Windows XP Upgrades
Wednesday, July 4, 2001 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
With so many people making XP skins, how many of you are actually plannin to upgrade to Win XP?
If not, how many of you are planning to stick with Win98/ME?
If not, how many of you are planning to stick with Win98/ME?
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Dangeruss
Reply #22 Thursday, July 5, 2001 11:58 AM
Reply #22 Thursday, July 5, 2001 11:58 AM
I'll stick with Win2000, thanks. XP, while I'm sure if has some core OS improvements, seems a bit too much like 'Uncle Bill' holding my hand and making it all pretty and simple to do 'neat-o' stuff like organize all my pictures and mail them to GrandMa. Factor in the unwanted 'protection / registration / uber itegration' and it's a pretty easy decision to opt out for now. I'll play with it when I get a new system and I'm force fed the OS by the manufacturer.
thecat2000
Reply #23 Thursday, July 5, 2001 2:40 PM
Reply #23 Thursday, July 5, 2001 2:40 PM
Well XP Rocks. 
I just love the new features and improved interface of windows. wether you actually use Luna OR NOT you will still be buying a really cool operating system. 
There are a TON of new features in XP that just jumps all over 9x from a great hight ! I think it is a worthy upgrade and for the new things that are in the OS it is certainly worth your time trying it out.
Forget Luna themes, dont let this put you off buying it. Windows XP is not JUST luna.!! it is a whole new Operating system and as Microsoft claims will be more stable and faster than any previous version. Well not sure on the speed side of things, but if it enables me to carry on using windows with out it crashing, and having to restart the computer then it's worth it !
I just love the new features and improved interface of windows. wether you actually use Luna OR NOT you will still be buying a really cool operating system. 
There are a TON of new features in XP that just jumps all over 9x from a great hight ! I think it is a worthy upgrade and for the new things that are in the OS it is certainly worth your time trying it out.Forget Luna themes, dont let this put you off buying it. Windows XP is not JUST luna.!! it is a whole new Operating system and as Microsoft claims will be more stable and faster than any previous version. Well not sure on the speed side of things, but if it enables me to carry on using windows with out it crashing, and having to restart the computer then it's worth it !
Dangeruss
Reply #24 Thursday, July 5, 2001 3:47 PM
Reply #24 Thursday, July 5, 2001 3:47 PM
Cat2K, If that's the biggest benefit, then it's lost on me. Win2K - uptime 764 hours 13 min. That's over a month w/o rebooting.
paxx
Reply #25 Thursday, July 5, 2001 4:44 PM
Reply #25 Thursday, July 5, 2001 4:44 PM
OK, somebody please give me one single advantage XP has over 2000.
Although I read some people say it's so great and it's such a big improvement, I haven't read any so far. So, what's it got that 2000 doesn't?
Although I read some people say it's so great and it's such a big improvement, I haven't read any so far. So, what's it got that 2000 doesn't?
Jafo
Reply #26 Thursday, July 5, 2001 7:28 PM
Reply #26 Thursday, July 5, 2001 7:28 PM
OK, Paxx...
XP only requires 2 key-strokes to type, and 2000 requires 4.....
XP only requires 2 key-strokes to type, and 2000 requires 4.....
Elfkura
Reply #27 Thursday, July 5, 2001 7:41 PM
Reply #27 Thursday, July 5, 2001 7:41 PM
It really is just a matter of point of view.............
I'm running 98 because it was on the HD itself when I installed it.
I'm running 98 because it was on the HD itself when I installed it.
Aquamonkey
Reply #28 Thursday, July 5, 2001 10:10 PM
Reply #28 Thursday, July 5, 2001 10:10 PM
"OK, somebody please give me one single advantage XP has over 2000."
Compatability (games, apps, hardware) bigtime over NT/2000
Compatability (games, apps, hardware) bigtime over NT/2000
Mackintosh
Reply #29 Thursday, July 5, 2001 10:16 PM
Reply #29 Thursday, July 5, 2001 10:16 PM
Win2k never gave me any problems, haven't had the need to reformat ever since I installed it in late 1999. Unless something comes out that I'll absolutely want to use and it won't run on win2k, then maybe I'll upgrade to XP, otherwise, I see no reason whatsoever.
jtfolden
Reply #30 Friday, July 6, 2001 1:07 AM
Reply #30 Friday, July 6, 2001 1:07 AM
Hmmm, I've not had much problem in the way of hardware/app compatibility under W2k...and any of the newer games I've tried have run well too.
Considering I spend about 75% of my time on OS X now I think I'll leave my other machines on W2k and wait to see what arrives after XP.
Considering I spend about 75% of my time on OS X now I think I'll leave my other machines on W2k and wait to see what arrives after XP.
paxx
Reply #31 Friday, July 6, 2001 9:49 AM
Reply #31 Friday, July 6, 2001 9:49 AM
Hum, from what I read about the Win9x emulator that will ship with XP, it still will not be compatible with everything. So I would still need a dual boot anyway, like I do now to play the few games that won't work un 2k (actually, only my Tomb Raider games don't work, and it's the only reason I keep the dual boot - everything else works fine).
So, nope. It's not a reason enough to spend hundreds of dollars to upgrade. Anything else?
XP is really just cosmetic "enhancements" of 2k along with all the Hailstorm crap where you basically give all your personal information (including credit card number) to Microsoft so you can retrieve it from other device (and so other people can also retrieve it from anywhere!!!!) Yeah right.
So, nope. It's not a reason enough to spend hundreds of dollars to upgrade. Anything else?
XP is really just cosmetic "enhancements" of 2k along with all the Hailstorm crap where you basically give all your personal information (including credit card number) to Microsoft so you can retrieve it from other device (and so other people can also retrieve it from anywhere!!!!) Yeah right.
craeonics
Reply #32 Friday, July 6, 2001 10:39 AM
Reply #32 Friday, July 6, 2001 10:39 AM
If XP is faster than 2000 I'll change my nick to Kermit the Frog.
MurkWorks
Reply #33 Friday, July 6, 2001 11:00 AM
Reply #33 Friday, July 6, 2001 11:00 AM
One other improvement (that is not an improvement for home users) is the ability to logout and have all your programs still running. Then have someone else log in whilest those same programs are still running for the first user. This feature is great for me at work.!
RobbieRobb
Reply #34 Friday, July 6, 2001 4:36 PM
Reply #34 Friday, July 6, 2001 4:36 PM
I've been running build 2481 for about three weeks now and haven't had to reboot once. (That's on a brand new Dell Inspiron 4000) I love it. I did have a little bit of trouble with WindowBlinds but then I realized it was my stupidity that was prohibiting the operation. (Although I don't think I've figured out how to exclude programs yet)
I just downloaded RC1 from conxion this morning and haven't had a chance to burn it out yet and install it but will be doing so this weekend.
I just downloaded RC1 from conxion this morning and haven't had a chance to burn it out yet and install it but will be doing so this weekend.
thecat2000
Reply #35 Friday, July 6, 2001 6:11 PM
Reply #35 Friday, July 6, 2001 6:11 PM
Well I have been running 2495 of XP Pro, and seems stable.
I haven't tested the intigrated Cd burning that windows XP has though, But yes it has a great amount of changes to the way windows Looks. [No] not on about Luna before anyone thinks..
The way the Control Panel has been changed looks pretty nice, and you still have access to the old style Control Panel. Or use the Categorised View.
The changes also can be seen in the way you view items in windows Explorer too, either as tiled or iconised or thub nail views on items in explorer.
while this is a superfical improvment, the way you now handle files seems more friendlier too.? Viewing graphics files as many of us do, is more easier too, as the Picture prieview is already in Windows Me and 2000, you may think well how much better can it be? but I find the new layout for viewing these files more better than before.
The start Menu I like the idea of putting recently used programs on the start menu along with My computer etc, is a neat idea.
As for speed, nope I dont think XP is too hot on this, but this also depends on what performance options you chose for your PC.
You will find there are different performance levels XP can work at. You can put more performance into the system Cache or to Execute programs faster. etc.
Other nice features I find is the Log off part of it..yes it is pretty cool logging off and still having your session still 'Active' while some one else uses the PC. most other things seem to be visual improvements such as antialising. Better organised Short cut links, and a few other things.
All I can say is if your used to Win2000, and like it, then stay with it ! But if your like a lot of people, who like to try new things out then Try it out.
I haven't tested the intigrated Cd burning that windows XP has though, But yes it has a great amount of changes to the way windows Looks. [No] not on about Luna before anyone thinks..
The way the Control Panel has been changed looks pretty nice, and you still have access to the old style Control Panel. Or use the Categorised View.
The changes also can be seen in the way you view items in windows Explorer too, either as tiled or iconised or thub nail views on items in explorer.
while this is a superfical improvment, the way you now handle files seems more friendlier too.? Viewing graphics files as many of us do, is more easier too, as the Picture prieview is already in Windows Me and 2000, you may think well how much better can it be? but I find the new layout for viewing these files more better than before.
The start Menu I like
the idea of putting recently used programs on the start menu along with My computer etc, is a neat idea. As for speed, nope I dont think XP is too hot on this, but this also depends on what performance options you chose for your PC.
You will find there are different performance levels XP can work at. You can put more performance into the system Cache or to Execute programs faster. etc.
Other nice features I find is the Log off part of it..yes it is pretty cool logging off and still having your session still 'Active' while some one else uses the PC. most other things seem to be visual improvements such as antialising. Better organised Short cut links, and a few other things.
All I can say is if your used to Win2000, and like it, then stay with it ! But if your like a lot of people, who like to try new things out then Try it out.
paxx
Reply #36 Friday, July 6, 2001 6:59 PM
Reply #36 Friday, July 6, 2001 6:59 PM
Well I like new things, I'm a gadget freak. But not when there is more bad than good.
I haven't tried XP but I've tried all the XP Desktop X themes out there, and if the start menu works the same way in XP as in those themes, I really don't like it. Pretty much, I don't like any of the cosmetic "enhancements" XP has. If I was stuck with XP I would disable all those HTML Start menus/Folder views crap.
If it's the only "good" thing XP has, then no thank you.
As for stability, I can't see XP being more stable than 2000, since 2000 is rock solid.
Finally, the fact that you can log off and still keep your applications opened and running, I admit that is nice. Maybe some day Windows will catch on to Linux. Less cosmetics, and more real OS enhancements such as those and we might see a decent Microsoft server OS in a few years. But please, cut it with those ridiculous performance-hog eye candies.
I have software such as Windowblinds if I want nice looking windows.
I haven't tried XP but I've tried all the XP Desktop X themes out there, and if the start menu works the same way in XP as in those themes, I really don't like it. Pretty much, I don't like any of the cosmetic "enhancements" XP has. If I was stuck with XP I would disable all those HTML Start menus/Folder views crap.
If it's the only "good" thing XP has, then no thank you.
As for stability, I can't see XP being more stable than 2000, since 2000 is rock solid.
Finally, the fact that you can log off and still keep your applications opened and running, I admit that is nice. Maybe some day Windows will catch on to Linux. Less cosmetics, and more real OS enhancements such as those and we might see a decent Microsoft server OS in a few years. But please, cut it with those ridiculous performance-hog eye candies.
I have software such as Windowblinds if I want nice looking windows.
thecat2000
Reply #37 Friday, July 6, 2001 7:04 PM
Reply #37 Friday, July 6, 2001 7:04 PM
a- hem Paxx,
You can ALSO change the appearance of Windows XP to the normal classic view of Windows 9x. You dont HAVE TO use the new Start Menu at ALL !! choose the Windows classic theme, and you will see everything as it is in Windows 9x or win2k. including the old style start Menu too.
You can ALSO change the appearance of Windows XP to the normal classic view of Windows 9x. You dont HAVE TO use the new Start Menu at ALL !! choose the Windows classic theme, and you will see everything as it is in Windows 9x or win2k.
including the old style start Menu too.
paxx
Reply #38 Friday, July 6, 2001 11:15 PM
Reply #38 Friday, July 6, 2001 11:15 PM
Yes, I know. That's why I said I would turn all that crap off if I was forced to use it.
But in the end, if I turn everything off, why should I upgrade?
Anyway, Microsoft itself said that XP is not intended for current Win2000 users, but for current Win9x users. Windows 2000 users are expected to keep Windows 2000. No reason to upgrade, other than weird personal satisfaction of knowing you have upgraded.
But in the end, if I turn everything off, why should I upgrade?
Anyway, Microsoft itself said that XP is not intended for current Win2000 users, but for current Win9x users. Windows 2000 users are expected to keep Windows 2000. No reason to upgrade, other than weird personal satisfaction of knowing you have upgraded.
thecat2000
Reply #39 Saturday, July 7, 2001 12:50 AM
Reply #39 Saturday, July 7, 2001 12:50 AM
..That depend on which side of the fence you sit on paxx..
If you happen to be a business then I believe Microsoft are forcing businesses to upgrade, Fortunately for Home users we dont have to do that Well As I said before if your happy with what you have then there is no need to change it
But the thing is, people have the wrong idea thinking that the Pro version of XP is not any different from Windows 2000. It does have some improved features over Windows 2000. But it depends on how much you need the new OS I guess, if win2k does everything you need already, then stay with it
If you happen to be a business then I believe Microsoft are forcing businesses to upgrade, Fortunately for Home users we dont have to do that
Well As I said before if your happy with what you have then there is no need to change it But the thing is, people have the wrong idea thinking that the Pro version of XP is not any different from Windows 2000. It does have some improved features over Windows 2000. But it depends on how much you need the new OS I guess, if win2k does everything you need already, then stay with it
paxx
Reply #40 Friday, August 10, 2001 9:08 PM
Reply #40 Friday, August 10, 2001 9:08 PM
just resurecting this thread for SpaceGhost's benefit.
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Reply #21 Thursday, July 5, 2001 9:29 AM