Visual Styles domination?

Will windowblinds era come to an end?

Monday, September 6, 2010 by Deea19 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

I'm a regular deviantart visitor and I'm realy surprised by the quantity of nice visual styles for Win7 posted there. Sometimes they can even be more then 4 visual styles for Win7 posted in one single day while the windowblinds skins are getting a little bit rare. I know it takes much more time to create a windowblinds skin but I keep asking myself if the windowblinds skins are going to be left out after some time.

What do you guys think?

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k10w3
Reply #41 Tuesday, September 7, 2010 12:58 PM

But last time I saw a free skin made by some other master skiners was in 2008 at GUI Champ.


Actually, Vampothika put out WildStar and Leprechaun Majik for free.

I have my own personal thoughts on why there are more visual styles than WB, and it doesn't have to do with skinners.  I've been contacted by a few people at DeviantArt asking me to turn my skins into visual styles because they like the skins but have a personal animosity towards Stardock and therefore refuse to use Windowblinds or any other Stardock software.

There have been a lot of changes in the last year and a half here at WinCustomize and with the Stardock customization software, and some people just can't hang with the changes.  I think they're going over to the other side.

RedneckDude
Reply #42 Tuesday, September 7, 2010 1:33 PM

I, RedneckDude, hereby admit that I mistakenly made a comment that has been taken personally by several people and I admit it was stupid on my part to have said it to begin with. I wish to apologize to anyone who takes it personally, because it wasn't meant that way. I pointed at no one in particular, and it was ONLY an opinion. An opinion from someone who has no control over submissions, etc. Who cares what I think?

My gosh people. We all have opinions. Do you all like every skin I make? I doubt it. I'll admit some of my skins aren't top quality. I do my best. I do not get offended every time someone posts an opinion about DX skins in general, even though that may mean me, due to the fact that most new themes are mine.

I do not like every skin that comes through. Neither do you. Not all skins are top quality. That is normal. Skin for yourself, like what you do, don't get so excited about the opinions of others unless, of course, you are singled out by name. I could have been talking about any number of people, but I wasn't. It was a generalized statement which I now regret making.

Now, as I said a few posts back. I have given this topic as much attention as it needs. I have apologized for doing nothing wrong. I'm done.

Happy skinning.......   

DrJBHL
Reply #43 Tuesday, September 7, 2010 2:23 PM

I think you should be put on an eternal apology cycle ... rolling the PDJ up the hill only to have it roll down again just before arriving at the top. Jimiphus... or Redneckyphus.

It'd all be Greek to you anyway.

Sooooo....Ninety nine lashes with a wet noodle. Stoning with popcorn balls.  That's what you deserve. If you whine...punishment trebled.

k10w3
Reply #44 Tuesday, September 7, 2010 2:31 PM

I, RedneckDude, hereby admit that I mistakenly made a comment that has been taken personally by several people and I admit it was stupid on my part to have said it to begin with. I wish to apologize to anyone who takes it personally, because it wasn't meant that way.


Jim, when I first posted to you in this thread, I forgot that you're in the same situation I'm in -- you recently lost a sibling -- you're not going to be your sunny, positive, happy self.  A little bit of depression and negativity is going to show through.  Your world is not as bright as it used to be, you're going to see crap where you didn't see it before because before there was too much sunshine to see flaws, and now that sunshine is gone.  We're all just going to have to get used to the RedneckDude you became after Elbert passed.  Change is slow...we'll figure it out eventually.  That's what family does.

scharchuk
Reply #45 Tuesday, September 7, 2010 5:54 PM

Neil Banfield

Quoting scharchuk, reply 8Why skin Vista at all anymore? It is very similar to 7 in many ways already.

Because people still use Vista as they may not see any reason to pay Microsoft more money.

 

Then make skins for Windows 98 as well...........

CountryYokel
Reply #46 Tuesday, September 7, 2010 6:09 PM

RedneckDude, there is no need to apologize, & I am sorry if you thought I have taken your comments personally, nothing could be further from the truth, due to my illness I find composing & writing posts very difficult & write the minimum amount possible, so that sometimes what I write comes over as very abrupt. What I was trying to do was explain why my Blinds appear on this site "back to back" it is because I do not do anything else,  I think my Blinds are of a reasonable quality but if they are not I would much rather someone told me so, & I can try to put it right, hence my comment to define quality.

As for having an opinion, I am more opinionated than most, & have encouraged my family to be the same, unfortunately so many of our younger generation have no opinions of their own.

I feel very guilty that I do not take an active part in this forum, my almost non-existant particpation has recently turned into non existant, due to the deteriation in my health caused by my condition, but I do read all the posts & think of this site as far more than just somewhere to upload my skins.

 

 

WebGizmos
Reply #47 Tuesday, September 7, 2010 6:57 PM

It's my understanding is that "visual styles" are hacks on your system or is that msstyles? Either way I'm grateful for all the skins people have put out past present and future. And even if every stopped skinning XP I have more than enough skins to make my desktop look awesome.

And for someone like CountryYokel I'm sure he does this for some of the same reason that I do...as a hobby and to have something to do other than stare at 4 walls all day. And I skin...porn...whatever you want to call it...for myself as well as to compliment other peoples skins. I have no expectations of satisfying everyone other than the people I do complimentary skins for in either OD or Winstep. And if I were not in so much pain and extreme discomfort every day I'd be doing more.

And as far as some people that just stop skinning...I think if I had to listen to people that don't skin bitching about how bad or lacking my skin was...I'd probably stop uploading anything anymore as well. So people should just be grateful there are people out there creating anything at all and sharing it with everyone else. And as far as Master skins...Why deny someone the little perk of making a few bucks for something they've been doing for free? I mean we're only talking about the price of a happy meal...so get happy!

Uvah
Reply #48 Tuesday, September 7, 2010 7:14 PM

Sometimes I post and get some responses and sometimes I post and get none. No biggie. But when I see and hear the almost bitching it kinda reminds of why I'm no longer in touch with my real family. The WC community, all it's members past present and hopefully future ones I consider family. We all share a commonality and that is a love of skinning, creating works of art, good or not so good, and having a blast doing it. Lets not fall into the rut please. Off color comments happen and opinions are just that, opinions. I'm on this ball of rock 57 years now and just getting started. I feel like all of you here are my mentors, teaching me how to and all that. I really do not want to lose any of that. Forgive the off color comments, accept what is and please......lets keep this family going. My two cents for whatever its worth.

Vampothika
Reply #49 Tuesday, September 7, 2010 7:29 PM

RedneckDude
Duly noted, Vamps. Wasn't pointing the finger at anyone, just an opinion. If you think I meant you, then maybe you're a little unhappy with your own work? I certainly have no problem with your skins. Most aren't my taste but they are quality. Again, not talking about anyone in particular.

That said, if you check the galleries, you'll see that I do quite a few original skins, making my own graphics. I just happen to specialize in matching blinds. If not me, who? No one else is doing it. Just like those who make docks, rainys, xions, etc. Matching skins by anyone is using the original author's graphics.  Everyone you mentioned I have made DXes for. Now would I do that if I thought they were bad skins?

thats fair enough, I just my nose out of joint when people make flippant comments about windowblinds, especially when there is an enormous amount of work that goes into them, I was going to comment on another post recently when someone said something horrible about a recent wb that was uploaded, because that op didnt obviously realize the amount of work that goes into them.  but I decided to just 'stay out of it'

we also have alot of new wb skinners here at the moment....i thnk we should be giving them a chance. we all start from zero at somepoint in our life.

 

and Deea, im actually working on a new skin right now called Hermes moon which is going to be a free skin, to be frank, master skins makes diddly squat money, and in future Im not going to wait 3 months for a cheque worth 26 bucks, then lose 10 bucks for the transfer from yank to aussie dollars.....

I actaully decided last week if I do make another master skin, it wont be for a very very long time, id rather just create and upload for the world to enjoy.

and I live rather well on my disability pension from the government, so im not dependant on master skin sales  at all.

xxxx

Jafo
Reply #50 Tuesday, September 7, 2010 7:51 PM

It's my understanding is that "visual styles" are hacks on your system or is that msstyles?

"Visual styles" applies to both the Msstyles 'hack', the signed msstyles that MS includes with the OS, and Windowblinds, too.

"Msstyles" is more specifically the third party visual styles made to be adopted by the OS directly through an unauthorized modification [hack] of a proprietary Microsoft library file [uxtheme.dll].

Some justify the use of the 'hack' violation of Microsoft's IP by saying it 'only' does it in memory [now] [which is irrelevant, btw] and that MS has not pursued their IP protection through a cease and desist 'request'.  They take that as tacit consent.

The Msstyles 'hack' visual styles are as [equally] limited in design options as their origins [the MS - created styles].

Windowblinds, on the other hand has always allowed more scope for creativity, even before being able to skin 'everything' as was/is the case with later OS vers...from XP onwards.

[a short history of styles/skinning]....

Deea19
Reply #51 Wednesday, September 8, 2010 3:07 AM

Vampothika I can't wait to see your new skin Hermes moon. Thank you and to other skinners who keep wincustomize alive

sydneysiders
Reply #52 Wednesday, September 8, 2010 5:23 AM

im actually working on a new skin right now called Hermes moon

 

I hope the My Cat Sugiyowi one isn't permanently shelved.....   that was a very cute idea...

 

Vampothika
Reply #53 Wednesday, September 8, 2010 5:42 AM

I hope the My Cat Sugiyowi one isn't permanently shelved..... that was a very cute idea...

 

that one is currently shelved at the moment.....ive noticed that everytime i put up a wip i seem to jinx myself and then dont complete the project....so wip is out for me from now on! i still want to do sugiyowi.......but hermes has my heart atm.....

Vampothika
Reply #54 Wednesday, September 8, 2010 5:47 AM

Deea19
Vampothika I can't wait to see your new skin Hermes moon. Thank you and to other skinners who keep wincustomize alive

 

deea, google hermes moon, he is  a cute little rabbit with yellow wing ears......if you fall in love with him, you will love the skin.

i found him on gaia a few months back and just fell in love....i bought him too, on my gaia account. xxx

natas2
Reply #55 Wednesday, September 8, 2010 6:09 AM

RedneckDude

What does porning mean ?
John, I think it's what WebGizmos does when he makes docks for you, or what Xiandi does when she makes a rainy for someone's blind.

 

Or maybe it's what Messiah did when he used to make all your docks....I dunno....confused..       

 

You're on the right track Jim, but I'm pretty sure she meant porting, which is what you are talking about.

Deea19
Reply #56 Wednesday, September 8, 2010 6:44 AM

 Vampothika at first i though it will be a space windowblind skin But the rabbit idea it's really cute. Now I'm even more curious to see how this will turn out

sydneysiders
Reply #57 Wednesday, September 8, 2010 7:09 AM

google hermes moon, he is a cute little rabbit with yellow wing ears......

 

awwwww.....

 

 

Now I'm even more curious to see how this will turn out

I'm guessing cute and Iglooesque....

RedneckDude
Reply #58 Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:06 PM

natas2



Quoting RedneckDude,
reply 18

What does porning mean ?
John, I think it's what WebGizmos does when he makes docks for you, or what Xiandi does when she makes a rainy for someone's blind.

 

Or maybe it's what Messiah did when he used to make all your docks....I dunno....confused..       


 

You're on the right track Jim, but I'm pretty sure she meant porting, which is what you are talking about.

Yeah, just yanking her chain! 

G3mpi3
Reply #59 Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:21 PM

Yeah, just yanking her chain!

Oh, so you're one of THOSE porn stars, eh Jim?

k10w3
Reply #60 Monday, September 27, 2010 6:50 PM

I guess we all figured out why the deviantArt visual styles in Win7 are dominating....it's because the visual styles rippers there are robbing our masters and journeyman of images and putting together Frankenstein skins with bits and pieces, because they lack any imagination and originality when it comes to images.

Of COURSE it's easier and quicker to create a skin with parts that somebody else has already dreamed up! 

I'm wondering how long I'll be able to stomach what's going on over there (dA).  It's bad enough there's a bazillion pictures of Miley Cyrus in galleries that have absolutely nothing to do with that type of thing, annoyingly disorganized, etc. (take a look at the IconPackager section if you need an example of what I'm bitching about), but now to see the rampant ripping, cut-and-paste themes that are allowed to remain, are just taking the cake.

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