I hate computers...Episode 20020601.the saga continues
Saturday, June 1, 2002 by Jafo | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Well...it's all to do with that 'second-hand' comp you chuck together for your other half...total cost of bits....AUS $75....not too bad for a P11/333 slot 1....chucking on all the 'cast-off' bits from the various upgrades...
It all gets a little squishy when DirectX 8.1 from XP BSOD's in a dxdiag test and you hear suggestions that a Bios update 'may' be in order.
You open up the box again to look for the name of the board....Via chipsets may need the update, but Intel ones don't....something like that.
Then the fun starts....all you can find for a 'name' is 35-8802-03...in letters about 5mm high...but nothing else...no clear 'VIA' or 'INTEL', apert from the CPU, of course....so there's nothing left for it but to strip 'er down [again].
Everything disconnected from the MB and you pull it out and turn it over....
Not a word....nada...zip.
Waste of time, you say?...and yer right....but I now know that the Dimm sockets were made by Lite-ON [whoopee-do].
On to the net we go....[skipping the 'home-page' [here] for a moment]...and into google..for a giggle.
35-8802-03 gets you a couple of links....in Japanese....nope, no time to study a new language.....
Enter 'slot 1'...ah...much more 'luck', now.....oodles of 'em...all sorted by manufacturer....but...
It's the manufacturer's name that I'm looking for in the first place....I feel I'm getting no-where fast, now...[better than getting no-where slow]..
It's a '98 MoBo....2 Dimms, AGP, 3 PCI, 2 ISA, USB....does this ring a bell....any correlation?
Nope....
Nothing like it...
Gotta be 'discontinued' [obviously]...4 years is ancient...
After a couple of hours of tail chasing...[is it worth it?]...I conclude...
'It takes about 2 hours to get no-where'.
But...
In 2 hours...on a bicycle...I could easily be 40 miles away....from that damn slot 1 computer....
It all gets a little squishy when DirectX 8.1 from XP BSOD's in a dxdiag test and you hear suggestions that a Bios update 'may' be in order.
You open up the box again to look for the name of the board....Via chipsets may need the update, but Intel ones don't....something like that.
Then the fun starts....all you can find for a 'name' is 35-8802-03...in letters about 5mm high...but nothing else...no clear 'VIA' or 'INTEL', apert from the CPU, of course....so there's nothing left for it but to strip 'er down [again].
Everything disconnected from the MB and you pull it out and turn it over....
Not a word....nada...zip.
Waste of time, you say?...and yer right....but I now know that the Dimm sockets were made by Lite-ON [whoopee-do].
On to the net we go....[skipping the 'home-page' [here] for a moment]...and into google..for a giggle.
35-8802-03 gets you a couple of links....in Japanese....nope, no time to study a new language.....
Enter 'slot 1'...ah...much more 'luck', now.....oodles of 'em...all sorted by manufacturer....but...
It's the manufacturer's name that I'm looking for in the first place....I feel I'm getting no-where fast, now...[better than getting no-where slow]..
It's a '98 MoBo....2 Dimms, AGP, 3 PCI, 2 ISA, USB....does this ring a bell....any correlation?
Nope....
Nothing like it...
Gotta be 'discontinued' [obviously]...4 years is ancient...
After a couple of hours of tail chasing...[is it worth it?]...I conclude...
'It takes about 2 hours to get no-where'.
But...
In 2 hours...on a bicycle...I could easily be 40 miles away....from that damn slot 1 computer....
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Fuzzy Logic
Reply #2 Saturday, June 1, 2002 5:54 AM
Reply #2 Saturday, June 1, 2002 5:54 AM
You could try some shareware pc analysis type software to id the thing. Something like SiSoft Sandra would tell you BIOS info, motherboard make, chipset, memeory etc etc.
Doreen
Reply #3 Saturday, June 1, 2002 6:55 AM
Reply #3 Saturday, June 1, 2002 6:55 AM
After a couple of hours of tail chasing...[is it worth it?]...I conclude...
'It takes about 2 hours to get no-where'.
by Jafo - 6/1/2002 3:51:41 AM
nope it's not worth it...
Doreen says buy the better half a better computer
'It takes about 2 hours to get no-where'.
by Jafo - 6/1/2002 3:51:41 AM
nope it's not worth it...
Doreen says buy the better half a better computer
digitaljames
Reply #4 Saturday, June 1, 2002 6:56 AM
Reply #4 Saturday, June 1, 2002 6:56 AM
Easiest way I've found it to look for the FCC number on the board. Should be there somewhere albeit it wont "look" like it was meant to be seen. then go here. http://www.fcc.gov/oet/fccid/
Doreen
Reply #5 Saturday, June 1, 2002 7:02 AM
Reply #5 Saturday, June 1, 2002 7:02 AM
Doreen rally's up the girls for Mrs. Pauly
Get her a new machine!
Get her a new machine!
Get her a new machine!
okay or.....
listen to James hehe
Get her a new machine!
Get her a new machine!
Get her a new machine!
okay or.....
listen to James hehe
Jafo
Reply #6 Saturday, June 1, 2002 7:46 AM
Reply #6 Saturday, June 1, 2002 7:46 AM
James....I know the FCC trick quite well...alas, no FCC number...
Of course....bloody thing won't post.....it's still in bits.
I'll put it all back together again....tomorrow...and....and get straight into the bios....and grab some more clues....
But, heaven help it if I get the message I once got on another comp....
"Keyboard not found.
Press F1 to continue."
Of course....bloody thing won't post.....it's still in bits.
I'll put it all back together again....tomorrow...and....and get straight into the bios....and grab some more clues....
But, heaven help it if I get the message I once got on another comp....
"Keyboard not found.
Press F1 to continue."
Jim
Reply #7 Saturday, June 1, 2002 12:17 PM
Reply #7 Saturday, June 1, 2002 12:17 PM
Hi, before you go down the BIOS road, have you considered a slow rebuild of the system? Take it down to just what is needed in the way of hardware to install the OS, then install the latest VIA 4in1, install Nic card, etc,etc, leaving the Video card and Sound card for last, but in that order. And with the latest drivers you can download.
Your having a problem with the Video card? do you have a ATI card? I remember reading within the directions for ATI's drivers, that before installing the ATI Video drivers install the latest version of DirectX. and that problems can occur the other way around. This can also be true with other Video drivers, maybe worth a try.
Also check out this site for problems with Video stuff http://www.guru3d.com/forum/board.php
Good luck
Your having a problem with the Video card? do you have a ATI card? I remember reading within the directions for ATI's drivers, that before installing the ATI Video drivers install the latest version of DirectX. and that problems can occur the other way around. This can also be true with other Video drivers, maybe worth a try.
Also check out this site for problems with Video stuff http://www.guru3d.com/forum/board.php
Good luck
Jim
Reply #8 Saturday, June 1, 2002 2:02 PM
Reply #8 Saturday, June 1, 2002 2:02 PM
Oops, forgot Here's some other sites that may help,
VIA's http://www.viatech.com/en/index/index.jsp They can help with the chipset thing, or at least rule out it out.
Little more on Video http://www.guru3d.com/guide/detonator-install-guide/
PC in general http://www.pcguide.com/
And if all else fails http://www.pricewatch.com/ a new motherboard
I've heared of a site that can help with motherboard ID's and BIOS's there for, wish I had it for you, try hardware forums.
BTW there is nothing wrong with an old PC, just put together out of old parts, a system for a friend and thats an socket7 with a Pen 233 MX, it runs good, as long as you don't have much running at the same time. It all depends on what your using it for, he's using it mainly for the internet, he loves it, its been running for 6 months now, he moving it into the bedroom, so that he will not disturb anybody, A.aaaaaaaa I'm not so sure I did him a favor anymore? I'm going to stop thinking about this now.
Anyway I love this hardware stuff, anyway I can help, let me know.
VIA's http://www.viatech.com/en/index/index.jsp They can help with the chipset thing, or at least rule out it out.
Little more on Video http://www.guru3d.com/guide/detonator-install-guide/
PC in general http://www.pcguide.com/
And if all else fails http://www.pricewatch.com/ a new motherboard
I've heared of a site that can help with motherboard ID's and BIOS's there for, wish I had it for you, try hardware forums.
BTW there is nothing wrong with an old PC, just put together out of old parts, a system for a friend and thats an socket7 with a Pen 233 MX, it runs good, as long as you don't have much running at the same time. It all depends on what your using it for, he's using it mainly for the internet, he loves it, its been running for 6 months now, he moving it into the bedroom, so that he will not disturb anybody, A.aaaaaaaa I'm not so sure I did him a favor anymore? I'm going to stop thinking about this now.
Anyway I love this hardware stuff, anyway I can help, let me know.
Jafo
Reply #9 Saturday, June 1, 2002 11:37 PM
Reply #9 Saturday, June 1, 2002 11:37 PM
Jim...the main problem is it's a Diamond Viper 770, 32 meg AGP graphic card...and in XP the generic drivers don't like it...nor do the Latest nVidia Detonator drivers....UT only runs in software mode and dxdiag gives you a dump [sometimes a re-boot].
I'll get to the bottom of it eventually....
I'll get to the bottom of it eventually....
Jim
Reply #10 Saturday, June 1, 2002 11:56 PM
Reply #10 Saturday, June 1, 2002 11:56 PM
Hi, I think you'll need S3 Drivers for that card, Try this link http://www.s3graphics.com/ not sure nvidia will work for you.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #11 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:15 AM
Reply #11 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:15 AM
UT Doesn't go too well in XP, no matter what card/drivers you have. I have a dual boot XPFuzzy Logic to get round this. Doesn't help you though...sorry 
Jafo
Reply #12 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:16 AM
Reply #12 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:16 AM
Jim...I'll go look...but the Viper is an nVidia chipset...and was OK with Win2K and Detonator 3 drivers [back then]...
Jafo
Reply #13 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:18 AM
Reply #13 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:18 AM
Fuzzy....
GeForce 2 32meg and Detonator XP drivers and UT is fine....runs just great...
GeForce 2 32meg and Detonator XP drivers and UT is fine....runs just great...
Jafo
Reply #14 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:20 AM
Reply #14 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:20 AM
Er..that's a different comp....XP on a BX6 Slot 1 P111/500 1 gig PC133 running at 100 [old board].
It's this 'OTHER' one that's the drama queen...
It's this 'OTHER' one that's the drama queen...
Jafo
Reply #15 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:26 AM
Reply #15 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:26 AM
Jim...S3 no longer supports Viper....[I had been there ages ago]...so nVidia is 'it'...
Griffinme
Reply #16 Sunday, June 2, 2002 1:08 AM
Reply #16 Sunday, June 2, 2002 1:08 AM
What computer did it come out of? I am assuming that it was an OEM special since you have almost no info about it.
Acer made boards for several differant companies.
Acer made boards for several differant companies.
Jafo
Reply #17 Sunday, June 2, 2002 3:47 AM
Reply #17 Sunday, June 2, 2002 3:47 AM
OK...using it here and now....440EX chipset [Intel]...tried another graphic card....but it's a Stealth....another Diamond card...so it's no better...so I'm back to the Viper...
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #18 Sunday, June 2, 2002 5:11 AM
Reply #18 Sunday, June 2, 2002 5:11 AM
Hey, how did I get that red writing in my post. Do I know something I don't know?
As to your problem: just buy a new one - this old one sounds fragged and you know no matter how good it is she's going to say 'thanks for the pc....yours is a nicer colour though...'
As to your problem: just buy a new one - this old one sounds fragged and you know no matter how good it is she's going to say 'thanks for the pc....yours is a nicer colour though...'
Jafo
Reply #19 Sunday, June 2, 2002 10:12 AM
Reply #19 Sunday, June 2, 2002 10:12 AM
Fuzzy...
Type / m e [without the spaces] and it inserts your nick and changes colour...
eg... Jafo can do it, too.....
Type / m e [without the spaces] and it inserts your nick and changes colour...
eg... Jafo can do it, too.....
Jim
Reply #20 Sunday, June 2, 2002 11:39 AM
Reply #20 Sunday, June 2, 2002 11:39 AM
Hi, does WindowsXP list a driver for it at all? I guess what I'm asking is have you tried running with any of the drivers that are built into XP. I know that they are not the best but maybe that will get around that DirectX thing.
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Reply #1 Saturday, June 1, 2002 4:38 AM