Why do people "need" spoilers?

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 by Jafo | Discussion: Movies & TV & Books

I know everyone sees them on racing cars, especially Formula One, where it's evolved into a science and artform......

....but in reality 'low-speed' [that's what it is] aerodynamics will show they are as beneficial as the proverbial 'tits-on-a-bull' at anything RESEMBLING a legal speed limit.

Yes, an F1 develops enough downforce at 120mph to drive upside-down on a ceiling....[which is totally impractical], and even the road car I drive has a rear 'spoiler' added because designers discovered the car wanted to 'wander' at speeds around 130-odd.

OK, so they look 'groovy'....like Starsky and Hutch's 'stripes'....but really....

 

The issue is with people who insist on SPOILING other people's enjoyment of a film or TV series, etc.... why?....to show off that they have seen it already...or what?

Here's a hint.

It's called a "spoiler" FOR A REASON!

 

What say you learn communication skills which enable you to talk ABOUT a movie  WITHOUT ruining it for anyone else, OK?

It's actually NOT THAT HARD.

And no, alerts are meaningless....and about as useful [usually] as warning someone you are about to shoot with..."this might hurt".

 

Remember the movie with the line "I see dead people"?  Imagine how that can be SPOILED.

Saying [about Titanic]..."oh, the boat sinks in the end..." isn't quite the same thing....and that's where common sense kicks in....along with consideration for others.

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ZombiesRus5
Reply #21 Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:23 PM

DrJBHL
Correct. That 'spoiler' crap is simply obnoxious, rude behavior. And spare me the 'coy' crap as well. Enough is enough.

spoilers have never really bothered me as I simply choose not to read threads about something I'm interested in seeing and have not seen yet. 

I may also have mixed some official position Jafo was stating as a moderator with what now simply appears to be his opinion on the matter. The forums do clearly show a support for having spoiler content, though I would hope people would be respectful of others and use the tag and warnings despite the arguments presented in the OP.

I've enjoyed conversations with like minded people in this forum around Walking Dead for example. 

Also as stated previously the forum is for the enjoyment of all. However, I doubt there is an expectation that we all enjoy the forum in the exact same way. This shows in the diversity of topics and people that visit these forums.

I do have some sympathy for a moderator that job entails reading things that might spoil the content but don't see this as a reason to limit discussion on topics like movies, games or books with others.

Satrhan
Reply #22 Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:37 PM

In the case of Prometheus ... it's been released a few weeks.  MOST people will not have seen it yet.

And that's why I'm showing some restraint and haven't read the thread about that movie. Maybe you have to read everything posted here because that's your job, but no-one else is forced to read anything.

If it's SO IMPORTANT to someone that they MUST reveal details then it's reasonable to expect it will STILL be so important to them 12 months from now....when it may be fair to assume anyone likely to be wanting to see it - has.[/quote]

There's nothing reasonable about that. What do you expect people to do? Mark their calendar 12 months from the moment they think of something they want to talk about, just to remove the small chance they give away some detail about something you haven't seen yet?

The forums are for the enjoyment of all, not merely some.
Except people who want to talk about things like plot details apparently..

[quote who="DrJBHL" reply="19" id="3178745"]That 'spoiler' crap is simply obnoxious, rude behavior. And spare me the 'coy' crap as well. Enough is enough.

You act as if all we do is going around and finding threads about works of fiction and posting plot details just for the fun of posting them and ruining other people's enjoyment. Perhaps we just want to talk about said plot points with others who have also seen or read it. Most of the time we even warn people that plot details are following, so you should stop reading if you don't want to know yet. Sometimes we even use the spoiler tags, which must be here for a reason as ZombiesRus5 pointed out.

What I find obnoxious is people telling me I can and can't talk about.

Edit: That, and the quotes not working propperly from time to time

InAUGral
Reply #23 Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:45 PM

Why else look in the movie thread if not to discuss the movies plot.

Jafo
Reply #24 Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:59 PM

Satrhan
You act as if all we do is going around and finding threads about works of fiction and posting plot details just for the fun of posting them and ruining other people's enjoyment. Perhaps we just want to talk about said plot points with others who have also seen or read it. Most of the time we even warn people that plot details are following, so you should stop reading if you don't want to know yet. Sometimes we even use the spoiler tags, which must be here for a reason as ZombiesRus5 pointed out.

If that's the case you can always create a SPECIFIC thread about 'whatever' with a spoiler "warning" in the title, rather than divert a thread authored by someone else about a different topic.  That way there's a better chance no-one's enjoyment of a movie/book/show will be ruined whilst in said different topic.

As to whether you intentionally go "around finding threads" all that is apparent is the result.  The motivation is not.

tazgecko
Reply #25 Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:00 PM

I haven't seen Prometheus yet, going this Saturday. It was a movie I was always going to see ... and because of that, I didn't look at the Theory of the Prometheus Movie post. Wouldn't have a clue what happens, might check the post out after the weekend

Jafo
Reply #26 Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:13 PM

ZombiesRus5
I would hope people would be respectful of others and use the tag and warnings despite the arguments presented in the OP.

And so would I....

Specifically, the thread re Prometheus was posted by someone suggesting the story/background was related to/inspired by Halo .... at a time when all anyone knew of the Movie was from preview trailers [which are not spoilers, obviously] and clarification of its background/basis was from the film's Director [Ridley Scott] in interview, again not a spoiler by definition.

There was/is no reason to subsequently add spoilers, tagged or otherwise to someone else's thread.

 

And no, as an Admin I don't necessarily have the advantage of simply avoiding threads for whatever reason - it's not about 'me' it's about others who frequent the forums whose enjoyment [of a story] may be inadvertently ruined by the actions of a few.

Yes, the blackout text is a helpful feature but it still beggars the question why do people NEED to post spoilers?

Sinperium
Reply #27 Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:02 AM
Jafo
Reply #28 Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:43 AM

"It’s also possible that it’s “easier” to read a spoiled story. Other psychological studies have shown that people have an aesthetic preference for objects that are perceptually easy to process.

“So it could be,” said Leavitt, a psychology doctoral student at UC San Diego, “that once you know how it turns out, it’s cognitively easier – you’re more comfortable processing the information – and can focus on a deeper understanding of the story.”"

 

So...in other words....spoilers are for morons.

 

That 'study' is a load of tripe....ranking up with the government grant to develop a female surfboard.

 

Why bother going-along-for-the-ride in a series like 'Survivor'?  [I certainly don't] but have a friend who was Lighting Director on most of them ....and he had an NDA with a Seven Million Dollar US penalty clause [he knew the winner before the show was aired fully].

 

Again, you "DON'T talk about Fight Club" because the story has a twist.  It is more than 'just' a line of dialogue....

 

Heavenfall
Reply #29 Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:22 AM


Quoting Heavenfall, reply 7Mostly it's just people that want to discuss the whole thing with each other combined with the fact that the world doesn't revolve around you.


The world does not revolve around exclusionists who believe they have the right to disclose plot details ruining the enjoyment of others.

If someone wishes to get indepth with minutae do it 'exclusively' via Personal Message.  ONLY your target audience will be affected.

 

Have you ever wondered about the subtext of "The first rule of Fight Club"?

 
How many of you out there have had the results of a race/match/tournament revealed to you/blurted out to you BEFORE you had sat down to watch it?


Was it fun?

 

How can the freedom of Stardock's Forums be equated with warnings 'excluding' members from accessing certain threads in case their enjoyment [of something] may be harmed?

Stardock's sites/forums are free to ALL, without fear nor favour [only limitation is to 13+ [COPPA]].  To attempt to exclude some members for any 'reason' IS against "Official Policy".

The forums are for the enjoyment of all, not merely some.

So you want the forums to be free and available to all, where noone is excluded, and you're trying to argue that we can't do certain things? Riiiiight.

Just so we're on the same page, my opinion: posting spoilers is rude because it steals enjoyment from others and we have the spoiler tag for that reason (probably). But I think we should be able to discuss works of fiction on these forums.

Made you look

DrJBHL
Reply #30 Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 AM

Wizard1956
Downforce.  Put one on my lawnmower, cut 3 minutes off my mowing time.

Yo, Wiz. I can believe it! New nick: "Warp 8 Wiz."

 

 

  

Jafo
Reply #31 Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:35 AM

Heavenfall
So you want the forums to be free and available to all, where noone is excluded, and you're trying to argue that we can't do certain things? Riiiiight.

There are lots of 'things' you cannot do on these forums.....always have been.

And, yes, we're on the same page re "spoilers is rude" which is why they should be limited to their own authored threads, not those of others.

DrJBHL
Reply #32 Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:37 AM

There are lots of 'things' you cannot do on these forums.....always have been.

And, yes, we're on the same page re "spoilers is rude" which is why they should be limited to their own authored threads, not those of others.

Absolutely. Manners.

Jafo
Reply #33 Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:43 AM

On a side note....only 2 more Karma and I'm Satan....

at the moment it's 664....'the neighbour of the beast'....

DrJBHL
Reply #34 Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:14 AM

.'the neighbour of the beast'

The neighbourhood of The Beast. 

2k's granted.

When it hits 666 I'm posting it as definitive proof!

CRAP!

Someone gave you one while I was!

No matter. Ps is my friend.

 

 

But I like thse better:

   

  

Jafo
Reply #35 Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:21 AM

Oh, well....the moment has passed....

Fuzzy Logic
Reply #36 Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:41 AM

I could have told you, but it would've been a spoiler...

RedneckDude
Reply #37 Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:18 PM

Fuzzy Logic
I could have told you, but it would've been a spoiler...
That's good Fuzzy....roflmao!!

Heavenfall
Reply #38 Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:31 PM

Should have made a new thread about it. Now you've ruined it for me.

Jythier
Reply #39 Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:38 PM

Did you read that one post by Jafo?  There's a twist about halfway through - it's actually about movies!!!

AragornV
Reply #40 Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:39 PM

The Internet is a spoiler machine. There are so many inadvertent ways to have things spoiled for you.

Where forums are concerned...I kind of feel like if someone isn't smart enough to read the topic of a post and realize they are taking a calculated risk of having things spoiled for them if they continue, then I don't have much sympathy for them. Especially since I could avoid that forum post entirely, log on Facebook and accidentally read someone's status: "OMGZZ FREDDIE DIED??!!! SO SAD!!!"

If you are passionate enough about something that a spoiler would ruin your life, bury your head in the sand until you watch/read it as soon as possible. If you take too long, that's too bad. The Internet isn't going to wait for you and why should it?

That said, those that post spoilers in a thread with no context or reason are trolls.

Edit: I doubt this will go over well

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