Litestep, dead or alive?
Saturday, November 16, 2002 by gef | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Does anyone still create Litestep themes and is it compatible with WindowsXP. I havn't tried since upgrading and I want to know if it's worth the effort.
Comments greatly appreciated!
Comments greatly appreciated!
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moshi
Reply #42 Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:29 AM
Reply #42 Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:29 AM
as DeViLbOi said at ShellFront: "Those who want to learn and have fun with us, hop on board...if not...get out my way f00!" 
Jafo
Reply #43 Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:55 AM
Reply #43 Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:55 AM
I'm with moshi on that one....[I'm usually with moshi on lots of things - kindred LS-spirit]....
Longest that I have ever had LiteSTEP up and running - just over 13 days.
Longest I have ever had a computer up and running? - just over 13 days.
That included a lot of shell changing, theme changing, recycling, step coding, theme creating, installing, uninstalling, you name it.
Did LS cause the stop after 13 days? No, I simply needed to turn the thing off to swap out a drive-caddy....
LiteSTEP 'can' be as stable as you want it to be [or let it]..
Longest that I have ever had LiteSTEP up and running - just over 13 days.
Longest I have ever had a computer up and running? - just over 13 days.
That included a lot of shell changing, theme changing, recycling, step coding, theme creating, installing, uninstalling, you name it.
Did LS cause the stop after 13 days? No, I simply needed to turn the thing off to swap out a drive-caddy....
LiteSTEP 'can' be as stable as you want it to be [or let it]..
SuperheroCanadian
Reply #46 Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:33 AM
Reply #46 Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:33 AM
and if ur luck it will even do ur homework for you ( i only could dream )
Phar0e
Reply #47 Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:48 PM
Reply #47 Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:48 PM
Well, I don't know if I can let it go at that...
The thread topic is "dead or alive". I won't flood this thread with the entire editorial; so if your interested check out my site: http://www.leechprint.com/phil/start.htm
The editorial speaks to where I see Litestep going and where perhaps it needs to go. It's a different view than already expressed by others in this thread, but that's cool
The thread topic is "dead or alive". I won't flood this thread with the entire editorial; so if your interested check out my site: http://www.leechprint.com/phil/start.htm
The editorial speaks to where I see Litestep going and where perhaps it needs to go. It's a different view than already expressed by others in this thread, but that's cool
brazil
Reply #48 Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:11 PM
Reply #48 Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:11 PM
Please let us know how you make out adam solley.I have tried again a few days ago but I just can't get it to load.I have tried Shellon and Shellenabler.Both times unsuccessful load ups.I would very much like to see it in action.Many of my favorite themes are Litestep.I hope I have not given anyone the wrong idea.I would just like to be able to use it.I think there should be a WC process of screens that lead you to the LS party.Is this asking too much?
Jafo
Reply #49 Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:30 AM
Reply #49 Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:30 AM
brazil...Litestep is not in any way related to Stardock and WC, just as WinAMP is not.
The difference however is that the former is a shell requiring 'understanding' in its use, and the latter is just another dopey MP3 player of which there are squillions..
I read all that on your site, Phil....and at Shellfront....and agree with your 'concerns'...
The difference however is that the former is a shell requiring 'understanding' in its use, and the latter is just another dopey MP3 player of which there are squillions..
I read all that on your site, Phil....and at Shellfront....and agree with your 'concerns'...
Jafo
Reply #51 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:06 AM
Reply #51 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:06 AM
I've been thinking, just as many others have before me, of creating my own 'user-friendly' installation process-come-distro or at least a brain-dead user's step-by-step guide to getting LS at least running 'something' on 'anyone's' computer.
Perhaps I should...
Perhaps I should...
brazil
Reply #53 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:25 AM
Reply #53 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:25 AM
Jafo:I really think that would be a good idea.The reason I stopped at Stardock was the WC Browser and it's ability to manage the delivery of it's content.Most of what is available here is click to dload then click to apply.This,IMHO, is the single most important feature that will make this site and company grow.
JamMeister33
Reply #54 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:30 AM
Reply #54 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:30 AM
Hello, could we get a little more specific than 'blah-blah'..... I'm so unhappy because the software that I bought is not making me an 'instant genius'
bakerstreet
Reply #55 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:38 AM
Reply #55 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:38 AM
Jafo: the minute you do, they'll change something and you'll have to start over. I actually had a couple of pages done on a tutorial for LS when they changed it. I also had a sonique tutorial half done when they announced that the next format was gonna be totally different. Then there was my ICQ Plus tutorial that was valid for a couple of months. You have no idea how much stuff I deleted when I got fed up.
Don't you guys ever get tired? Honestly it is hard to get started back. I'm pondering a few things that might help, but this is so much work for such a transient artform and fickle audience. I was in my beloved art store the other day, and I just stopped and stared at the newly stretched canvases. It was dumbfounding how wonderful it would be to make something, and then just be done with it; no uploading, no idiotic comments tacked the wall under it, no fixing it every time the canvas company decided to change the format or added a 'feature'.
My problem right now is that there is always a reason to wait for a week or two, until something is fixed, or something comes out of beta. Then, when you are about to get started, you find out that the next beta will change a bunch of stuff and it will be out in a few weeks. I feel old...
Don't you guys ever get tired? Honestly it is hard to get started back. I'm pondering a few things that might help, but this is so much work for such a transient artform and fickle audience. I was in my beloved art store the other day, and I just stopped and stared at the newly stretched canvases. It was dumbfounding how wonderful it would be to make something, and then just be done with it; no uploading, no idiotic comments tacked the wall under it, no fixing it every time the canvas company decided to change the format or added a 'feature'.
My problem right now is that there is always a reason to wait for a week or two, until something is fixed, or something comes out of beta. Then, when you are about to get started, you find out that the next beta will change a bunch of stuff and it will be out in a few weeks. I feel old...
JamMeister33
Reply #56 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:38 AM
Reply #56 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:38 AM
and what the farging Heckamatroid is "Litestep", never heard of it, don't give a (censored), don't want it even it was available, don't care, color me an A*******.
JamMeister33
Reply #57 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:40 AM
Reply #57 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:40 AM
And you will, and I want to hear from YOU!
JamMeister33
Reply #58 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:41 AM
Reply #58 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:41 AM
Take your best shot, I want to hear it......
Jafo
Reply #59 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:50 AM
Reply #59 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:50 AM
brazil...a shell replacement should NOT be something that you DL with a browser and auto-install.
This is the problem.
People think it is just another proggy, and have no idea how to reverse the changes made, and assume that LiteSTEP [or some other shall] has trashed their system when it is their own ineptitude which has caused it.
In my ReadMeFirst.txt in my themes, I comment 'LiteSTEP doesn't kill computers, people do.'
And it's true, but a few simple 'rules' to abide by and it is a painless experience [usually].
The sad thing is that in '97-'98 when I first started playing with shells, no-one much was around to hold my hand and walk me through it, but I survived...without pickling any OS. Sure, I got into lots of fun over the years attempting stupid things, but you expect that when you are messing with something still in beta, sometimes oddly buggy, and continuously evolving, but that is all about what skinning/themeing is all about.
It's a 'young' industry in constant development...
At one stage, I toyed with various propietary 'installer' creating proggies and made my own self-extracting, self installing Litestep shell, but I continually got lost 'making' it install new system fonts at the same time and got a bit peeved. Also, there can be more 'issues' with a non 9x Windows, eg. registry settings, which I was loathe to include in an installer just in case it fragged someone's OS. Now it's gathering dust somewhere. [It DID work, though]...
In the next few weeks, I'll put together a 'basic' OTS-compliant theme and shell along with a blow-by-blow description of how and what to do to make it work.
I'll upload it here as a complete functional shell, not just a theme, and I'll include the most important part.....an 'RTFM'.....'TFM' that everyone 'needs' to 'R'...
This is the problem.
People think it is just another proggy, and have no idea how to reverse the changes made, and assume that LiteSTEP [or some other shall] has trashed their system when it is their own ineptitude which has caused it.
In my ReadMeFirst.txt in my themes, I comment 'LiteSTEP doesn't kill computers, people do.'
And it's true, but a few simple 'rules' to abide by and it is a painless experience [usually].
The sad thing is that in '97-'98 when I first started playing with shells, no-one much was around to hold my hand and walk me through it, but I survived...without pickling any OS. Sure, I got into lots of fun over the years attempting stupid things, but you expect that when you are messing with something still in beta, sometimes oddly buggy, and continuously evolving, but that is all about what skinning/themeing is all about.
It's a 'young' industry in constant development...
At one stage, I toyed with various propietary 'installer' creating proggies and made my own self-extracting, self installing Litestep shell, but I continually got lost 'making' it install new system fonts at the same time and got a bit peeved. Also, there can be more 'issues' with a non 9x Windows, eg. registry settings, which I was loathe to include in an installer just in case it fragged someone's OS. Now it's gathering dust somewhere. [It DID work, though]...
In the next few weeks, I'll put together a 'basic' OTS-compliant theme and shell along with a blow-by-blow description of how and what to do to make it work.
I'll upload it here as a complete functional shell, not just a theme, and I'll include the most important part.....an 'RTFM'.....'TFM' that everyone 'needs' to 'R'...
Jafo
Reply #60 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:57 AM
Reply #60 Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:57 AM
baker...LiteSTEP's basics are the same as they always were....only the exe coding has changed, making older modules a bit 'iffy'....there's not much need for a modules.ini, for example. Originally it was just as pivotal as the step.rc.
If people will just stick with one particular dev release long enough to acquaint themselves with what they are doing before updating to a newer one and trashing their comp in the process then all will be well...
If people will just stick with one particular dev release long enough to acquaint themselves with what they are doing before updating to a newer one and trashing their comp in the process then all will be well...
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Reply #41 Wednesday, November 20, 2002 5:30 AM