Sick of HDD's Dying So I Bit The Bullet
went and got me a SSD
Thursday, May 26, 2011 by starkers | Discussion: Personal Computing
I recently had to migrate my OS from one HDD to another due to the old one pretty much dying of old age [was probably close to 6 y/o], and now the drive I migrated to is playing up. The thing is, this newer drive isn't that old... probably 16 months and just out of warranty, so it is annoying. A lot of the time I can hear it thrashing and making unhealthy sounds, so I ducked out today and bought myself a 120gb OCZ Vertex 2 to house my main OS, which is Win 7 Home Premium x64.
Given the prices at local PC stores, I think that I got it at a pretty good price.... $229.00 AUD from an online trader who doesn't mind pickups. Yeah, I just rocked up at the warehouse, submitted my order via one of their terminals, and 5 minutes later I had the product in my hand. It was a bit more than I wanted to spend, but I'm tired of the mechanical drives going guts up and hope this 'no moving parts' SSD is more durable
I haven't installed it as yet, being I have a few preliminaries to attend to first, but I shall be shutting down in the next few minutes to bung it in my tower. I plan to use Acronis to clone the OS over to its new home so I don't have to rewrite Windows or reinstall all my apps. Hopefully, it all goes smoothly and I save myself the time and pain of having to reinstall everything from scratch.
Anyhow, I'll post later to say how it all went.
Reply #22 Thursday, May 26, 2011 12:38 PM
Quoting natas2, reply 7Welcome to the world of awesome. You'll never go back to mechanical hdd's again.
That's an overstatement. SSDs have their disadvantages - high price per unit of storage space, and said limited life expectancy. Using SSD for everything is mostly colossal waste of money.
Not an overstatement at all. But maybe I should have clarified. My statement should be in context of the main hdd for the OS.
Reply #24 Thursday, May 26, 2011 2:10 PM
OUCH! I hope it was not a shocking experience for you!
Generally true. I keep them until they die, but after a few years, they become secondary drives that just stores backup stuff. So if they do fail, no harm no foul (unless the primary fails as the same time).
Reply #25 Thursday, May 26, 2011 3:12 PM
I guess the speaker felt left outside the PC case an was trying to crash the party inside.
I still have a 40GB and 200GB IDE hard drive in my kids old computer. I don't use the 200GB much but it's there just in case. Both work fine, I think. I do get a hard drive failure msg every time I restart the PC, but I have been seeing it for nearly 2 years now. Must be set on slow motion failure.
Reply #26 Thursday, May 26, 2011 11:16 PM
Well not everything went to plan, unfortunately, as the cloning of my OS drive did not/would not work. I used Acronis' clone disc feature and no go... I used another proggie I got from Major Geeks, but that wouldn't/didn't work, either. Turns out I installed this SSD at the right time because the Hitachi HDD housing my OS has died completely. It doesn't show up in the BIOS anymore so I'm figuring it'll become a doorstop somewhere around here.
Anyway, I used up another of my installs and re-wrote Win 7 on my new SSD. It all went smoothly and in record time, with the entire process completing in under 20 minutes... like I went upstairs to make a cuppa and by the time I got back it was done. All I had to do was set the network preference and voila, an up and running OS. Now all I have to do is install all my apps again.
I got it in a little plastic packet with no box no info, but I rang the bloke where I bought it and he told me the warranty is 12 months... and no, it's not because he couldn't be bothered. I've been going to this store for the past 9 years and he has never let me down/refused to return goods on warranty. However, I will never purchase another Hitachi HDD, given this experience
No, I only have SATA 2 ports at the moment. However, while I have notice a marked speed increase from before, my primary thought was geared more toward longevity/durability than speed.... and I hope that no moving parts will provide that.
As sole user of this PC, I don't think I'm going to come anywhere near close to the read/write usage you speak of, and given the experiences of people with the same SSD as mine, I am not too worried about its longevity or over-extending its write capability. Sure all things wear out or die in the end, and I've not had the best of luck with HDD's recently, but I feel this SSD is a step in the right direction.
Not for an OS, at least. They're still too expensive to become data storage vessels as yet, so obviously I will continue using the regular drives as storage and SSD's for OS/boot drives. The thing is, I like what I've seen thus far. Program installations are lightening quick and data transfers seem to be a few kbs faster as well.
I have an Australian freecall number to call for support should I need it, so hopefully I do not experience the same low standard as you did. And yeah, let's hope the odds are... that I'll not need to call that number.
Yours is one of the experiences that I based my decision to go with an SSD rather than a mechanical drive.
And no, it had nothing to do with yrag's considered opinion that you could fuck up anything PC.... and haven't... as yet. ![]()
No, it was because your SSD experience came across to me as one of stability, reliability and great performance. Furthermore, your comments coincided pretty much with many others I'd read about the OCZ drives, so it seemed like a no brainer to me... though I opted for the larger 120gb so as not to feel cramped.
Besides, if yrag is right, and you can fuck up anything PC, then the OCZ nust be one tough little mother......
Reply #27 Thursday, May 26, 2011 11:56 PM
Just as everything fails or dies, but I'm hoping this SSD's life expectancy exceeds the 'planned obsolescence' If it lasts until I'm 65, and I'm 58 now, I'll consider that I've gotten my money's worth. If it lasts longer, then that's a bonus.... and maybe by then they'll be as cheap as chips [fries, that is] and it's not a financial pain in the butt to replace them.
Thank ye, me bucko, an' I'll be shure ta keep me PC out o' tha sea air. P'raps I'll cut orf a bit o' sail ta make a lil encloshure fer it. ![]()
Over the last 9 years or so, 4 all up. One was from a known faulty batch and was replaced without question... another was second-hand and I don't know how much usage it had beforehand [I had it at least 4 years]..... the third was the 6 y/o drive I recently migrated my OS from, and that pretty much had 24/7 usage during those 6 years... and the fourth is this Hitachi POS that's now a doorstop.
Yeah, my second HDD failure dropped quite a bit of music, but being that it's all on CD's I've collected over the years it wasn't the calamity it could have been. It took a while to rip it all back to my PC, but never mind, at least it kept me off the street a while. As for the videos and photos lost with that HDD failure, well those were all backups of backups anyway.... family stuff that goes way back and was on disc as well as being kept by other family members as well.
One thing I've noticed with this SSD, there's very little noise coming from my tower. If I take the time to listen I can hear the CPU fan humming away, but only just, and perhaps the front case fan a little as well, but there's no more clunkedy clunk of the Hitachi in its death throes. Yup, I'm pleased with my purchase thus far.
Reply #29 Friday, May 27, 2011 4:12 AM
just pick up the ssd and connect it again and it should work again unless it is in several pieces(ssd's are rated for very high "G" loadings whereas the HDDs are if LUCKY rated to 5 "G", but expect only 1-2 "G" when parked, and ONE "G" in use)
harpo
Reply #30 Friday, May 27, 2011 6:06 AM
I had a problem like that, and Yrag had me make a boot dic and boot from it, and then run chkdsk /f /r . Turns out I had some bad sectors which prevented making the image and which were fixed.
Sorry I only saw reply #26 just now, Mark (time difference). You might want to try that on the old disk anyway... ? Don't know if it's worth your time or not.
Reply #32 Friday, May 27, 2011 3:08 PM
Not a chance... it is firmly afixed to the drive bay inside my rig... and that can't fall any farther [unless we have an earthquake] cos it's already on the ground. I gotta say, though, these SSD's are diddy little things. Having never seen one before, I thought it would be bigger. Oh well, so long as it does the job.
Nah, I think it's cactus.... cactus being an Oz term for f****d. It no longer shows up in the BIOS so I'm fairly confident that it is d - e - a - d.... dead. Never mind, I'm pretty much finished installing everything now, and any important data [music, video, documents, etc] was backed up to another drive so I've lost nothing but my time, really. Yes, I got frustrated when things didn't go to plan, and yes, I let fly a few cuss words here and there.... orright, A LOT of cuss words here and there, but I'm as happy as a hog in muck right now, with my rig running the best it ever has.
reply 25
. I do get a hard drive failure msg every time I restart the PC,
Must be an HP.
Aye.... HP shood ought ter be made t' walk tha plank.... AARRGGHHHH!!!!!
Reply #33 Friday, May 27, 2011 8:50 PM
Pretty sure he's right....though I do actually build my own machines...![]()
Re its size...yes it does look somewhat small and useless .... but that's the way computers go.....except Graphic cards. They just get bigger and bigger....![]()
Reply #35 Friday, May 27, 2011 9:20 PM
Hey.........my lappys an HP and its working great. My last tower was an HP Pavilion and that one worked great to. Too bad it had Vista on it though.. The only other one I had was an eMachine. That worked pretty good. A few people I knew had Gateways and they sucked plus Dells. They weren't too bad but knock wood never had issues with anything HP.
Reply #36 Saturday, May 28, 2011 2:04 AM
Same here... if something can go wrong, I generally find a way to make it happen. However, I also build my own machines.... and for the most part they go pretty good... I've just been a bit unlucky with hard drives, that's all... though I did get one bit of luck. My PC bloke rang to tell me that my Hitachi drive can be exchanged. Apparently it belongs to a batch that was recalled due to a faulty mechanism.
I haven't been around computers as long as many around here, but I have picked quite a few tips and ideas from various folk who have shared their experiences with the rest of us... and I cannot leave yrag out of that group of people. I have probably learned more about PC's from his responses to folk here [myself included] than anywhere else.
That's for sure. If my drive bays were facing front to rear, instead of left to right, my GTX260 wouldn't fit. Besides, I like the side-on mounting of drives because it makes for a tidier case, with much of the wiring/cabling hidden from view between the drive bay and the right side, looking from front to back.
As for the SSD, bigger isn't always best and I can't help but be impressed with the performance of this baby. Startups and shutdowns are lightening fast, as are program installations and operations, not to mention data transfers, etc. I use TeraCopy to move and copy data, and wow, speeds up to 80 plus kbs... the best I saw before was in the mid to high 30's, sometimes low 40's.
Now you shouldn't be asking that here. There'll be all sorts of answers, many exaggerated, and stringis envy will occur.
reply 32
Aye.... HP shood ought ter be made t' walk tha plank..
Hey.........my lappys an HP and its working great
Okay, then, yours can stay aboard... if'n it be'aves itself. Tha first sigh o' mutiny frum it, 'owever, an' it'll be keel'auled afore us makes it walk tha plank... orright?
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Reply #37 Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:54 AM
Uvah - when they work, they are fine. It is just the quirks they have (like the HD failing thing). I once had one that the message kept coming up for years! The HD never failed (I of course got scared and moved my data off, but the computer still worked until it just got too dang slow).
Reply #38 Tuesday, May 31, 2011 3:52 PM
Well, if you have a little more that 240000$ and a PCI express 16x slot free, you can always try the io-drive octal ( http://www.fusionio.com/products/iodriveoctal/?tab=photos )... 5.12TB of capacity, read at 6.0 GB/s, write at 4.4 GB/s... beware that i wrote GB and not Gb... by example the 6.0 GB/s is in fact 48 Gb/s, almost 5 time faster that the new thunderbolt interface... with 6 drive, read speed can reach 1TB/s ( 8Tb/s ), speed that no hard drive can reach...
Well, this type of SSD is not for the general public but for data center, same with high buying price, it allow to spare a lot of money each year, mainly on the side of electric power... a data center with 792 server/55440 hard disk/396 SAN controllers/132 rack/1584 DDR Infinyband link can be replaced with 220 server/6 rack/448 DDR Infiniband link...
Point is that SSD for home user is somehow limited today but what we see in the professional sector today can become tomorrow the norm for home desktop...
Reply #39 Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:26 PM
Thoumsin....yep, there's stuff around that is seriously quick...but also seriously priced...![]()
The actual limiter for FSX isn't drive speed...not even how big your GPU might be....but instead it's the CPU.
My 'current' FSX install [heavily edited] is 79gig, 170,000 files.
The most recent 'removals' to keep it 'small' are 28gig, 56,000 files.
The backup install [incremental] shows....109gig, 219,000 files.
Stuff not used... 50gig, 134,000 files.
Total comes out as 256gig, or 579,000 files .... so there's probably actually a SSD that'd fit 'em....but there's no real point....![]()
Reply #40 Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:43 AM
Based on this thread I picked up an SSD and I am fairly blown away. It's like that feeling you got when you install a fresh OS. Only double it, if you're doing a fresh OS on an SSD.
Time to turn my old drives into ze raid.
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Reply #21 Thursday, May 26, 2011 11:46 AM
The last HD failure I had was way back when 1gig was about as big as you could buy.
I lost 2 before working out what was crashing the heads.....namely a bad solder job on the PC speaker...so the box/chassis was LIVE.
The Comp co couldn't work it out....I did though whilst doing the second replacement myself [else a third drive would have died].
I do have a much later 160gig that's getting old and frail....sometimes forgets to wake up, but as I mentioned...by the time you need to replace one you'll WANT to anyway because it's too small/slow/old/not trendy enough.