Cry babies
Sunday, November 10, 2002 by Angel_Wings | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Yes, it’s true…I’m one of the few, the proud…the cry babies.
So listen to me now, hear me later and think about it sometime…
Artists, CAN be a bit oversensitive at times (at least the type that grew up like me…without any formal training and starting with crayola and working up to the big gurl/boy stuff like oils and acrylics, clay etc. and later trying to work their way through a computer version of their own style and attempting to make what feels so unnatural with a mouse look as if they actually had their hand in the dang thing).
I grew up using art as my emotional outlet because I didn’t really have any other outlet that served me as well (okay, poetry and singing were good too). Perhaps it’s true that wincustomize is more strictly a skin site rather than an artistry type of site but I’d sorely miss the wallpapers that are here and let’s put this in perspective for a wee moment shall we? Wallpaper can set the mood for your whole desktop environment so to discount it as mere “fluff” that should *only* compliment the skins which define your OS elements seems rather dissident and ignorant in my opinion. I love to see a sunset on my desktop…I love to see the night stars and a city at night…I even love (gawd forbid) dolphins and beaches and palm trees…oh my
Food for question…
Is “skinning” even an art? And if we stripped *every* artist and skinner here of every filter or program known to mankind and made them do it without anything at all but a pixel by pixel…would this site even exist? And if we judge everyone by the program they use…(i.e. Bryce, Photoshop etc.) then…is our digital art just a fanciful example of one’s skill at that program? Does being a *digital* artist as a whole make that art feel as if it’s without soul and without feeling? Without the fingerprint that gives an artist his/her style? I think that a program or filter does NOT make the artist…but rather enhances his/her abilities… I liken it to…traditional artists from days of yore who considered using prefab colors in paint a *no-no* and felt that creating one’s own colors from a pot of the basic 3 (i.e. yellow, red, blue) were the only true way of creating art. They also seriously frowned upon black and white as actual paint colors because those are considered *shades* and one should be disciplined enough not to need those as long as one is careful…
Almost every windowblinds skin “screams” KPT 5 shapeshifter…and I love that proggy too…but does that mean…you are cheating? I hope not! I think the beautiful stuff that people do with that is reason enough to use it!
Did I just go off on a tangent?
Sorry, just ingore this post and move on to important matters!
)
So listen to me now, hear me later and think about it sometime…
Artists, CAN be a bit oversensitive at times (at least the type that grew up like me…without any formal training and starting with crayola and working up to the big gurl/boy stuff like oils and acrylics, clay etc. and later trying to work their way through a computer version of their own style and attempting to make what feels so unnatural with a mouse look as if they actually had their hand in the dang thing).
I grew up using art as my emotional outlet because I didn’t really have any other outlet that served me as well (okay, poetry and singing were good too). Perhaps it’s true that wincustomize is more strictly a skin site rather than an artistry type of site but I’d sorely miss the wallpapers that are here and let’s put this in perspective for a wee moment shall we? Wallpaper can set the mood for your whole desktop environment so to discount it as mere “fluff” that should *only* compliment the skins which define your OS elements seems rather dissident and ignorant in my opinion. I love to see a sunset on my desktop…I love to see the night stars and a city at night…I even love (gawd forbid) dolphins and beaches and palm trees…oh my
Food for question…
Is “skinning” even an art? And if we stripped *every* artist and skinner here of every filter or program known to mankind and made them do it without anything at all but a pixel by pixel…would this site even exist? And if we judge everyone by the program they use…(i.e. Bryce, Photoshop etc.) then…is our digital art just a fanciful example of one’s skill at that program? Does being a *digital* artist as a whole make that art feel as if it’s without soul and without feeling? Without the fingerprint that gives an artist his/her style? I think that a program or filter does NOT make the artist…but rather enhances his/her abilities… I liken it to…traditional artists from days of yore who considered using prefab colors in paint a *no-no* and felt that creating one’s own colors from a pot of the basic 3 (i.e. yellow, red, blue) were the only true way of creating art. They also seriously frowned upon black and white as actual paint colors because those are considered *shades* and one should be disciplined enough not to need those as long as one is careful…
Almost every windowblinds skin “screams” KPT 5 shapeshifter…and I love that proggy too…but does that mean…you are cheating? I hope not! I think the beautiful stuff that people do with that is reason enough to use it!
Did I just go off on a tangent?
Sorry, just ingore this post and move on to important matters!
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Jafo
Reply #62 Monday, November 11, 2002 3:44 AM
Reply #62 Monday, November 11, 2002 3:44 AM
Ok...enough with the dodgey spelling, Old Crab...
'axes', 'tomorrow'...[at dawn]...
'axes', 'tomorrow'...[at dawn]...
Old_Crab
Reply #63 Monday, November 11, 2002 4:02 AM
Reply #63 Monday, November 11, 2002 4:02 AM
Have you seen my message on the board about the Russian bloke?
Old_Crab
Reply #64 Monday, November 11, 2002 4:05 AM
Reply #64 Monday, November 11, 2002 4:05 AM
Yes my spelling is dodgey. It's 3:04 AM and it's been a long, long, long, day ...zzzzzzzzzz. 
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #65 Monday, November 11, 2002 5:04 AM
Reply #65 Monday, November 11, 2002 5:04 AM
The world is full of ankle-biters who have fast mouths and little substance...ignore them, every site has one or two who become well known.
If people really did make stuff by hand perhaps we would see less of those damned glass buttons.
If people really did make stuff by hand perhaps we would see less of those damned glass buttons.
Jafo
Reply #66 Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 AM
Reply #66 Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 AM
Fuzzy....no glass buttons with mine...and they are by hand, pixel by pixel, first drawn in '97...[the ball-like buttons I have used in 'most' of my skins and themes]...
Lecrayon
Reply #67 Monday, November 11, 2002 7:56 AM
Reply #67 Monday, November 11, 2002 7:56 AM
WOW Jafo! That you say this: "I agree that skinning is not 'ART' in capital letters, as I said, because it is more a craft, where the true 'quality' is in the handling of the medium and not especially the 'vision' behind it. Skinning, especially for Windowblinds has been around for years, and generally now you will see a 'lot of the same' and relatively few innovative efforts...and a lot of that is fuelled by the desire of many to become the 'greatest' downloadee, producing more of what 'sells' rather than what is actually creative"
That's amazing....
That's amazing....
Jafo
Reply #68 Monday, November 11, 2002 8:31 AM
Reply #68 Monday, November 11, 2002 8:31 AM
Lecrayon...are you saying I appear to have a brain, AND an opinion...and this is what, disconcerting?....
I still think skinning is an 'artform', but a stack of neatly folded blankets is 'bed linen', not 'art'.
I have a deep-rooted hatred of 'still life' otherwise known as dead flowers and/or fruit in a bowl, I don't care WHO painted it, apart for its technical skill of paint application to canvas it has zilch value as 'expression'.
Main-stream 'ART' is an acquired taste...if you are filthy rich, you can afford to acquire it.
Underground ART culture is for those who couldn't get rich quick by being noticed by quasi-intellectuals aka Art Critics [capitalized to fellate their egos], and banded together in a sub culture, slumming it to be kewl, instead [think the 'beat' generation].
Deviantart.com is an ART site. It has a few artists on it, too.
Wincustomize.com is a skinning site. Curiously it has artists on it as well...
In the Martin family, there is only one artist, and that's my sister. I may be able to handle various media, but I am an Architect, a drawer, and a skinner/themer, but not sufficiently self-absorbed to consider myself an Artist.
I leave that to the emotive, social wretches who daub splatters on canvas to define man's triumph over adversity, or these days with modern 'art', Piss Christ, or another stack of pillows...
I still think skinning is an 'artform', but a stack of neatly folded blankets is 'bed linen', not 'art'.
I have a deep-rooted hatred of 'still life' otherwise known as dead flowers and/or fruit in a bowl, I don't care WHO painted it, apart for its technical skill of paint application to canvas it has zilch value as 'expression'.
Main-stream 'ART' is an acquired taste...if you are filthy rich, you can afford to acquire it.
Underground ART culture is for those who couldn't get rich quick by being noticed by quasi-intellectuals aka Art Critics [capitalized to fellate their egos], and banded together in a sub culture, slumming it to be kewl, instead [think the 'beat' generation].
Deviantart.com is an ART site. It has a few artists on it, too.
Wincustomize.com is a skinning site. Curiously it has artists on it as well...
In the Martin family, there is only one artist, and that's my sister. I may be able to handle various media, but I am an Architect, a drawer, and a skinner/themer, but not sufficiently self-absorbed to consider myself an Artist.
I leave that to the emotive, social wretches who daub splatters on canvas to define man's triumph over adversity, or these days with modern 'art', Piss Christ, or another stack of pillows...
What's that for a strange comment. 
craeonics
Reply #71 Monday, November 11, 2002 11:00 AM
Reply #71 Monday, November 11, 2002 11:00 AM
Hmm, well, Alien Skin's Inner Bevel has always been my favourite tool.
feline
Reply #72 Monday, November 11, 2002 12:46 PM
Reply #72 Monday, November 11, 2002 12:46 PM
well, i seem to have missed most of this
however, with regard to ART and "respect", this is my personal view.
at school in Art class, art simply seemed to only be painting and drawing. and not really geometric drawing at that.
now i would define ART as something "graphical" (eg, so not books) that generates an emotional response in the observer.
i use skins and wallpaper to make my computer a more friendly and happy place. a nice WB skin makes my windows more attractive and appealing.
surely this is an emotional reaction?
so my this (perhaps simplistic) definition skins and wallpaper are ART
as for wallpaper, i have seen some wallpapers gain considerable respect and admiration.
however, with regard to ART and "respect", this is my personal view.
at school in Art class, art simply seemed to only be painting and drawing. and not really geometric drawing at that.
now i would define ART as something "graphical" (eg, so not books) that generates an emotional response in the observer.
i use skins and wallpaper to make my computer a more friendly and happy place. a nice WB skin makes my windows more attractive and appealing.
surely this is an emotional reaction?
so my this (perhaps simplistic) definition skins and wallpaper are ART
as for wallpaper, i have seen some wallpapers gain considerable respect and admiration.
Koasati
Reply #73 Monday, November 11, 2002 12:58 PM
Reply #73 Monday, November 11, 2002 12:58 PM
Sorry, just ingore this post and move on to important matters!
by Citizen dark_seraphim - 11/10/2002 10:17:01 PM
I think I shall do exactly that.
by Citizen dark_seraphim - 11/10/2002 10:17:01 PM
I think I shall do exactly that.
messybuu
Reply #76 Monday, November 11, 2002 2:04 PM
Reply #76 Monday, November 11, 2002 2:04 PM
As a TRUE ARTIST, I know that there is only one true form of artist: Painting on a canvas. Others are simply posers.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #77 Monday, November 11, 2002 2:08 PM
Reply #77 Monday, November 11, 2002 2:08 PM
I consider my photography to be art. The camera is my brush, the film my canvas and the whole world my subject.
What is important is to create. How you get there is unimportant
What is important is to create. How you get there is unimportant
Angel_Wings
Reply #78 Monday, November 11, 2002 3:15 PM
Reply #78 Monday, November 11, 2002 3:15 PM
Gee, did I miss pistols at dawn? It's certainly apparent I'm not trying to win any *popularity* contest here! ROTFLMAO!
Art…the definition seems elusive and I suppose some people might think their own nose goblin collection could be considered art (joking).
Hmm. Truth be told, I just enjoy ‘playing’ on my computer with my art programs and I think filters are so much fun to tinker with and I don’t take my desktop art or any of my art seriously (most all of my computer stuff which I’d never consider framing and actually hanging on a wall like my regular art)! I just don’t like how some (ahem) people get on such a high horse about their own techniques as if they are the ONLY TRUE WAY etc. and I don’t have a super-computer with mega RAM to spend hours on pixels and a 100 layers (geez, my computer would crash with 50 layers!!!) nor would I want to but if that were my career of choice it might seem justifiable but hey, …I’m not fooling myself and I ain’t quittin’ my day job (he-he)…for me it’s all just playing and learning and creating my own eye candy!
“Art” for me is just fun time whether it’s a relaxing chance to play with colors and images and whatever strikes my fancy, or writing or singing or dancing under a full moon. Nope, I’m not a digital “ARTEEST”…I’m just frolicking with a manic mouse and cursing at my cursor from time to time…
Time to have some FUN! FUN! FUN! (No time to grow up...must play with my crayons now)!
Hmm. I sure would have liked to see JamMeister33 use that "head lopper" though... (Better keep my head)!...
TTFN!
It's certainly apparent I'm not trying to win any *popularity* contest here! ROTFLMAO!Art…the definition seems elusive and I suppose some people might think their own nose goblin collection could be considered art (joking).
Hmm. Truth be told, I just enjoy ‘playing’ on my computer with my art programs and I think filters are so much fun to tinker with and I don’t take my desktop art or any of my art seriously (most all of my computer stuff which I’d never consider framing and actually hanging on a wall like my regular art)! I just don’t like how some (ahem) people get on such a high horse about their own techniques as if they are the ONLY TRUE WAY etc. and I don’t have a super-computer with mega RAM to spend hours on pixels and a 100 layers (geez, my computer would crash with 50 layers!!!) nor would I want to but if that were my career of choice it might seem justifiable but hey, …I’m not fooling myself and I ain’t quittin’ my day job (he-he)…for me it’s all just playing and learning and creating my own eye candy!
“Art” for me is just fun time whether it’s a relaxing chance to play with colors and images and whatever strikes my fancy, or writing or singing or dancing under a full moon.
Nope, I’m not a digital “ARTEEST”…I’m just frolicking with a manic mouse and cursing at my cursor from time to time…Time to have some FUN! FUN! FUN! (No time to grow up...must play with my crayons now)!
Hmm. I sure would have liked to see JamMeister33 use that "head lopper" though...
(Better keep my head)!... TTFN!
Lecrayon
Reply #79 Monday, November 11, 2002 3:25 PM
Reply #79 Monday, November 11, 2002 3:25 PM
My definition about art would be anything that is created beyond skill and knowledge. So you can only create art after being taught the skills. There are a lot of people that get to the point they perfect their skills, but can't get beyond that. For myself that's just the starting point. What you create has to be different, appealing or appalling, stir stuck brains etc. It doesn't matter what kind of material you use. Film, canvas, monitor...Anything.
Jafo
Reply #80 Monday, November 11, 2002 5:33 PM
Reply #80 Monday, November 11, 2002 5:33 PM
dark_seraphim...
If you wish to check out a truly talented 'digital' artist, have a look at the work by Nuvem, either here or on DevART.
He combines vision, emotion and meaning along with a true mastery of the medium.
It was a truly sad day for mere mortals when he got a Wacom and moved on from the mouse.
And if that ain't enough to humble our efforts, he's adept at all the traditional [physical] media as well.
f he weren't a good friend I'd hate him for his talent....
If you wish to check out a truly talented 'digital' artist, have a look at the work by Nuvem, either here or on DevART.
He combines vision, emotion and meaning along with a true mastery of the medium.
It was a truly sad day for mere mortals when he got a Wacom and moved on from the mouse.
And if that ain't enough to humble our efforts, he's adept at all the traditional [physical] media as well.
f he weren't a good friend I'd hate him for his talent....
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Reply #61 Monday, November 11, 2002 3:34 AM