DeviantArt Going Down the Toilet? (Opinion)
Tuesday, September 17, 2002 by geekboy2000 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Apparently, if you can digitize it and upload it, it's allowable on DA. It may have always been that way, and I just didn't notice it, but I think things have gotten worse. Over a period of weeks or months, you'll see "art" that embraces a hate group mentality, "artwork" consisting of someone sitting on the couch, and probably a terabyte of other useless crap. Oh, and maybe a few nice wallpapers or skins. But, yes, I must remember the name of the site is Deviant*ART*, so I guess that explains the "art" consisting of some guy's car parked in his driveway. IMO, visiting the site is a total waste of time these days. I'm sorry if this is an inappropriate rant, but after all this *is* a message, and it's on the "message" board section. If this were DA, I could post a video clip here, and that would be just fine.
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bakerstreet
Reply #22 Wednesday, September 18, 2002 8:41 PM
Reply #22 Wednesday, September 18, 2002 8:41 PM
"deviantART now has 5 individuals assigned to policy violations. This means that they take the reports they receive from the community and act on those as well as browsing through various sections and removing what are blatant policy violations."
Jark, as long as your policy is reactive, and only reactive to blatant material, you will have an active community sneaking in stolen work and likenesses unapologetically. I got hate mail from one supermodel wallpaper artist a week or two ago. He, after being banned, is back at work uploading stolen images to Devart and laughing at me. "I'm here and you are not" he said.
When the moderators stated that they were caught up, the problem sections were still saturated with stolen work and likenesses. Not cryptic work, but Britney likeness we've seen a million times, Anime openly admitted by the artist not to be their work, and newsgroup pr0n that was old five years ago.
That work is there because no one told you to remove it. That policy didn't work for P2P file sharing, and it isn't gonna work for you. You can't claim to be an online file-storage service for artists, because we have seen that even storage services are liable for distributing copyrighted material.
Don't pretend that stolen work is hard to find! They make up a sizable percentage of every page of thumbnails in some sections. If anyone else can find stolen images in less than 30 seconds, so can you guys.
Until this changes you will bleed true artists, slowly but surely, until all you are left with are people who simply don't care if what they download is stolen or not. It is already happening on a smaller scale in some sections at Devart.
I miss devart. I enjoyed the interaction and even a lot of the stuff people are complaining about here. When I look in from time to time I want to contribute so badly. Please, please, have the guts to make a stand now, 'lead by example', like you told me when I first posted about it, months ago.
Jark, as long as your policy is reactive, and only reactive to blatant material, you will have an active community sneaking in stolen work and likenesses unapologetically. I got hate mail from one supermodel wallpaper artist a week or two ago. He, after being banned, is back at work uploading stolen images to Devart and laughing at me. "I'm here and you are not" he said.
When the moderators stated that they were caught up, the problem sections were still saturated with stolen work and likenesses. Not cryptic work, but Britney likeness we've seen a million times, Anime openly admitted by the artist not to be their work, and newsgroup pr0n that was old five years ago.
That work is there because no one told you to remove it. That policy didn't work for P2P file sharing, and it isn't gonna work for you. You can't claim to be an online file-storage service for artists, because we have seen that even storage services are liable for distributing copyrighted material.
Don't pretend that stolen work is hard to find! They make up a sizable percentage of every page of thumbnails in some sections. If anyone else can find stolen images in less than 30 seconds, so can you guys.
Until this changes you will bleed true artists, slowly but surely, until all you are left with are people who simply don't care if what they download is stolen or not. It is already happening on a smaller scale in some sections at Devart.
I miss devart. I enjoyed the interaction and even a lot of the stuff people are complaining about here. When I look in from time to time I want to contribute so badly. Please, please, have the guts to make a stand now, 'lead by example', like you told me when I first posted about it, months ago.
geekboy2000
Reply #23 Wednesday, September 18, 2002 8:43 PM
Reply #23 Wednesday, September 18, 2002 8:43 PM
I think if it were my site, I'd add a field to the submission form (I'm assuming there's not one already), that *requires* the submitter to summarize their thoughts/intent/expression about the piece of work they're uploading in a paragraph. For example: "Man mooning city hall expresses my frustration with our town government". Okay, fine - this guy is expressing an idea via an image that he cares enough about to describe his thoughts. OTOH, "My ex mowing the lawn", probably isn't worth the space it takes up. Anyway, thanks for replying. It truly was a feeling of frustration that prompted me to open this thread. I don't make a habit of trashing web sites anywhere, let alone on another board. But DA has been a regular stop of mine for a long time, and I vented. Next time, I'll vent via DA. Set up the twit filter now. 
jark
Reply #24 Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:12 PM
Reply #24 Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:12 PM
bakerstreet:
"deviantART now has 5 individuals assigned to policy violations. This means that they take the reports they receive from the community and act on those *as well as browsing through various sections and removing what are blatant policy violations*."
realitysquared, above and beyond the others, does this on a daily basis. to sit there and say that we are not actively working to rectify the problem is completely and utterly untrue.
maybe you should have a chat with realitysquared so that he can tell you just how difficult it is to find what you consider easy to find. just because we see an image that uses, say, a female model in it that does not automatically make it a stolen image. maybe the model is someone that none of us recognize. if that is the case then we have to scour the net to look for pictures of this model (this just recently happened in fact) because there is that *off chance* that the "artist" too the picture him/her-self. you would rather that we handle stolen art in a more vigilante style...delete now, ask questions later. we do not work that and never will.
you're telling me to lead by example but are apparently missing the point: i am doing that. i am actively searching sections and removing images that are stolen, when i have the evidence to support it. its not like nothing is being done like you would like everyone to believe.
"deviantART now has 5 individuals assigned to policy violations. This means that they take the reports they receive from the community and act on those *as well as browsing through various sections and removing what are blatant policy violations*."
realitysquared, above and beyond the others, does this on a daily basis. to sit there and say that we are not actively working to rectify the problem is completely and utterly untrue.
maybe you should have a chat with realitysquared so that he can tell you just how difficult it is to find what you consider easy to find. just because we see an image that uses, say, a female model in it that does not automatically make it a stolen image. maybe the model is someone that none of us recognize. if that is the case then we have to scour the net to look for pictures of this model (this just recently happened in fact) because there is that *off chance* that the "artist" too the picture him/her-self. you would rather that we handle stolen art in a more vigilante style...delete now, ask questions later. we do not work that and never will.
you're telling me to lead by example but are apparently missing the point: i am doing that. i am actively searching sections and removing images that are stolen, when i have the evidence to support it. its not like nothing is being done like you would like everyone to believe.
bakerstreet
Reply #25 Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:32 PM
Reply #25 Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:32 PM
I just looked in again, just to make sure things hadn't changed abruptly, and the majority of images on the first few pages wallpapers>females are stolen. That is a *fact*.
There is an artist uploading tons of circa wwII pin-up art that they readily admit isn't theirs, there are Britny pics, Olsen Twins pics, A No-one Lives Forever wallpaper that was taken straight from the site, and every page I click, further and further back shows the same type material, even back to material I reported before I left. I won't take the time to wash, rinse, and repeat in the other troubled sections. What I did find took 5 minutes.
Frankly, it won't matter when the time comes that you gave the benefit of the doubt to the artist. You will simply be accountable for benefitting from and distributing stolen copyrighted material.
If people see that No One Lives Forever wallpaper on your site, and it gives them a favorable outlook toward Devart, or generates traffic for you, then you have benefitted.
Ignorance will not be a valid legal argument when it is openly visible to everyone. If the burden of proof were on the uploader, then it would be the artist, not the theives, that you would be favoring.
I wish you the best, but I have low-expectations unless your policy changes.
There is an artist uploading tons of circa wwII pin-up art that they readily admit isn't theirs, there are Britny pics, Olsen Twins pics, A No-one Lives Forever wallpaper that was taken straight from the site, and every page I click, further and further back shows the same type material, even back to material I reported before I left. I won't take the time to wash, rinse, and repeat in the other troubled sections. What I did find took 5 minutes.
Frankly, it won't matter when the time comes that you gave the benefit of the doubt to the artist. You will simply be accountable for benefitting from and distributing stolen copyrighted material.
If people see that No One Lives Forever wallpaper on your site, and it gives them a favorable outlook toward Devart, or generates traffic for you, then you have benefitted.
Ignorance will not be a valid legal argument when it is openly visible to everyone. If the burden of proof were on the uploader, then it would be the artist, not the theives, that you would be favoring.
I wish you the best, but I have low-expectations unless your policy changes.
Jafo
Reply #26 Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:31 PM
Reply #26 Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:31 PM
jark...
Here's another of my cures for the common cold...and a better mousetrap to boot...
Let's assume that a site gets 1000 'dubious' uploads in a day....and has but 5 people to verify their veracity....
It takes an 'unfair' amount of time to verify all the Britney boobs as not 'original' photos, but a 'rip' of someone's elsewhere....
Change site coding to allow/enable a 'withdrawn from view pending verification' section....[when in doubt, pull out]...
And leave the responsibility for 'verification' with the 1000 people submitting the stuff....much better than 5 people chasing tails....
IF, that's 'IF' the verification is forth-coming then 'Britney's boobs' can be publicly displayed.
So all R-squared need do is look at a pic, think 'ooooh, dunno' and flick it into the 'pending' and auto-send a request for proof.
Then time-limit it even....a week later it's dumped for good if 'proof' doesn't show up...
Call the system 'enforced self-regulation'....call it 'Jafo's despotic rip policing'....whatever....
Or...
Show me how it won't work....
Here's another of my cures for the common cold...and a better mousetrap to boot...
Let's assume that a site gets 1000 'dubious' uploads in a day....and has but 5 people to verify their veracity....
It takes an 'unfair' amount of time to verify all the Britney boobs as not 'original' photos, but a 'rip' of someone's elsewhere....
Change site coding to allow/enable a 'withdrawn from view pending verification' section....[when in doubt, pull out]...
And leave the responsibility for 'verification' with the 1000 people submitting the stuff....much better than 5 people chasing tails....
IF, that's 'IF' the verification is forth-coming then 'Britney's boobs' can be publicly displayed.
So all R-squared need do is look at a pic, think 'ooooh, dunno' and flick it into the 'pending' and auto-send a request for proof.
Then time-limit it even....a week later it's dumped for good if 'proof' doesn't show up...
Call the system 'enforced self-regulation'....call it 'Jafo's despotic rip policing'....whatever....
Or...
Show me how it won't work....
jarget
Reply #27 Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:36 PM
Reply #27 Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:36 PM
Doreen is right. I'm gonna stop doing what she mentioned.
Keep the peace.
Keep the peace.
jark
Reply #28 Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:25 AM
Reply #28 Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:25 AM
bakerstreet: you say that by making an assumption that we see every submission to the site or peruse every section of the site on a daily basis. we have other issues that need handling as well as this issue.
if you are going to attempt to compare deviantART to some type of profit-from-illegal-content scenario then you are completely mistaken. do not try to spread FUD with nifty catch phrases and words that scare everyone away from P2P today.
furthermore, do you honestly think that we do not have legal advice? heh...come on now, be realistic.
if you are so concerned about the wellbeing of DA then *HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM* some way. the best way would be to actually hit the *POLICY VIOLATION BUTTON* and then let the admins do the work from there on out. you would rather sit here and at deviantART and complain about it rather than being proactive though.
its easy to sit back and voice concern for a problem but when you do not want to attempt to help rectify it then you are just as much a part of the problem as those violating policy are.
if you are going to attempt to compare deviantART to some type of profit-from-illegal-content scenario then you are completely mistaken. do not try to spread FUD with nifty catch phrases and words that scare everyone away from P2P today.
furthermore, do you honestly think that we do not have legal advice? heh...come on now, be realistic.
if you are so concerned about the wellbeing of DA then *HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM* some way. the best way would be to actually hit the *POLICY VIOLATION BUTTON* and then let the admins do the work from there on out. you would rather sit here and at deviantART and complain about it rather than being proactive though.
its easy to sit back and voice concern for a problem but when you do not want to attempt to help rectify it then you are just as much a part of the problem as those violating policy are.
joetheblow
Reply #29 Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:45 AM
Reply #29 Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:45 AM
I have not read this whole thread yet but one thing I have to say is while talking about site X on site Y might be diffecult, I believe that Mark Smitka is making a point for disussion. So since he is talking a intellegent approach to the thought it would be more like just asking people opininion of the site. Aslo keep in mind that he did post something like this there and this site is FAR smaller than DeviantART. Also keep in ming who hangs here on the messagboard (lack of cursing, very civil) as oppossed to Deviant ART.
So he is not just voicing an opinion but als intellegently asking what other think.
So he is not just voicing an opinion but als intellegently asking what other think.
bakerstreet
Reply #30 Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:00 AM
, that is the same response I got before i spent months on DA, clicking that damned button. The majority were/are still there after moderators were 'caught up'. My last post stands. The material I pointed out is there. You can't blame us for what is on your server.
You can't hit the first page of what amounts to a dozen-or-so problem sections in a day with 5 moderators? Do you know how silly that sounds? Anyone looking for copyrighted material on Devart can find it in seconds. The problem is you are strangling yourself with self-imposed, needless ethics. If you see Britney, delete her, if you see Tenchi, delete him. Your wallpapers>movies section isn't even feasable under your policy. You don't owe anyone an explaination for doing the safest thing for your business and the right thing for artists everywhere.
If your legal representation is telling you that it is enough to 'work on it' and still have a DB full of copyrighted material, I would get a second opinion. That argument has worked for no one so far.
I thought that surely you would have seen the damage this is doing tp Devart by now, but if you are okay with it, it is your site. I don't have to visit it, though I really, really regret having to avoid it.
!!! ---and BTW, P2P should scare people. There are very, very few legal uses for it and it is being monitored almost constantly. The justice department in the US is being pressured to prosecute people who *download* material rom Kazzaa and Morpheus ( http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,54460,00.html ). Jail and huge fines scare me, don't they you?
Reply #30 Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:00 AM
, that is the same response I got before i spent months on DA, clicking that damned button. The majority were/are still there after moderators were 'caught up'. My last post stands. The material I pointed out is there. You can't blame us for what is on your server.You can't hit the first page of what amounts to a dozen-or-so problem sections in a day with 5 moderators? Do you know how silly that sounds? Anyone looking for copyrighted material on Devart can find it in seconds. The problem is you are strangling yourself with self-imposed, needless ethics. If you see Britney, delete her, if you see Tenchi, delete him. Your wallpapers>movies section isn't even feasable under your policy. You don't owe anyone an explaination for doing the safest thing for your business and the right thing for artists everywhere.
If your legal representation is telling you that it is enough to 'work on it' and still have a DB full of copyrighted material, I would get a second opinion. That argument has worked for no one so far.
I thought that surely you would have seen the damage this is doing tp Devart by now, but if you are okay with it, it is your site. I don't have to visit it, though I really, really regret having to avoid it.
!!! ---and BTW, P2P should scare people. There are very, very few legal uses for it and it is being monitored almost constantly. The justice department in the US is being pressured to prosecute people who *download* material rom Kazzaa and Morpheus ( http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,54460,00.html ). Jail and huge fines scare me, don't they you?
bakerstreet
Reply #31 Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:03 AM
Reply #31 Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:03 AM
www_wired_com/news/politics/0,1283,54460,00.html
sorry for the broken link and the ranting. I'm done.
sorry for the broken link and the ranting. I'm done.
messybuu
Reply #32 Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:10 AM
Reply #32 Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:10 AM
Isn't five individuals a bit small for a site as large and vast as deviantART? I would think that twenty would be the bare minimum.
As for expelling offenders, is there a way to deal with repeat offenders? Not only with deviantART, but with WinCustomize and others as well.
As for expelling offenders, is there a way to deal with repeat offenders? Not only with deviantART, but with WinCustomize and others as well.
bakerstreet
Reply #33 Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:12 AM
Reply #33 Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:12 AM
No, one last thing. Jark I find this statement offensive, it just keeps eating at me:
"...its easy to sit back and voice concern for a problem but when you do not want to attempt to help rectify it then you are just as much a part of the problem as those violating policy are."
That makes everyone responsible for your business to a degree that they are as bad as people who steal and upload. That just goes to show that the 'problem' you are referring to isn't the stolen work, but the outcry for change. I spent months hitting that button and uploading original work to your site. I made suggestions from all perspectives (even the ripper's), none of which were even entertained. You have what you want, there is no reason for any of us to complain anymore.
Forget it. That's enough for me. This kind of wasted time was why I stopped going to Devart to begin with.
"...its easy to sit back and voice concern for a problem but when you do not want to attempt to help rectify it then you are just as much a part of the problem as those violating policy are."
That makes everyone responsible for your business to a degree that they are as bad as people who steal and upload. That just goes to show that the 'problem' you are referring to isn't the stolen work, but the outcry for change. I spent months hitting that button and uploading original work to your site. I made suggestions from all perspectives (even the ripper's), none of which were even entertained. You have what you want, there is no reason for any of us to complain anymore.
Forget it. That's enough for me. This kind of wasted time was why I stopped going to Devart to begin with.
jark
Reply #34 Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:28 AM
Reply #34 Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:28 AM
the problem is not change nor policy. like i said, the admins dont visit every section of the site every day therefore we cant catch every violation every day. again, as i said, realitysquared is doing the majority of the policing of the various sections having already run all through the anime section on one occasion.
the statement i made that you take offense to is the simple truth. if someone is so concerned about it then help out somehow. sitting back and offering up armchair quarterback comments is not help but merely voicing concern. helping out actually involved initiative to institute the change.
i love how you make it sound as if i love all that you complain about. before you make accusations of that nature you would be better off suited to having conducted a little research first.
the statement i made that you take offense to is the simple truth. if someone is so concerned about it then help out somehow. sitting back and offering up armchair quarterback comments is not help but merely voicing concern. helping out actually involved initiative to institute the change.
i love how you make it sound as if i love all that you complain about. before you make accusations of that nature you would be better off suited to having conducted a little research first.
joetheblow
Reply #35 Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:29 AM
Reply #35 Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:29 AM
I think bakerstreet has a point about the images. But I think the point he is missing that jark is saying is that there are only 5 people policing the site. if he is seeing these images so easily, it does not mean that someone else will. That someone else is somewhere else doing something else. So those 5 people are looking over the 300 different sections for this matierial your finding. Aslo keep in mind that those 5 people are also doing other things for the site that has nothing to do with policing.
I have seen some pictures too, maybe even uploaded something I shouldn't have... but sometimes it is hard to tell, it is an opinion whether it is art or someone elses work. Thise who state that it is definatly someone elses work actually still have some space to still upload it as long as it has been minipulated in some way. What way, and how much..????? I have no idea. Is DA profiting off of copywrited material because some Joe Blow wants Brinteny's Boobs and come to the site more often to get boobs? Well, profit is a tricky word when DA is paying for the upload and download of the material. Also keep in mind that Joe Blow didn't click on any ads or is a officail member. He doesn't even pay attention to the ads that are there or closes the pop ups before he sees them.
So DA profiting from copywrited material seems a little far fetched. I think the spend more for material like that then get more. Populatiry of a site only gets you so much money from ads.
I do feel, though, that DA is getting pretty close to P2P. The funny thing about P2P is that I really felt there was a way to police the traffict through naming conventions, id reading programs for the mp3's (no id, it doesn't get uploaded)and other techniques that some people I know are working on as we speak. What really happend to P2P was the lack of policy and people to inforce the policy. Aslo the total misunderstanding of the music industry of P2P and wanting to stop it before they could analys it and us it to there benifit.
I thik DA is far from going down hill but there is a little bit to much noise. I think that is ok, though, in the long run might be a down fall if some one decides to sue or close DA because of the lack of enforcement. Of course that perosn would be much like the music industry by not understanding what is really going on and how they could use it as oppossed to destroy it.
I will be watching DA as well as other sites in the hopes that if it does happens. I am willing to do all I can to help.
I have seen some pictures too, maybe even uploaded something I shouldn't have... but sometimes it is hard to tell, it is an opinion whether it is art or someone elses work. Thise who state that it is definatly someone elses work actually still have some space to still upload it as long as it has been minipulated in some way. What way, and how much..????? I have no idea. Is DA profiting off of copywrited material because some Joe Blow wants Brinteny's Boobs and come to the site more often to get boobs? Well, profit is a tricky word when DA is paying for the upload and download of the material. Also keep in mind that Joe Blow didn't click on any ads or is a officail member. He doesn't even pay attention to the ads that are there or closes the pop ups before he sees them.
So DA profiting from copywrited material seems a little far fetched. I think the spend more for material like that then get more. Populatiry of a site only gets you so much money from ads.
I do feel, though, that DA is getting pretty close to P2P. The funny thing about P2P is that I really felt there was a way to police the traffict through naming conventions, id reading programs for the mp3's (no id, it doesn't get uploaded)and other techniques that some people I know are working on as we speak. What really happend to P2P was the lack of policy and people to inforce the policy. Aslo the total misunderstanding of the music industry of P2P and wanting to stop it before they could analys it and us it to there benifit.
I thik DA is far from going down hill but there is a little bit to much noise. I think that is ok, though, in the long run might be a down fall if some one decides to sue or close DA because of the lack of enforcement. Of course that perosn would be much like the music industry by not understanding what is really going on and how they could use it as oppossed to destroy it.
I will be watching DA as well as other sites in the hopes that if it does happens. I am willing to do all I can to help.
Koasati
Reply #36 Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:01 AM
Reply #36 Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:01 AM
So DA profiting from copywrited material seems a little far fetched.
Joe......Bakerstreet never said they were profiting.....he said they were 'benefitting from and distributing stolen copyrighted material'.
I find a few of your statements very interesting too.
Thise who state that it is definatly someone elses work actually still have some space to still upload it as long as it has been minipulated in some way.
That's just plain BS...........I'm sick of this attitude that if the artist isn't part of the skinning community it's ok to use his/her work without permission. manipulated or not, it isn't right.
Joe......Bakerstreet never said they were profiting.....he said they were 'benefitting from and distributing stolen copyrighted material'.
I find a few of your statements very interesting too.
Thise who state that it is definatly someone elses work actually still have some space to still upload it as long as it has been minipulated in some way.
That's just plain BS...........I'm sick of this attitude that if the artist isn't part of the skinning community it's ok to use his/her work without permission. manipulated or not, it isn't right.
geekboy2000
Reply #37 Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:15 AM
Reply #37 Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:15 AM
. . . what hell hath I wrought?
One thing I'd like to interject at this point, as the thread has taken a few turns since I originated it:
The people posting here, myself included, are posting because they care about DA. Either because they now visit and contribute, or because they once did. I just think it's worth noting, although I guess it's obvious. Definitely lots of good thoughts here though.
One thing I'd like to interject at this point, as the thread has taken a few turns since I originated it:
The people posting here, myself included, are posting because they care about DA. Either because they now visit and contribute, or because they once did. I just think it's worth noting, although I guess it's obvious. Definitely lots of good thoughts here though.
joetheblow
Reply #38 Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:36 AM
Reply #38 Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:36 AM
Would this be an example of wht your talkin about?
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/717666
Not to shout him or her out but I want to understand fully what the arument is.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/717666
Not to shout him or her out but I want to understand fully what the arument is.
joetheblow
Reply #39 Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:49 AM
Reply #39 Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:49 AM
and I ment as far a manipulation is concerned, more than what is origanilly there. I am not sure if that is right or not depending on what is being manimpulated (wallpaper, image, or a image everyone an there mother saw or a skin of witch would be very hard to just change a little bit do to the fact that it is more of a detailed work.
any thoughts?
I personally think after spending time here on WC and DA al well as DeskMod, it is best to do your own work or get permission to base something off of someone elses. I am still waiting for a release to uplaod a Aaliyah DesktopX's just to find out that the images are pretty much free no since the site has closed and the artist past away. As free as they are, though, I can't release the DX's until I get a real confermation to do so. Must of what I got so far was "you can do it but if there is trouble don't involve me"
So technically I have the go ahead, but I still can't because it is not a clear consent. I know it is respectful and ok, but I can't do it because I still want the permission. Some of the guys I talked to was like "What is the problem?? Just go ahead!!"
any thoughts?
I personally think after spending time here on WC and DA al well as DeskMod, it is best to do your own work or get permission to base something off of someone elses. I am still waiting for a release to uplaod a Aaliyah DesktopX's just to find out that the images are pretty much free no since the site has closed and the artist past away. As free as they are, though, I can't release the DX's until I get a real confermation to do so. Must of what I got so far was "you can do it but if there is trouble don't involve me"
So technically I have the go ahead, but I still can't because it is not a clear consent. I know it is respectful and ok, but I can't do it because I still want the permission. Some of the guys I talked to was like "What is the problem?? Just go ahead!!"
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Reply #21 Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:54 PM
>there's a lot of amazing stuff created by incredibily
>talented people. But not everyone's an artist because
>they can click "upload".
deviantART is not only a community for talented artists but for people that are learning to become artists; people who have a slight idea how to use a cool but have not perfected the use of it so that they can create their complete artistic vision. with that in mind, the reason we allow everyone to click "upload" and be considered an artist is because we realize that everyone has to learn somehow. in this case, the best way to learn is through the constructive criticism that many new artists receive from other artists on the site.
>DA is not a democracy, I understand that, but the success
>of any product or service depends upon listening to the
>audience/customer. Chances are, I'm in the minority on
>this issue, so the impact of me or people like me "tuning
>out" is likely to be of little consequence
Of course we listen to our audience/customer. The site would not be where it is today had we not done that. We continue to listen to the community and make the appropriate changes.
>Photos of some guy's car sitting in the driveway, a photo of
>a girl sitting on the couch watching TV, etc. Uploaded stuff
>that doesn't even *pretend* to be art.
We have struggled with this very issue on the staff. It is something that we continue to discuss. At this point in time we have chosen to allow these "pictures" to be submitted until we come up with a definite policy, or feature, to handle them.
>Not directly by e-mail no, but as noted above, by way of a
>post, yes.
The best way to get the attention of the staff on deviantART is to send a Note rather than use the forum.