Cry babies
Sunday, November 10, 2002 by Angel_Wings | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Yes, it’s true…I’m one of the few, the proud…the cry babies.
So listen to me now, hear me later and think about it sometime…
Artists, CAN be a bit oversensitive at times (at least the type that grew up like me…without any formal training and starting with crayola and working up to the big gurl/boy stuff like oils and acrylics, clay etc. and later trying to work their way through a computer version of their own style and attempting to make what feels so unnatural with a mouse look as if they actually had their hand in the dang thing).
I grew up using art as my emotional outlet because I didn’t really have any other outlet that served me as well (okay, poetry and singing were good too). Perhaps it’s true that wincustomize is more strictly a skin site rather than an artistry type of site but I’d sorely miss the wallpapers that are here and let’s put this in perspective for a wee moment shall we? Wallpaper can set the mood for your whole desktop environment so to discount it as mere “fluff” that should *only* compliment the skins which define your OS elements seems rather dissident and ignorant in my opinion. I love to see a sunset on my desktop…I love to see the night stars and a city at night…I even love (gawd forbid) dolphins and beaches and palm trees…oh my
Food for question…
Is “skinning” even an art? And if we stripped *every* artist and skinner here of every filter or program known to mankind and made them do it without anything at all but a pixel by pixel…would this site even exist? And if we judge everyone by the program they use…(i.e. Bryce, Photoshop etc.) then…is our digital art just a fanciful example of one’s skill at that program? Does being a *digital* artist as a whole make that art feel as if it’s without soul and without feeling? Without the fingerprint that gives an artist his/her style? I think that a program or filter does NOT make the artist…but rather enhances his/her abilities… I liken it to…traditional artists from days of yore who considered using prefab colors in paint a *no-no* and felt that creating one’s own colors from a pot of the basic 3 (i.e. yellow, red, blue) were the only true way of creating art. They also seriously frowned upon black and white as actual paint colors because those are considered *shades* and one should be disciplined enough not to need those as long as one is careful…
Almost every windowblinds skin “screams” KPT 5 shapeshifter…and I love that proggy too…but does that mean…you are cheating? I hope not! I think the beautiful stuff that people do with that is reason enough to use it!
Did I just go off on a tangent?
Sorry, just ingore this post and move on to important matters!
)
So listen to me now, hear me later and think about it sometime…
Artists, CAN be a bit oversensitive at times (at least the type that grew up like me…without any formal training and starting with crayola and working up to the big gurl/boy stuff like oils and acrylics, clay etc. and later trying to work their way through a computer version of their own style and attempting to make what feels so unnatural with a mouse look as if they actually had their hand in the dang thing).
I grew up using art as my emotional outlet because I didn’t really have any other outlet that served me as well (okay, poetry and singing were good too). Perhaps it’s true that wincustomize is more strictly a skin site rather than an artistry type of site but I’d sorely miss the wallpapers that are here and let’s put this in perspective for a wee moment shall we? Wallpaper can set the mood for your whole desktop environment so to discount it as mere “fluff” that should *only* compliment the skins which define your OS elements seems rather dissident and ignorant in my opinion. I love to see a sunset on my desktop…I love to see the night stars and a city at night…I even love (gawd forbid) dolphins and beaches and palm trees…oh my
Food for question…
Is “skinning” even an art? And if we stripped *every* artist and skinner here of every filter or program known to mankind and made them do it without anything at all but a pixel by pixel…would this site even exist? And if we judge everyone by the program they use…(i.e. Bryce, Photoshop etc.) then…is our digital art just a fanciful example of one’s skill at that program? Does being a *digital* artist as a whole make that art feel as if it’s without soul and without feeling? Without the fingerprint that gives an artist his/her style? I think that a program or filter does NOT make the artist…but rather enhances his/her abilities… I liken it to…traditional artists from days of yore who considered using prefab colors in paint a *no-no* and felt that creating one’s own colors from a pot of the basic 3 (i.e. yellow, red, blue) were the only true way of creating art. They also seriously frowned upon black and white as actual paint colors because those are considered *shades* and one should be disciplined enough not to need those as long as one is careful…
Almost every windowblinds skin “screams” KPT 5 shapeshifter…and I love that proggy too…but does that mean…you are cheating? I hope not! I think the beautiful stuff that people do with that is reason enough to use it!
Did I just go off on a tangent?
Sorry, just ingore this post and move on to important matters!
)
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Angel_Wings
Reply #22 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:17 PM
Reply #22 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:17 PM
I've got the poison arrows...do you have the sharpened spikes hidden in the woods, JamMeister33?
Angel_Wings
Reply #23 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:20 PM
Reply #23 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:20 PM
Notice I corrected my spelling too late?
Oh fuss and bother...a joust at dawn...what shall I wear?
Oh fuss and bother...a joust at dawn...what shall I wear?
JamMeister33
Reply #24 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:22 PM
Reply #24 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:22 PM
I've got a lot more than that d_s, you can't tell them too much or you'll spoil the surprize! 
JamMeister33
Reply #25 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:23 PM
Reply #25 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:23 PM
light chain mail and your trusty "head lopper" will do nicely, my lady.
Jafo
Reply #26 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:25 PM
Reply #26 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:25 PM
Actually...suggesting that 'almost all' of the Windowblinds skins are the product of some 'filter' is a bit of a slight on all those people who know their craft and apply it properly.
Wincustomize.com rejects/moderates Photoskins and skins eg for WinAMP that are 'made' by Skinmaker, and other proggies, purely because the resulting skins are either abysmal, or are just Britney's boobs, but with buttons, or both.
To perhaps denigrate the efforts of skinners on one of the more 'challenging' skinnable proggies is, I hope, merely a product of inexperience with the 'artform' or procedure.
I'd doubt the converse would occur were a skinner to compare the efforts of a digital wall artist...
Wincustomize.com rejects/moderates Photoskins and skins eg for WinAMP that are 'made' by Skinmaker, and other proggies, purely because the resulting skins are either abysmal, or are just Britney's boobs, but with buttons, or both.
To perhaps denigrate the efforts of skinners on one of the more 'challenging' skinnable proggies is, I hope, merely a product of inexperience with the 'artform' or procedure.
I'd doubt the converse would occur were a skinner to compare the efforts of a digital wall artist...
Angel_Wings
Reply #27 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:26 PM
Reply #27 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:26 PM
Oh boy JamMeister33!
Please, if you need any well honed commentary (he-he) and good ol' fashioned rib-jabs...count me in like sin! *sharpening her blade of truth*
Please, if you need any well honed commentary (he-he) and good ol' fashioned rib-jabs...count me in like sin! *sharpening her blade of truth*
JamMeister33
Reply #28 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:27 PM
Reply #28 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:27 PM
Thank God, I finally have an ally here!
They call this a community and yet they expect everyone to fit into the same little snobbish pattern that they dictate and think is just the "cat's meow."
They call this a community and yet they expect everyone to fit into the same little snobbish pattern that they dictate and think is just the "cat's meow."
Peff
Reply #29 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:28 PM
Reply #29 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:28 PM
I just did several searches for walls (global, actually) uploaded by bakerstreet...maybe the search isn't working correctly (typed in bakersteet and sort by authors), but I found nil....Other than the childish 'dragonball-z' screenshot, I found nothing convinces me of any artistic talent on your part - nothing that merits the critisism you so freely give, in any case. Pixel-by-pixel? I think not! Try applying a couple filters...might make that cartoon you call a desktop look reasonable..
I don't fancy myself an artist...so I refrain from critiqueing (jafo) other's works, I comment when I see something that really pleases me. I'de be interested in seeing your works.
Angela....keep your chin up! Disregard the overly critical opinions...the day your graphical talents chatch up with your heart, we'll have another treetog or alexandrie among us.
I don't fancy myself an artist...so I refrain from critiqueing (jafo) other's works, I comment when I see something that really pleases me. I'de be interested in seeing your works.
Angela....keep your chin up! Disregard the overly critical opinions...the day your graphical talents chatch up with your heart, we'll have another treetog or alexandrie among us.
Angel_Wings
Reply #31 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:33 PM
Reply #31 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:33 PM
Jafo: To perhaps denigrate the efforts of skinners on one of the more 'challenging' skinnable proggies is, I hope, merely a product of inexperience with the 'artform' or procedure.
Jafo...I'm not denigrating "skinners" inasmuch as I'm just saying that it isn't Xactly "ART" but rather....the very thing SOME people are put down here for...and that's "Mastering a program"...I'm speaking "purely" skinwise and not wallpaperwise now. "Shiny, metallic...glassy...glow" that's a recurrent theme here and I LOVE it but it's hardly what I'd call...original or stylistic." Just my opinion...shoot me now...but beware...I have armor on
Jafo...I'm not denigrating "skinners" inasmuch as I'm just saying that it isn't Xactly "ART" but rather....the very thing SOME people are put down here for...and that's "Mastering a program"...I'm speaking "purely" skinwise and not wallpaperwise now. "Shiny, metallic...glassy...glow" that's a recurrent theme here and I LOVE it but it's hardly what I'd call...original or stylistic." Just my opinion...shoot me now...but beware...I have armor on
JamMeister33
Reply #32 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:39 PM
Reply #32 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:39 PM
The only complaint I have about this site is the apparent contempt expressed for people who make wallpapers. Oh, we're not allowed to have any fun here? If we don't contribute a "SKIN" we are worthless wasters of resources better allotted to skinners? Somebody needs a serious reality check here and it isn't us!
kith
Reply #33 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:40 PM
Reply #33 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:40 PM
Dark,
You have made two mistakes here which are bound to bring in the recently coined "wolpack metality". Thanks for that Davad....! Implying that skinning is not art was bad enough but to then lump all skinners into a filter frenzied no talent group is bound to get stone throwers into action.
Move fast and duck...
You have made two mistakes here which are bound to bring in the recently coined "wolpack metality". Thanks for that Davad....! Implying that skinning is not art was bad enough but to then lump all skinners into a filter frenzied no talent group is bound to get stone throwers into action.
Move fast and duck...
JamMeister33
Reply #34 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:42 PM
Reply #34 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:42 PM
I just love how people take our remarks entirely out of context.... NOT!
Angel_Wings
Reply #35 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:43 PM Well, obviously the wallpapers get plenty of hits cuz they wouldn't keep 'em otherwise...
I purposely deleted my own "accepted" walls a few days ago because I decided to start from "scratch" (not to be confused with scratch -n- sniff)!
Oh well, one thing is for sure...I'm not ABOUT to suck up to ANYONE just to get my stuff accepted...that would be pathetic...so I'd rather be a pain in the bootie instead (he-he)...
Reply #35 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:43 PM
Well, obviously the wallpapers get plenty of hits cuz they wouldn't keep 'em otherwise...I purposely deleted my own "accepted" walls a few days ago because I decided to start from "scratch" (not to be confused with scratch -n- sniff)
! Oh well, one thing is for sure...I'm not ABOUT to suck up to ANYONE just to get my stuff accepted...that would be pathetic...so I'd rather be a pain in the bootie instead (he-he)...
JamMeister33
Reply #36 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:46 PM
Reply #36 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:46 PM
I just wish you had not deleted the walls you already had up, d_s.... 
Angel_Wings
Reply #37 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:47 PM
Reply #37 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:47 PM
TY for the advice Bill...I'll be sure to duck and cover should the wolfpack mentality nip me on the behind!
JamMeister33
Reply #38 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:48 PM
Reply #38 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:48 PM
There wasn't a darn thing wrong with your work, it was posted here wasn't it?
Don't let some idiot convince you that your work is sophomoric.
Some people spew negativity in the name of constructive criticism.
Don't fall prey to it.
Don't let some idiot convince you that your work is sophomoric.
Some people spew negativity in the name of constructive criticism.
Don't fall prey to it.
Angel_Wings
Reply #40 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:49 PM
Reply #40 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:49 PM
JamMeister33...now don't be blue...you can still get them at http://www.darkseraphim.com/ds/darkseraphim.htm
Now smile and laugh or I won't be able to sleep knowing my only ally is frowning!
Now smile and laugh or I won't be able to sleep knowing my only ally is frowning!
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Reply #21 Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:16 PM