of control??? when at the first sign of trouble someone should have said "Ummm Houston I think we have a problem here" and then jump on the problem? cuz I think if you see some maniac torturing ppl and preforming mass masacres and is having such big head trips he needs statues every freaking where you look to see him??? something was terribly wrong there? it was common sense this should have been handled when he crossed the first or second line of not being a stable man w/ power and started taking innocent ppl's lives...
lots of lives would have been spared and maybe this would not have happened, anyways, I heard they got some POW's back
(those poor ppl that lost their loved ones are probably celebrating w/ them) just so sad this whole thing but oh well...
joetheblow
Reply #1638 Sunday, April 13, 2003 6:55 PM
Reply #1638 Sunday, April 13, 2003 6:55 PM
For me the Al queda/Iraq thing was not good enough. Now the Iraq and it main man Saddam hatered and ability to carey out the hatered the same way Al Queda diud is what was good enough.
Saddam possed many danger and future dangers in the mist of post war sactions and the world watching.
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No matter how poor anyone here in America is, woith out quettion they have a better chance to get out of it than people; billions of people, around the world. Anyone who can come up with a story or a fact about health care or hunger in the US need to understand that other countries can't come close to the care given in the US. Look carefully as to how people live in these countries.
Waiting 2 days at a hospital? how about no hospital? How about hospital 50 miles away? How about a hospital with no good equiptment, medicaine or doctors and nusres?
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The US wants oil? I can come up with a better conspiracy that that (an have in previous posts). If it is not totally about saving American lives or freeing the Iraq population... who really think it is just about that?... then the bigger reason is stabibility, world economy, US friendly nations, and a new market, not for oil, but for labor, trade or other matertials, bases for other targets, a new Iraq economy can produce a ripple ecffect on world economies for the better by adding to technology bought sold made, material bouhght sold made...etc...
Oil??? hhuuph. a smart business man has to see more than oil. Especailly when oil runs out 40 or 50 years from now. What then? Sand?
Saddam possed many danger and future dangers in the mist of post war sactions and the world watching.
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No matter how poor anyone here in America is, woith out quettion they have a better chance to get out of it than people; billions of people, around the world. Anyone who can come up with a story or a fact about health care or hunger in the US need to understand that other countries can't come close to the care given in the US. Look carefully as to how people live in these countries.
Waiting 2 days at a hospital? how about no hospital? How about hospital 50 miles away? How about a hospital with no good equiptment, medicaine or doctors and nusres?
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The US wants oil?
I can come up with a better conspiracy that that (an have in previous posts). If it is not totally about saving American lives or freeing the Iraq population... who really think it is just about that?... then the bigger reason is stabibility, world economy, US friendly nations, and a new market, not for oil, but for labor, trade or other matertials, bases for other targets, a new Iraq economy can produce a ripple ecffect on world economies for the better by adding to technology bought sold made, material bouhght sold made...etc...Oil??? hhuuph. a smart business man has to see more than oil. Especailly when oil runs out 40 or 50 years from now. What then? Sand?
joetheblow
Reply #1639 Sunday, April 13, 2003 6:57 PM
Reply #1639 Sunday, April 13, 2003 6:57 PM
Think about the economics of the whole thing.. you will see its not about oil.
Xerraire
Reply #1640 Sunday, April 13, 2003 7:15 PM
Reply #1640 Sunday, April 13, 2003 7:15 PM
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Saddam seemed quite able to know everything that was going on, and nothing that didn't have his blessing could happen there, he was quite able to eliminate anything or anyone he wanted to.
I see plenty there for concern.
For one thing, the day we pulled out from Gulf War number 1, I thought to myself, this isn't over, he will retaliate. Being a leader of a nation, Saddam can't hide like BinLaden can, so he needed someone to do the dirty work.
It fits.
Saddam seemed quite able to know everything that was going on, and nothing that didn't have his blessing could happen there, he was quite able to eliminate anything or anyone he wanted to.
I see plenty there for concern.
For one thing, the day we pulled out from Gulf War number 1, I thought to myself, this isn't over, he will retaliate. Being a leader of a nation, Saddam can't hide like BinLaden can, so he needed someone to do the dirty work.
It fits.
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Reply #1621 Sunday, April 13, 2003 8:41 AM
werewolf steps up to the plate with resume in hand