Men---Women
Saturday, January 18, 2003 by WOM | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I have noticed that there are more men artists than women. Also more men on the messageboard than women. Why is that? Anybody have some ideas? 
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Angel_Wings
Reply #62 Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:12 PM
Reply #62 Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:12 PM
WOM...if she'd ever like to chat...and if she has an YAHOO addy...she can chat with me with [email protected]...
I'd love to share some creative ideas with her!
I'd love to share some creative ideas with her!
WOM
Reply #63 Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:12 PM
Reply #63 Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:12 PM
She doesn't write anymore. Skinning has a hold on her. 
WOM
Reply #64 Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:14 PM
Reply #64 Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:14 PM
We have MSN Messenger for chat. But she is getting DSL and I'am not sure who the provider will be.
WOM
Reply #65 Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:16 PM
Reply #65 Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:16 PM
Email me your address and I'll send you a copy of her book.
Angel_Wings
Reply #66 Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:36 PM
Reply #66 Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:36 PM
hmmm. I'd prefer HER to send me an e-mail first. 
If "SHE" wants to send me something then 'cool' but WOM, right now you just gave me the three 'no-no''
A. He asks where you live
B. He says he's married but hmmm
C. He uses some 'excuse' to send you something "directly" hmmm.
Nope. Not gon' do it.
If "SHE" wants to send me something then 'cool' but WOM, right now you just gave me the three 'no-no''A. He asks where you live
B. He says he's married but hmmm
C. He uses some 'excuse' to send you something "directly" hmmm.
Nope. Not gon' do it.
IPlural
Reply #67 Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:50 PM
Reply #67 Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:50 PM
Kids, Dinner, Washing, Bills, Kids functions, sports, clubs, sleep, private time for some loved personal things such as artistic outlet / expression, husband, boyfried, girl-friend, alone, time.
Mmmm, dunno that any of those might be a factor if in fact there are any less female artistic types in the world than male.
But it sure does indicate there might be a bit of a balance issue when it comes to time for such things as being online, or what have you.
I know that is not all women, or men for that matter. But it is a larger number of women with such tasks all rolled into 24 hours for those who happen to not be in the artistic industries.
Many women write poems, are writing a journal, drawing, painting, sculpting ( or doing ceramics if that is all the time they have or chosen medium ) when they get a chance and never show anyone outside of a few people.
It is kind of weird, but being male I can related to it because of my back ground. I pretty much close that part of myself off to others and only let the most trusted near it. I do in fact draw and paint and also have a number of cameras that I make use of. But seldomly do I share anything beyond my wife..
well seesh this is a hell of an answer isn't it...
Mmmm after that long drug out foolery, in a word:
Time
Mmmm, dunno that any of those might be a factor if in fact there are any less female artistic types in the world than male.
But it sure does indicate there might be a bit of a balance issue when it comes to time for such things as being online, or what have you.
I know that is not all women, or men for that matter. But it is a larger number of women with such tasks all rolled into 24 hours for those who happen to not be in the artistic industries.
Many women write poems, are writing a journal, drawing, painting, sculpting ( or doing ceramics if that is all the time they have or chosen medium ) when they get a chance and never show anyone outside of a few people.
It is kind of weird, but being male I can related to it because of my back ground. I pretty much close that part of myself off to others and only let the most trusted near it. I do in fact draw and paint and also have a number of cameras that I make use of. But seldomly do I share anything beyond my wife..
well seesh this is a hell of an answer isn't it...
Mmmm after that long drug out foolery, in a word:
Time
elvee
Reply #68 Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:56 PM
Reply #68 Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:56 PM
Sorry but i think women do better gabbing when they are on the phone.
IPlural
Reply #69 Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:03 PM
Reply #69 Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:03 PM
Sir WOM.. if your serious?
Many women, and men, do not grow up in nurturing enviornments. They spend their childhood through adulthood learning by mistake exactly what they do not want out of relationships. I do not mean personal ones such as in sleeping with or what have you. I mean any relationship, women can be even more agressive and mean than men when it comes to the order of things in their social structure.
It even goes deeper than that becuase society has dictated exactly what is expected of women in our culture.
They are going to go to school, they are going to meet some guy, they are going to fall in love and make babies and then they are going to put up with what ever he dishes out because that is what a good wife does. Which is exactly what is expected of them for the most part. I know that times have changed over the years, but not all that much in many respects (social engineering is as hard to break as brain-washing, because they are one in the same just on different scales) the conditioning is still with us as a society.
I have yet to understand how my wife who does her job and half her boss'es job, perfrom at task to a positive and gainful outcome, ends up making almost 1/3 rd less than a male in the same position doing half the work and not getting it right half time or not doing anything more than he has to.
On another point, when a woman has a child she understands beyond any other self imposed truths that she is existing for that childs life and what it's possible support base throughout life will be. Many men on the other hand do not see it the exact same way, he works, puts the foo din the fridge, the roof over the head and he needs his free time to un-wind so it is her place to deal with everything else. Well maybe not the money, for whatever reason he applies.
mmm, I think I've run out of paint or actually felf the wall when my butt bumped into it...
mmm, ok, I'll be quiet now...
Many women, and men, do not grow up in nurturing enviornments. They spend their childhood through adulthood learning by mistake exactly what they do not want out of relationships. I do not mean personal ones such as in sleeping with or what have you. I mean any relationship, women can be even more agressive and mean than men when it comes to the order of things in their social structure.
It even goes deeper than that becuase society has dictated exactly what is expected of women in our culture.
They are going to go to school, they are going to meet some guy, they are going to fall in love and make babies and then they are going to put up with what ever he dishes out because that is what a good wife does. Which is exactly what is expected of them for the most part. I know that times have changed over the years, but not all that much in many respects (social engineering is as hard to break as brain-washing, because they are one in the same just on different scales) the conditioning is still with us as a society.
I have yet to understand how my wife who does her job and half her boss'es job, perfrom at task to a positive and gainful outcome, ends up making almost 1/3 rd less than a male in the same position doing half the work and not getting it right half time or not doing anything more than he has to.
On another point, when a woman has a child she understands beyond any other self imposed truths that she is existing for that childs life and what it's possible support base throughout life will be. Many men on the other hand do not see it the exact same way, he works, puts the foo din the fridge, the roof over the head and he needs his free time to un-wind so it is her place to deal with everything else. Well maybe not the money, for whatever reason he applies.
mmm, I think I've run out of paint or actually felf the wall when my butt bumped into it...
mmm, ok, I'll be quiet now...
kthxbye
Reply #70 Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:20 AM
Reply #70 Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:20 AM
Now see - I have to disagree with you there, WOM. With the skinning community being an exception, the number of female artists I know by /far/ out number the number of male artists - in all fields: music, multimedia, traditional media, painting, writing, etc.
Come to think of it, with the exception of myself (I /suppose/ I'm technically an artist - just a piss-poor one!
) I only know 5 male artists - 2 of them being cartoonists (not belittling cartoonists any,) and 2 of them musicians.
As for me female friends? I could go on all day counting the number of friends I have who are authors (published,) or screen-writers, or painters, or sculpters... I guess it all just depends on who you know. =D
Oh - and the only artists I know who are actually able to make a -living- at being an artist, aside from my step-father (whose an artistic blacksmith,) have been female too!
Come to think of it, with the exception of myself (I /suppose/ I'm technically an artist - just a piss-poor one!
) I only know 5 male artists - 2 of them being cartoonists (not belittling cartoonists any,) and 2 of them musicians.As for me female friends? I could go on all day counting the number of friends I have who are authors (published,) or screen-writers, or painters, or sculpters... I guess it all just depends on who you know. =D
Oh - and the only artists I know who are actually able to make a -living- at being an artist, aside from my step-father (whose an artistic blacksmith,) have been female too!
WOM
Reply #71 Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:26 AM
Reply #71 Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:26 AM
Yes, but I'am refering to WC. not the outside world. Very few WC female artists and very few females on the messageboard. Thats what I'am getting at.
IPlural
Reply #72 Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:36 AM
Reply #72 Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:36 AM
Oh
Time and interest, or lack there of is my guess...
Time and interest, or lack there of is my guess...
kthxbye
Reply #73 Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:38 AM
Reply #73 Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:38 AM
Well maybe if we stopped scaring them all off...
(Hey, wait! What am I talking about? I just got here!)
(Hey, wait! What am I talking about? I just got here!)
goodmorphing
Reply #74 Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:47 AM
Reply #74 Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:47 AM
Maybe there are more of us than you think. I guess wrong nearly half the time!
Old_Crab
Reply #76 Sunday, January 19, 2003 4:21 AM
Reply #76 Sunday, January 19, 2003 4:21 AM
Damn, by the time I got down here I forgot what the thread was all about. Whatever. Old Crabs don't associate with either species much.
Jafo
Reply #78 Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:50 AM
Reply #78 Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:50 AM
If 'art' involves spatial relationships, eg, sculpture and Architecture to name to 'specific' examples, then generally you will find an inordinately high proportion will be male.
It's physiological....male and female brain development is different, eg, women will recover speech more easily following a stroke than men will.
Part of the brain 'hemisphere' devoted to creativity and spatial cognitive ability in a male functions as a back-up language skill centre in women, hence their stroke-recovery, and less-commonly becoming Architects.
This isn't a hard and fast 'rule', just a tendency....but it could even explain the lack of success in Motor Racing for women...
A lot of things are taken for granted....if a child is under about 10, he should NOT ride a bicycle in traffic....his brain has yet to develop an understanding of speed and distance and cannot 'judge' either.
Remember that bit when you're buying your children bicycles...
It's physiological....male and female brain development is different, eg, women will recover speech more easily following a stroke than men will.
Part of the brain 'hemisphere' devoted to creativity and spatial cognitive ability in a male functions as a back-up language skill centre in women, hence their stroke-recovery, and less-commonly becoming Architects.
This isn't a hard and fast 'rule', just a tendency....but it could even explain the lack of success in Motor Racing for women...
A lot of things are taken for granted....if a child is under about 10, he should NOT ride a bicycle in traffic....his brain has yet to develop an understanding of speed and distance and cannot 'judge' either.
Remember that bit when you're buying your children bicycles...
WOM
Reply #79 Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:59 AM
Reply #79 Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:59 AM
Man,I knew I could count on Jafo for a scientific medical answer. So your saying the lack of womens at WC is because their brains are different?
So your saying the lack of womens at WC is because their brains are different?
Jafo
Reply #80 Sunday, January 19, 2003 9:03 AM
Reply #80 Sunday, January 19, 2003 9:03 AM
Throughout history there has been a bigger percentage of men than women in 'artistic' endeavours....it was often generally assumed to be social bias and conditioning...but since MRI scans, etc, other 'reasons' have come forward...
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Reply #61 Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:09 PM