Bullsh*t
Sunday, November 3, 2002 by Jadachris2003 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I have been a member of this website for almost a year and a half. And ever since I have been coming here, I NEVER got a "Server Too Busy" error message. But all of a sudden, when they started subscriptions mind you, NOTHING can be downloaded and all I get is a "Server Too Busy" message. If you guys are going to turn this to a subscription only website, do so, don't toy with loyal members by putting up these BULLSH*T error messages.
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Aqua.
Reply #62 Monday, November 4, 2002 8:26 PM
Reply #62 Monday, November 4, 2002 8:26 PM
Ok WOM, I've taken your advice and started a new thread. 
BoXXi, yup, I'm stuck with modem... for another year
Damn I really got suckered by that CompuServe deal, that service is almost as bad as AOL. Yes, yes, I know, it's owned by AOL... I just didn't believe that even AOL could trash such a good service so effectively.
BoXXi, yup, I'm stuck with modem... for another year
Damn I really got suckered by that CompuServe deal, that service is almost as bad as AOL. Yes, yes, I know, it's owned by AOL... I just didn't believe that even AOL could trash such a good service so effectively. 
ToeJo
Reply #63 Monday, November 4, 2002 9:09 PM
Reply #63 Monday, November 4, 2002 9:09 PM
Let me crystalize this as best I can. I am NO artist. Yet...I download tons of artistic works from many amazingly talented people everyday from this site. When Pixtudio comes out with another skin that costs money...I am happy to pay the bill. I will download the Orion icon set and pay the money with a massive smile on my face. I am currently using Chad's H2so4 WB skin and will contribute my $20 to him for some amazing work. Quite frankly, I would pay many of you for the amazing work you all do. I'm honored to use your work and cannot tell you how much I enjoy it.
I'm a level 4 user that is happy to pay my small (even tiny) part to keep a site like this running. I've been paying for ODNT since March of 2000. The products Stardock release are excellent. The website has continues to upgrade itself to handle the bandwidth problems that ALWAYS occur.
I am sick and tired of this constant argument about paying money for something as awesome as this. The fact is...with the amount of money I have paid...I am definitly getting the better end of the deal. Simply put...IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY THEN GO AWAY! IF YOU DON'T GET IT THEN DON'T DOWNLOAD IT! STOP YOUR PISSY WHINING AND GO AWAY...JUST GO AWAY!
I'm a level 4 user that is happy to pay my small (even tiny) part to keep a site like this running. I've been paying for ODNT since March of 2000. The products Stardock release are excellent. The website has continues to upgrade itself to handle the bandwidth problems that ALWAYS occur.
I am sick and tired of this constant argument about paying money for something as awesome as this. The fact is...with the amount of money I have paid...I am definitly getting the better end of the deal. Simply put...IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY THEN GO AWAY! IF YOU DON'T GET IT THEN DON'T DOWNLOAD IT! STOP YOUR PISSY WHINING AND GO AWAY...JUST GO AWAY!
messybuu
Reply #65 Monday, November 4, 2002 11:31 PM
Reply #65 Monday, November 4, 2002 11:31 PM
It is frustrating for servers to be busy, but to selfishly act as if there are no legitimate reasons for the congestion is simply ludicrous. What's also funny is that it's also not only WinCustomize providing higher priority to premium members, because I've seen some a game site full of files that also provides exclusive access to paying members, while having non-paying members wait hours to download the files that they desire. In other words, sites are being congested, and ads don't cut it, but subscriptions might. This is what's going to happen, because I doubt that anybody is going to appear that will provide free unlimited bandwith for all.
Of course, it could also be a conspiracy by all webmasters to make money by pretending that more and more sites are being congested.
Of course, it could also be a conspiracy by all webmasters to make money by pretending that more and more sites are being congested.
wombat_1
Reply #66 Tuesday, November 5, 2002 2:41 AM
Reply #66 Tuesday, November 5, 2002 2:41 AM
ToeJo, very well put! 
As for paying for site content, nothing new there.
I've been a paying member of the DORNA site for a couple of years, and it's worth it to me.
Either an annual subscription or a pay-per-event are available, perhaps this is a possible avenue for WC?
But as we know, US$20.00 (A$40.00) is a pretty good deal anyway!
If one wants it enough it can be done, I managed to subscibe to a Czech site which has NO English in the sign up at all!
Bloody Trolls again .... PULL!
As for paying for site content, nothing new there.
I've been a paying member of the DORNA site for a couple of years, and it's worth it to me.
Either an annual subscription or a pay-per-event are available, perhaps this is a possible avenue for WC?
But as we know, US$20.00 (A$40.00) is a pretty good deal anyway!
If one wants it enough it can be done, I managed to subscibe to a Czech site which has NO English in the sign up at all!
Bloody Trolls again .... PULL!
Lecrayon
Reply #67 Tuesday, November 5, 2002 7:29 AM
Reply #67 Tuesday, November 5, 2002 7:29 AM
Thanks Paxx, thanks Frogboy. That's very clear to me now. For all those people that get angry at me: I am a WC subscriber from the day WB was released, I am an OD user and renewed the subscription just a couple of days ago when I was warned by the component manager to renew. I also have Mormegils icons. I do factfinding on this message board not only for myself, but for everyone to understand how this site is run.
Jadachris2003
Reply #68 Wednesday, November 6, 2002 11:26 PM
Reply #68 Wednesday, November 6, 2002 11:26 PM
Actually I did submit skins, not as many as most of you, but I did. There are VERY VERY talented people on here and that is a fact, I just don't feel that we should pay for things like that. When was the last time any of you got a royalty check? Huh sig? Huh SuPeRhErO? Have any of you recieved a royalty check? I understand that increased users=busy servers that was a very good point. But at the time my mind was clouded with ignorance and disappointment.
Jafo
Reply #69 Thursday, November 7, 2002 12:19 AM
Reply #69 Thursday, November 7, 2002 12:19 AM
Jadachris2003...when was the last time you got a bill for the widely accessible hosting of your works?
Just one of my themes has had 882 downloads of 4,087 meg apiece....that's 3.604 gig for ONE item....not even a particularly 'popular' one.
Along with all my other stuff, and just like all the other people/contributors here....it'd be fairer if WE were charged for the bandwidth our skins/walls/themes are monopolizing...
Just one of my themes has had 882 downloads of 4,087 meg apiece....that's 3.604 gig for ONE item....not even a particularly 'popular' one.
Along with all my other stuff, and just like all the other people/contributors here....it'd be fairer if WE were charged for the bandwidth our skins/walls/themes are monopolizing...
SuperheroCanadian
Reply #70 Thursday, November 7, 2002 12:26 AM
Reply #70 Thursday, November 7, 2002 12:26 AM
what royality check, i dont need one
i havent expected any sort of compensation from the day i started uploading. There are alot of people, so if you pay you should get priority. And to get rid of the server busy just click refresh a few times or come on during off peak hours. Thats what im doing til i can afford a subscribtion.
You dont have to pay for it we could have a site witha ton of popups and our emails sold off, but they dont because they have found a way that workss
i havent expected any sort of compensation from the day i started uploading. There are alot of people, so if you pay you should get priority. And to get rid of the server busy just click refresh a few times or come on during off peak hours. Thats what im doing til i can afford a subscribtion.
You dont have to pay for it we could have a site witha ton of popups and our emails sold off, but they dont because they have found a way that workss
SuperheroCanadian
Reply #71 Thursday, November 7, 2002 12:28 AM
Reply #71 Thursday, November 7, 2002 12:28 AM
Good point this IS free to upload your skins to wide public exposure
HG_Eliminator
Reply #72 Thursday, November 7, 2002 1:20 AM
Reply #72 Thursday, November 7, 2002 1:20 AM
well il say this ...i bought object desk top ..it was worth it to me to have the extras ...il buy a subscription here..why? cause its worth the extras to me .... if ya dont want the extras dont pay.. but dun gripe if ur not payin, that ur not gettin the extras .....is free ta come here but if ya want the goodies ya gotta contribute ta help pay for the extra costs ... an its not like they tryin ta break ur piggy bank ...is cheaper than a years subscription to any magazene.. and more fun
these just my 2 cents
these just my 2 cents
moshi
Reply #73 Friday, November 8, 2002 8:03 AM
Reply #73 Friday, November 8, 2002 8:03 AM
i smell a new conspiracy
QUOTE: "it'd be fairer if WE were charged for the bandwidth our skins/walls/themes are monopolizing"
Frogboy mentioned something similar a while ago. so will that happen soon
QUOTE: "it'd be fairer if WE were charged for the bandwidth our skins/walls/themes are monopolizing"
Frogboy mentioned something similar a while ago. so will that happen soon
Jafo
Reply #74 Friday, November 8, 2002 8:14 AM
Reply #74 Friday, November 8, 2002 8:14 AM
moshi....no, I was merely trying to make a point, showing the converse...
So many people DEMAND that life must be free, yet we, the site's supporters help pay for its existence via subscriptions, interaction, content, etc, and others just 'take, take, take', without any consideration towards 'giving'...
So many people DEMAND that life must be free, yet we, the site's supporters help pay for its existence via subscriptions, interaction, content, etc, and others just 'take, take, take', without any consideration towards 'giving'...
sig101
Reply #75 Friday, November 8, 2002 7:16 PM
Reply #75 Friday, November 8, 2002 7:16 PM
Royalty check? I haven't submitted any skins so that's not an issue. That jibe also is a nonstarter because no one uploads skins here in the anticipation of receiving royalties.
The site is no doubt costly to maintain, even with a volunteer admin staff, and subscriptions are available for those who wish to support the expense of running the site, bandwidth, hardware, etc. That's an increasingly popular model for sites since ads alone do not support site costs.
Additionally, some of us would not support a site that engaged in other means of paying the bills such as intrusive pop ups and banners, email selling and spam. Some sites exist solely on a profit model; this one does not.
I've subscribed and/or donated a few bucks to several different sites because I find it in my interest to support them. If my and others' WC subscriptions result in improved site performance for all users such as the recent server purchase, that's a plus for all users. (By the way, I've received a 'server busy' notice in the past as well so I'd venture that no one has guaranteed access all the time.)
But since you seem to distrust the website admins to the extent that you readily accuse them of fraud (ie, putting up "BS" server busy notices to get people to subscribe) perhaps you'd be more comfortable taking your custom elsewhere. If not, then as with other heavy traffic sites, you compete for access with other users.
The site is no doubt costly to maintain, even with a volunteer admin staff, and subscriptions are available for those who wish to support the expense of running the site, bandwidth, hardware, etc. That's an increasingly popular model for sites since ads alone do not support site costs.
Additionally, some of us would not support a site that engaged in other means of paying the bills such as intrusive pop ups and banners, email selling and spam. Some sites exist solely on a profit model; this one does not.
I've subscribed and/or donated a few bucks to several different sites because I find it in my interest to support them. If my and others' WC subscriptions result in improved site performance for all users such as the recent server purchase, that's a plus for all users. (By the way, I've received a 'server busy' notice in the past as well so I'd venture that no one has guaranteed access all the time.)
But since you seem to distrust the website admins to the extent that you readily accuse them of fraud (ie, putting up "BS" server busy notices to get people to subscribe) perhaps you'd be more comfortable taking your custom elsewhere. If not, then as with other heavy traffic sites, you compete for access with other users.
slinky1947
Reply #76 Friday, November 8, 2002 8:07 PM
Reply #76 Friday, November 8, 2002 8:07 PM
You paya the money, you getta the goodies. I have downloaded tons and tons. Spent my hard earned money and have received well over the value of that dollar from this site. I do so appreciate all the upgrades to all the programs that I use from here (instantly, (through OD) I might add. And because of those bucks I've spent, I get, let's say, a little preferential status. Duh!!!!! And why not? Draws me here day after day. Love the system here, please don't change a thing.
I have downloaded tons and tons. Spent my hard earned money and have received well over the value of that dollar from this site. I do so appreciate all the upgrades to all the programs that I use from here (instantly, (through OD) I might add. And because of those bucks I've spent, I get, let's say, a little preferential status. Duh!!!!! And why not? Draws me here day after day. Love the system here, please don't change a thing.
paxx
Reply #77 Friday, November 8, 2002 10:24 PM
Reply #77 Friday, November 8, 2002 10:24 PM
Joda: "Actually I did submit skins, not as many as most of you, but I did."
I just looked by curiosity and I see nothing. Did you delete them?
I just looked by curiosity and I see nothing. Did you delete them?
bakerstreet
Reply #78 Saturday, November 9, 2002 12:35 AM
Can't we all just get along? I'm gonna go paint flowers!
Reply #78 Saturday, November 9, 2002 12:35 AM
Can't we all just get along? I'm gonna go paint flowers!
Jadachris2003
Reply #79 Saturday, November 9, 2002 1:52 AM
Reply #79 Saturday, November 9, 2002 1:52 AM
No, no, no. I don't believe that you NEED to get a royalty check. I don't think anyone should get one, im not backtracking or anything but I don't think we should get one. Oh and Paxx, FYI this might sound pittifull but im runnin Windows XP on a Dell Optiplex GX110, If you know computers thats an Intel pentium 3 Processor at 700 mhz and a 9.51 GB hard drive. Anyone that downloads mp3s knows that that can take up alot off space, just like users take up a lot of bandwidth. So Yes I did delete them. When I first joined I felt I should contribute, and I did. And to be honest, I don't think I got even 200 downloads, so I did not see the point of keeping it there. I you tryin to sell something and it wont sell, will you continue to advertise it?
Jafo
Reply #80 Saturday, November 9, 2002 2:12 AM
Reply #80 Saturday, November 9, 2002 2:12 AM
Jadachris...if it's just that you are new to skinning and your skins weren't 'thrilling' people, don't worry about it, we can't all be treetogs....but don't delete them totally. It's always a giggle coming back to a golden-oldie of a skin years later and [hopefully] seeing a marked difference with what you're doing now...
BTW....swap your P111/700 for my P111/500...
BTW....swap your P111/700 for my P111/500...
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Reply #61 Monday, November 4, 2002 8:04 PM