BREAKING: Four Dead in Arizona College Shooting
Monday, October 28, 2002 by Aqua. | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
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Bangkokboy
Reply #22 Monday, October 28, 2002 11:53 PM
Reply #22 Monday, October 28, 2002 11:53 PM
Jafo - as per "Live by the sword..." - if you read upward several more posts, you'll see that is precisely what I did. I decided that living by the "sword" beat being eviscerated with broken whiskey bottles by 3 racist %#^$s while the fourth pinned my arms behind my back. Perhaps I should have been more altruistic about the big picture, tossed my gun away, and should have opted to "take one for the greater good of a holier gunfree society"? That would have looked really good as an epitaph on my tombstone! You're right - you'll never convince us, and if I wind up dying by means of a gun you certainly won't hear me comlain about it. 
Aqua.
Reply #23 Monday, October 28, 2002 11:55 PM
Reply #23 Monday, October 28, 2002 11:55 PM
Jafo, the statistic about children and guns is a hard and long known fact.
Children who have been taught about guns (not just told to stay away from them) have the lowest numbers of gun injuries as a class compared to all children. In addition, children who are taught to use guns have an even lower injury rate.
I was taught to use a gun at age 8 and I know a lot of people who were taught at younger ages. Only one person I know who was taught about guns at an early age has ever been injured by one, and he was shot by another hunter who was careless. I know and respect guns, education is the answer, not banning them.
Children who have been taught about guns (not just told to stay away from them) have the lowest numbers of gun injuries as a class compared to all children. In addition, children who are taught to use guns have an even lower injury rate.
I was taught to use a gun at age 8 and I know a lot of people who were taught at younger ages. Only one person I know who was taught about guns at an early age has ever been injured by one, and he was shot by another hunter who was careless. I know and respect guns, education is the answer, not banning them.
Bangkokboy
Reply #24 Monday, October 28, 2002 11:57 PM
Reply #24 Monday, October 28, 2002 11:57 PM
Do you guys at least get to use pocketknives? 
Jafo
Reply #25 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:17 AM
Reply #25 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:17 AM
I was a member of a Rifle Club in secondary school....12 to 17 years old....and taught other children how to shoot....that's open range target shooting, not taking pot-shots at kids in classrooms...
I know I'll never accidently shoot myself for two very good and not mutually exclusive reasons.
1. I know how to handle a rifle/gun.
and
2. I DO NOT have one.
As for pocketknives, they, too will be controlled.
A concealed weapon of ANY sort is not a 'good thing'.
Fortunately for those of us NOT in the US, high-risk occupations like Bullion/cash transportation, Policing, etc. require gun-carrying, but for those in the US, just BEING in the US 'appears' to be a high-risk occupation...
I know I'll never accidently shoot myself for two very good and not mutually exclusive reasons.
1. I know how to handle a rifle/gun.
and
2. I DO NOT have one.
As for pocketknives, they, too will be controlled.
A concealed weapon of ANY sort is not a 'good thing'.
Fortunately for those of us NOT in the US, high-risk occupations like Bullion/cash transportation, Policing, etc. require gun-carrying, but for those in the US, just BEING in the US 'appears' to be a high-risk occupation...
Peff
Reply #26 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:24 AM
Reply #26 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:24 AM
Sheep are very domesticated in OZ....a blunt wooden object usually gets them in the mood.... 
Jafo
Reply #27 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 1:11 AM
Reply #27 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 1:11 AM
Peff...it's all about gumboots...but that's a Kiwi thing.....
New Zealand....where the men are men and the sheep are nervous...
New Zealand....where the men are men and the sheep are nervous...
bakerstreet
Reply #28 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 1:37 AM
Reply #28 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 1:37 AM
lmao... pocketknives... worse yet, SWISS pocketknives...
LOOKOUT!! HE'S GOT A CORKSCREW!!! NO! WAIT, IT'S A SCISSORS... NO! NOW IT'S TWEEZERS!!! AHHHHH! HELP! NOT THE SCREWDRIVER!!!
*thump*
*thump*
*thump*
...poor, dead horse...
LOOKOUT!! HE'S GOT A CORKSCREW!!! NO! WAIT, IT'S A SCISSORS... NO! NOW IT'S TWEEZERS!!! AHHHHH! HELP! NOT THE SCREWDRIVER!!!
*thump*
*thump*
*thump*
...poor, dead horse...
wombat_1
Reply #30 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:30 AM
Reply #30 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:30 AM
Can any of the resident experts on the US gun laws explain why either of the following weapons have ANY place in a legitimate gun owners hands.
1. Mach 10 and derivations of same.
2. The maker escapes me but .... a rifle constructed of hi-tech materials to the highest standards, chambered for the Browning 50 calibre M2 round.
Rational opinions rather than the usual knee-jerk 'cause we can' answers please.
Re the question of knives, yes indeed, very much the weapon of choice among a certain ethnic group, along with chains and numchuckers (qv) ....
1. Mach 10 and derivations of same.
2. The maker escapes me but .... a rifle constructed of hi-tech materials to the highest standards, chambered for the Browning 50 calibre M2 round.
Rational opinions rather than the usual knee-jerk 'cause we can' answers please.
Re the question of knives, yes indeed, very much the weapon of choice among a certain ethnic group, along with chains and numchuckers (qv) ....
Bangkokboy
Reply #31 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:37 AM baker, you're too much. 
Jafo, you're also too much. Thanks for the info.
Reply #31 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:37 AM
baker, you're too much. 
Jafo, you're also too much. Thanks for the info.
Bangkokboy
Reply #32 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:49 AM
Reply #32 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:49 AM
Wombat, neither of the above weapons has an reasonable, defensible use in the hands of a private citizen. At least not one that I've ever heard of. I trashed my beloved old .45 caliber semi-auto-only Thompson with 60 round clip when it occurred to me the horrendous damage that a fool (or worse) could do with it in a mere 8 seconds. (The realization came while I was firing the weapon myself).
WOM
Reply #33 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:52 AM
Reply #33 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:52 AM
I had a 357, six shooter and when the eyes got worse, I sold it and bought a Glock 9mm. More bullets, Didn't have to be as accurate. I hold a concelled hand gun permit, which means that I went thru all the background checks. My weapon is strictly self defence. As I live in a free country I cherrish my right to bear arms. Crooks can get illeagal weapons whenever they want and I like to be prepared. Jafo, if I remember my history, Wasn't Australia a former penial colony? That might be why they are more tight on gun control!
KarmaGirl
Reply #34 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:00 PM
Reply #34 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:00 PM
I'm not even getting into this one.....
I think everyone already knows where I stand on this.
On the topic of kids who are taught about guns from an early age. It's true. Statistically, they do not commit the crimes or be hurt by guns. But, that takes education and people paying attention to the child. Teaching right from wrong (I'm sure you see where I am going with that....) It is also why minors have to take gun safety classes before getting a hunting permit.
I think everyone already knows where I stand on this.
On the topic of kids who are taught about guns from an early age. It's true. Statistically, they do not commit the crimes or be hurt by guns. But, that takes education and people paying attention to the child. Teaching right from wrong (I'm sure you see where I am going with that....) It is also why minors have to take gun safety classes before getting a hunting permit.
Aqua.
Reply #35 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:08 PM
Reply #35 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:08 PM
Jafo, do you also oppose nations having militaries? They have guns too you know.
moshi
Reply #36 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:19 PM
Reply #36 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:19 PM
somehow i believe that if you would teach your children about sex or evolution in your schools instead of guns, that would have a more positive effect on your society. but that´s just me.
Aqua.
Reply #37 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:28 PM
Reply #37 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:28 PM
My view on creation:
There is absolutely no conflict between creationism and evolution and the big bang theory. Scientists are merely trying to explain the methods God used to do what he did.
As for sex, I just hope I don't have a daughter I might end up using my guns offensively
There is absolutely no conflict between creationism and evolution and the big bang theory. Scientists are merely trying to explain the methods God used to do what he did.
As for sex, I just hope I don't have a daughter
I might end up using my guns offensively
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #38 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:28 PM
Reply #38 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:28 PM
How can people casually discuss the gun injury rate amongst children? I'm just pleased to say the schools here don't teach children about guns and the injury rate is nil. What a frightening country.
A gun has only one purpose. Who ever owns one must be prepared to use it for that purpose or why own it. Just remember, like all weapons, guns are useless in the end...
A gun has only one purpose. Who ever owns one must be prepared to use it for that purpose or why own it. Just remember, like all weapons, guns are useless in the end...
KarmaGirl
Reply #39 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:50 PM
Reply #39 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:50 PM
The schools don't teach about guns in the US. That is up to the parents who own guns themselves. There are government run gun safety classes that minors must take to get a hunting permit.
It's like all education "teach your children well." It's up to the parent to talk to their children and teach them right from wrong.
My daughter will know about guns. She will also know that they are used only to kill. She will also know that ammo and guns are stored separately. I will teach her to respect life, as I do.
I could never kill an intruder in my house. You know why? Even if I retreated to the farthest place in my house, and decided it was the only option, it would take me too long to get a gun, put it together, and get it loaded.
These shootings are senseless. I truly feel for the families involved. I hope this violence will make people start teaching their children more about how to avoid violence, or maybe just start paying a bit more attention to our children. I'm not saying that all parents ignore their children, but in a world of more broken homes and poverty stricken single parent families each year, it's not surprising that our children are more violent and grow up to be more violent adults. Not sure how to change that.
It's like all education "teach your children well." It's up to the parent to talk to their children and teach them right from wrong.
My daughter will know about guns. She will also know that they are used only to kill. She will also know that ammo and guns are stored separately. I will teach her to respect life, as I do.
I could never kill an intruder in my house. You know why? Even if I retreated to the farthest place in my house, and decided it was the only option, it would take me too long to get a gun, put it together, and get it loaded.
These shootings are senseless. I truly feel for the families involved. I hope this violence will make people start teaching their children more about how to avoid violence, or maybe just start paying a bit more attention to our children. I'm not saying that all parents ignore their children, but in a world of more broken homes and poverty stricken single parent families each year, it's not surprising that our children are more violent and grow up to be more violent adults. Not sure how to change that.
WOM
Reply #40 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:12 PM
Reply #40 Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:12 PM
Your all right. Weapons have one purpose, to KILL. I own one. Would I go out a shoot people, NO. Thats not the way I was brought up. If it was him, her or me, then it's going to be them. No hesitation. Life is precious, but to me mine is more precious.
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Reply #21 Monday, October 28, 2002 11:12 PM
Ah, but much better a clean kill...
My idea of 'sport' is to shoot barbs of derision at those who promote gun ownership...
Darn it, there's too many guns out there, time to get me an Abrams...or a Merkava....that's a neat little gizmo, too...
[wish dad hadn't given away my 1912 Lee Enfield, though.....would have looked good plugged and over the mantel piece]...