..calling on all XP authors .... please read and reply ;) thanks
Tuesday, June 26, 2001 by thecat2000 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I have decided to post this thread due to the recent problems that windows XP skins and Wallpapers etc. are having on the community.
To XP authors, :- please for the sake of God please dont do any more updates. There is nothing new coming out of Xp skins and it does not benefit the community to keep re hashing old skins. I ask you and urge you to prove your skills as real skinners and show a real show of originality in your skins now. Also consider producing new a fresh idea's to share within the community.
thank you.
Many of you have thought me to be taking this issue to personally, but in a great way I have done due to the fact that I was in the center of the storm which XP created. XP has ok been re hashed and updated by that many skinners now the idea of Luna has become boring. [Poor old Microsoft] I do feel sorry for that. After all the development that went into it.
I have submitted my last work on XP so I make a simple request for others to do that. wether you considered your work to be un finished or wether it was to keep you in the top ten (If it is this reason I think thats shallow) and plays on the gullibility of the public)but please stop doing work that just looks the same as the last ! as it not helping anyne.
thanks.
To XP authors, :- please for the sake of God please dont do any more updates. There is nothing new coming out of Xp skins and it does not benefit the community to keep re hashing old skins. I ask you and urge you to prove your skills as real skinners and show a real show of originality in your skins now. Also consider producing new a fresh idea's to share within the community.
thank you.
Many of you have thought me to be taking this issue to personally, but in a great way I have done due to the fact that I was in the center of the storm which XP created. XP has ok been re hashed and updated by that many skinners now the idea of Luna has become boring. [Poor old Microsoft] I do feel sorry for that. After all the development that went into it.
I have submitted my last work on XP so I make a simple request for others to do that. wether you considered your work to be un finished or wether it was to keep you in the top ten (If it is this reason I think thats shallow) and plays on the gullibility of the public)but please stop doing work that just looks the same as the last ! as it not helping anyne.
thanks.
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Sylva
Reply #42 Friday, July 6, 2001 8:50 PM
Reply #42 Friday, July 6, 2001 8:50 PM
ELWIN!!!! Don't you realize that it doesn't really count towards the "I'll never do another XP skin" line if it's done by request?
Shame on you for forgetting!
Shame on you for forgetting!
Elwin
Reply #43 Friday, July 6, 2001 9:49 PM
Reply #43 Friday, July 6, 2001 9:49 PM
Darn - I'm sorry.
I PROMISE that this will be the last time I mention it.
Well, unless somebody asks me...
I PROMISE that this will be the last time I mention it.
Well, unless somebody asks me...
thecat2000
Reply #47 Saturday, July 7, 2001 1:11 AM
Reply #47 Saturday, July 7, 2001 1:11 AM
Well sorry but excuse me for being Kind Hearted towards people who want a Theme in a certain resolution but no one had bothered to support. As I am the kind of Kind Hearted, and general nice person I some times do these things due to the fact people write to me and make a personal request.
I really did not personally want to make the Theme, but it is really just a request that as been forfilled for people who wanted the theme. For the point that people who are making XP skins besides me, I guess this post would indeed have been ignored to that degree anyway. The post was an attempt to help at least curb the amount of XP skins, but as I say I never actually planned on making this skin/Theme.
..oops now people ask is there a 800x600 version
no ! no more please...I want to be set free from XP !..yep they can download that other Metalic theme for DX 
I really did not personally want to make the Theme, but it is really just a request that as been forfilled for people who wanted the theme. For the point that people who are making XP skins besides me, I guess this post would indeed have been ignored to that degree anyway. The post was an attempt to help at least curb the amount of XP skins, but as I say I never actually planned on making this skin/Theme.
..oops now people ask is there a 800x600 version
no ! no more please...I want to be set free from XP !..yep they can download that other Metalic theme for DX 
pjpowell
Reply #49 Saturday, July 7, 2001 5:27 AM
Reply #49 Saturday, July 7, 2001 5:27 AM
Maybe if a specific person requested it you could put it on your personal website (if you have one) or email them directly. If you don't have a web site and don't want to email it I would be happy to put it up on mine. Should you get any more speicfic requests that is.
thecat2000
Reply #50 Saturday, July 7, 2001 6:15 AM
Reply #50 Saturday, July 7, 2001 6:15 AM
Hmm thanks pjpowell. I will remember what you posted here if the situation is needed again. I have not found time to finish my own site off so this would be nice !
As for spidermonkey, since when did this site allow personal attacks on authors now ? comment on my work by all means, but dont start to attack me in person. I have zero tolerance for this within the community. No one author should be treated with comments like the ones I have seen posted towards me. Over the past few weeks, I have found a percentage of the comments were directed at me and not at the work I had submitted.
This to me is un acceptible, and would like to know if Wincustomize is also operating a ZERO Tolerance nature to this ? Some how I am not sure.
If it is ACCEPTIBLE for Authors to be personally attacked and recive things like harrasment, abuse of any nature, Then I am afraid that this just makes me sick. Anyone who condones the treatment that I have been given over this XP Crap, are just as bad as the ones who made the personal attacks at me.
As for spidermonkey, since when did this site allow personal attacks on authors now ? comment on my work by all means, but dont start to attack me in person. I have zero tolerance for this within the community. No one author should be treated with comments like the ones I have seen posted towards me. Over the past few weeks, I have found a percentage of the comments were directed at me and not at the work I had submitted.
This to me is un acceptible, and would like to know if Wincustomize is also operating a ZERO Tolerance nature to this ? Some how I am not sure.
If it is ACCEPTIBLE for Authors to be personally attacked and recive things like harrasment, abuse of any nature, Then I am afraid that this just makes me sick. Anyone who condones the treatment that I have been given over this XP Crap, are just as bad as the ones who made the personal attacks at me.
Jafo
Reply #51 Saturday, July 7, 2001 7:53 AM
Reply #51 Saturday, July 7, 2001 7:53 AM
I love you anyway, Ms. Cat...
[that should balance things out a bit]...hehe...
OK, so I just have a thing for all the women...
[that should balance things out a bit]...hehe...
OK, so I just have a thing for all the women...
Spydermonkey
Reply #52 Saturday, July 7, 2001 12:40 PM
Reply #52 Saturday, July 7, 2001 12:40 PM
It's not an attack, its an reminder. And all you do is go into defense mode. Let me refresh your memory. Here are words that you have posted in this very thread:
begin cat2000 quotes------>
"I have submitted my last work on XP so I make a simple request for others to do that."
"To XP authors, :- please for the sake of God please dont do any more updates. There is nothing new coming out of Xp skins and it does not benefit the community to keep re hashing old skins. I ask you and urge you to prove your skills as real skinners and show a real show of originality in your skins now. Also consider producing new a fresh idea's to share within the community."
"You know guys, I was one of the most well known XP authors and I did many imports as I looked for the perfect one. BUT.. Now I look back at this and realise how narrow minded I was in doing them. Instead of developing my own artist skills."
"Thanks for understanding I know many of you have gone for ages to me to do some original work, at the time it made me feel miserable, as I just wanted to get my PC to look like the Luna appearance. But even I have to move on some time.. So there certainly wont be any new Luna themes uploaded by me to wincustomize.."
<------end cat2000 quotes
After all of that, you post more XP work. If that is not hypocrisy, then what is? Please enlighten me.
Do you fear dropping out of the Top Authors list? If so, then doesn't that make you shallow? (that was the word you used to describe this action).
My post was to point out to you that what you say and what you do are obviously two very different things. If you hadn't posted all of these XP rants, then I nor anyone else wouldn't have anything to say, would we?. Think about it before you post your reply. And if you need anymore cat2000 quotes, just say the word.
All that said, yes, you still have the right to post XP skins if you want. No one can stop you (believe me, they've tried).
begin cat2000 quotes------>
"I have submitted my last work on XP so I make a simple request for others to do that."
"To XP authors, :- please for the sake of God please dont do any more updates. There is nothing new coming out of Xp skins and it does not benefit the community to keep re hashing old skins. I ask you and urge you to prove your skills as real skinners and show a real show of originality in your skins now. Also consider producing new a fresh idea's to share within the community."
"You know guys, I was one of the most well known XP authors and I did many imports as I looked for the perfect one. BUT.. Now I look back at this and realise how narrow minded I was in doing them. Instead of developing my own artist skills."
"Thanks for understanding I know many of you have gone for ages to me to do some original work, at the time it made me feel miserable, as I just wanted to get my PC to look like the Luna appearance. But even I have to move on some time.. So there certainly wont be any new Luna themes uploaded by me to wincustomize.."
<------end cat2000 quotes
After all of that, you post more XP work. If that is not hypocrisy, then what is? Please enlighten me.
Do you fear dropping out of the Top Authors list? If so, then doesn't that make you shallow? (that was the word you used to describe this action).
My post was to point out to you that what you say and what you do are obviously two very different things. If you hadn't posted all of these XP rants, then I nor anyone else wouldn't have anything to say, would we?. Think about it before you post your reply. And if you need anymore cat2000 quotes, just say the word.
All that said, yes, you still have the right to post XP skins if you want. No one can stop you (believe me, they've tried).
thecat2000
Reply #53 Saturday, July 7, 2001 4:30 PM
Reply #53 Saturday, July 7, 2001 4:30 PM
Well there is one think that gets up my nose, and that is people who assume to much..
I take what you have done as well as other's as a personal attack on me not just the work. It seems at Wincustomize it is also acceptible to do that though.
You carry on quoting all you like because I get tired of reading through it. I know the things i said, and DONT NEED REMINDING. There is a fine line between given general advise to some one and then harrasing them. Just remember that Spidermonkey.
I do NOT upload XP themes just to stay in the Top Ten. Look if you are not able to comprehend the simple comments I have made about the New XP Silver theme I made, then this is not my problem. I told you over a dozen times why I had to submit it here. If I had a Web site I would of psted it there.
If YOU want to believe I am Shallow then I can't stop you thinking that..But unfortunately you will never know how wrong you are in what you think about me anyway. At the end of the day it is my word against the rest as usual. The real fact of the matter is, I am generally Kind Hearted and willing to help people within the community, My soul aim is not Windows XP all the time.
If you will not accept my reason's for posting the XP theme then this is a problem YOU need to deal with. But i will tell you now I will not be dictated to on what I can and cannot do by people who are none Admins of this site. Give Advise, help, etc by all means, but Hypocracy is not an issue here.
You may think so but this is what YOU choose to believe because you cannot comprehend the reasons I gave in the first place of why I posted them.
Basically
1) It was impractical to e mail the skin to every one who happened to want it. Taking up a lot of time doing so.
2) I would have posted them elsewhere if could have been helped. But my own web site is far from finished.
3) The General Public availability for the theme makes sense for other who would like to try the theme out, who were unknown to me.
It has nothing to do with Downloads or the Top Ten even, it just simply was put here for convienience to me and for others who asked me as a personal request to make the theme for the 1280 resolution
Now what you choose to do with my reasons is down to you. If you don't accept what i say then fine. But just remember none of you really know me, and jump in to quick to judge. The fact none of you know me as a person out line's this even more.
But I am not making any more comments on this as I feel I have said everything i need to say. Yes i am DAMN DEFENSIVE. You would be too if you were in this posistion.
Don't pretend that the things that have been directed at me over the weeks in some cases have been directed at me personally and not just the work. The fact that you make out I am possibly a 'shallow person' indicates this. I actually hate this whole affair, and wish I hadn't even bothered with XP skins at all. The fact that this site lately has been a nightmare for me and basically I have had no enjoyment or fun being here due to the level of complaints about me and the work I submitted. It just leaves me feeling very sad. The fact that this whole thing has reduced me to tears before today, [Quite recently] shows just how much I have had to take as well.
Well look you obviously won't accept my words on this, so if my words really are that meaningless to people then so be it.
I take what you have done as well as other's as a personal attack on me not just the work. It seems at Wincustomize it is also acceptible to do that though.
You carry on quoting all you like because I get tired of reading through it. I know the things i said, and DONT NEED REMINDING. There is a fine line between given general advise to some one and then harrasing them. Just remember that Spidermonkey.
I do NOT upload XP themes just to stay in the Top Ten. Look if you are not able to comprehend the simple comments I have made about the New XP Silver theme I made, then this is not my problem. I told you over a dozen times why I had to submit it here. If I had a Web site I would of psted it there.
If YOU want to believe I am Shallow then I can't stop you thinking that..But unfortunately you will never know how wrong you are in what you think about me anyway. At the end of the day it is my word against the rest as usual. The real fact of the matter is, I am generally Kind Hearted and willing to help people within the community, My soul aim is not Windows XP all the time.
If you will not accept my reason's for posting the XP theme then this is a problem YOU need to deal with. But i will tell you now I will not be dictated to on what I can and cannot do by people who are none Admins of this site. Give Advise, help, etc by all means, but Hypocracy is not an issue here.
You may think so but this is what YOU choose to believe because you cannot comprehend the reasons I gave in the first place of why I posted them.
Basically
1) It was impractical to e mail the skin to every one who happened to want it. Taking up a lot of time doing so.
2) I would have posted them elsewhere if could have been helped. But my own web site is far from finished.
3) The General Public availability for the theme makes sense for other who would like to try the theme out, who were unknown to me.
It has nothing to do with Downloads or the Top Ten even, it just simply was put here for convienience to me and for others who asked me as a personal request to make the theme for the 1280 resolution
Now what you choose to do with my reasons is down to you. If you don't accept what i say then fine. But just remember none of you really know me, and jump in to quick to judge. The fact none of you know me as a person out line's this even more.
But I am not making any more comments on this as I feel I have said everything i need to say. Yes i am DAMN DEFENSIVE. You would be too if you were in this posistion.
Don't pretend that the things that have been directed at me over the weeks in some cases have been directed at me personally and not just the work. The fact that you make out I am possibly a 'shallow person' indicates this. I actually hate this whole affair, and wish I hadn't even bothered with XP skins at all. The fact that this site lately has been a nightmare for me and basically I have had no enjoyment or fun being here due to the level of complaints about me and the work I submitted. It just leaves me feeling very sad. The fact that this whole thing has reduced me to tears before today, [Quite recently] shows just how much I have had to take as well.
Well look you obviously won't accept my words on this, so if my words really are that meaningless to people then so be it.
bananafactor
Reply #54 Saturday, July 7, 2001 5:04 PM
Reply #54 Saturday, July 7, 2001 5:04 PM
TheCat, don't take everyone so seriously... they really like their debates and some people aren't happy if they don't flame each other from time to time (no offence meant, spydermonkey) . It's just like that on this board, I know it only from watching, it is not for very long that I actually talk here, but I've been reading it for some time.
The admins aren't better by the way, just look at frogboy, he sure likes debating too
the point people are trying to make is just that you urged XP authors not to update their skins anymore, but then update yours yourself. I understand you just wanted to give people what they requested, but of course if you act this way, you're basically saying 'shoot me' to the ones who really don't like this whole XP stuff going on lately.
So if you're sure you did the right thing, don't defend yourself that much, don't get irritated at people who don't understand, try to explain what you did, if they don't understand, well...
And most important of all, try to have fun about this whole thing, because that's what it's supposed to be...
The admins aren't better by the way, just look at frogboy, he sure likes debating too
the point people are trying to make is just that you urged XP authors not to update their skins anymore, but then update yours yourself. I understand you just wanted to give people what they requested, but of course if you act this way, you're basically saying 'shoot me' to the ones who really don't like this whole XP stuff going on lately.
So if you're sure you did the right thing, don't defend yourself that much, don't get irritated at people who don't understand, try to explain what you did, if they don't understand, well...
And most important of all, try to have fun about this whole thing, because that's what it's supposed to be...
treetog
Reply #55 Saturday, July 7, 2001 5:17 PM
Reply #55 Saturday, July 7, 2001 5:17 PM
thecat: the thing is, your acts are on a competly different way of your speech. Doing that, you give the others, the right of not believing in what you say.
Please, don't think that I'm calling you a liar.I think that when you see a "not so good" comment, you gets upsad, you react without thinking better before saying something, then, in the day after when you are relaxed, you begin thinking on a different way.
As you may see in many of your skins uploaded here and at devianart, the comments on them, looks like flamed message boards, just people arguing with you, instead of leaving real feedback about the specific skin/theme.
If I'm not wrong, you have 2 different ways to follow:
1- the easiest: Forget the cummunity comments and continue making all the XP skins and themes you want without using any kind of request excuse to do it and for sure you will continue having all the downloads that Microsoft XP OS makes. In this case, I suggest you to don't reply to the bad comments.
2- the less easy: Listen to the "not so few" requests of the cummunity and begin making your own original stuff wich you promissed around 2 months ago that I know you capable to do. Doing that, be prepaired for much better comments, rates and very probably, the dlls. =Þ
Please, don't think that I'm calling you a liar.I think that when you see a "not so good" comment, you gets upsad, you react without thinking better before saying something, then, in the day after when you are relaxed, you begin thinking on a different way.
As you may see in many of your skins uploaded here and at devianart, the comments on them, looks like flamed message boards, just people arguing with you, instead of leaving real feedback about the specific skin/theme.
If I'm not wrong, you have 2 different ways to follow:
1- the easiest: Forget the cummunity comments and continue making all the XP skins and themes you want without using any kind of request excuse to do it and for sure you will continue having all the downloads that Microsoft XP OS makes. In this case, I suggest you to don't reply to the bad comments.
2- the less easy: Listen to the "not so few" requests of the cummunity and begin making your own original stuff wich you promissed around 2 months ago that I know you capable to do. Doing that, be prepaired for much better comments, rates and very probably, the dlls. =Þ
thecat2000
Reply #56 Saturday, July 7, 2001 5:32 PM
Reply #56 Saturday, July 7, 2001 5:32 PM
Well treetog this is just IT. People think I ONLY want to DO XP skins. No ?! *actually* I dont. I want to do other things, and will most certainly look at doing more new themes from the beginning of Next Week.
I don't like the fact that on the message boards people seem to resent me. I just want them to understand I am not just here for Windows XP. I hope to be still here when XP is finally here in its final build. Hopefully by this time I will have shown the community what i can do anyway.
I don't like the fact that on the message boards people seem to resent me. I just want them to understand I am not just here for Windows XP. I hope to be still here when XP is finally here in its final build. Hopefully by this time I will have shown the community what i can do anyway.
Alexandrie
Reply #57 Saturday, July 7, 2001 5:52 PM
Reply #57 Saturday, July 7, 2001 5:52 PM
The real problem is not because you are doing XP skin.
You are saying to everybody
"I have submitted my last work on XP so I make a simple request for others to do that."
Be carefull when you say something like that. You really said "LAST WORK ON XP". Did you respect what you said?
..............NO!
This is the kind of stuff people dislike. If you don't want people complaint so much about it, just don't make promess. Don't claim things you will not respect.
You are saying to everybody
"I have submitted my last work on XP so I make a simple request for others to do that."
Be carefull when you say something like that. You really said "LAST WORK ON XP". Did you respect what you said?
..............NO!
This is the kind of stuff people dislike. If you don't want people complaint so much about it, just don't make promess. Don't claim things you will not respect.
Spydermonkey
Reply #58 Saturday, July 7, 2001 6:54 PM
Reply #58 Saturday, July 7, 2001 6:54 PM
Here is the request for your latest theme followed by your response:
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thecat2000,
Again, I really love your work and appreciate it very much. I really want to use your themes but the screen size doesn't seem to work with my 19inch monitor. This is a personal request, if it is any possible and no trouble to you at all, can you make it compatible with a screen resolution of 1280x1024? I can wait for this when you add in the silver theme to it. If you can't, that's fine also. Thanks in advance
newworld
by Citizen newworld - 6/27/2001 12:03:04 PM
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marc, for you only i will make the theme to fit your res. It wont be uploaded to wincustomize though. I will e mail the theme to you as a personal favour and request to you only.
Just e mail me and let me know what you want in the theme etc. and I will custom make one for you. [Only you that is].
by Lady thecat2000 - 6/27/2001 1:55:08 PM
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Alexandrie hit the nail on the head. Don't make promises you can't keep. That and that alone is what makes you look foolish. In my eyes, you have sold your soul to WindowsXP. Please prove me wrong and upload something original.
I have nothing more to say about this either. It's a lost cause. I can only hope that someday soon, you will see the light (again).
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thecat2000,
Again, I really love your work and appreciate it very much. I really want to use your themes but the screen size doesn't seem to work with my 19inch monitor. This is a personal request, if it is any possible and no trouble to you at all, can you make it compatible with a screen resolution of 1280x1024? I can wait for this when you add in the silver theme to it. If you can't, that's fine also. Thanks in advance
newworld
by Citizen newworld - 6/27/2001 12:03:04 PM
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marc, for you only i will make the theme to fit your res. It wont be uploaded to wincustomize though. I will e mail the theme to you as a personal favour and request to you only.
Just e mail me and let me know what you want in the theme etc. and I will custom make one for you. [Only you that is].
by Lady thecat2000 - 6/27/2001 1:55:08 PM
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Alexandrie hit the nail on the head. Don't make promises you can't keep. That and that alone is what makes you look foolish. In my eyes, you have sold your soul to WindowsXP. Please prove me wrong and upload something original.
I have nothing more to say about this either. It's a lost cause. I can only hope that someday soon, you will see the light (again).
DavidK
Reply #59 Saturday, July 7, 2001 7:06 PM
Reply #59 Saturday, July 7, 2001 7:06 PM
This is way too serious. Why is anyone getting upset about integrity here. Do you all realize how silly it is to be so dramatic and inflexible about this particular issue? It's not a big deal... really
Spydermonkey
Reply #60 Saturday, July 7, 2001 7:24 PM
Reply #60 Saturday, July 7, 2001 7:24 PM
Thanks for pointing that out DavidK. You are 100%correct. It evolved into this big debate, but really, this whole XP thing is so trivial. And it is rather silly to take it to extremes. Thanks for the head-check.
cat2000, do as you please. I promise not to say a word regarding XP skins from you from this point on. Peace.
cat2000, do as you please. I promise not to say a word regarding XP skins from you from this point on. Peace.
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Reply #41 Friday, July 6, 2001 7:49 PM
Doesn't do a lot for the credibility of your statement here...