iTunes is going to change the world...
Thursday, October 16, 2003 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News
Well iTunes is out and boy is it cool. I've used it on the Mac for quite awhile but seeing it on Windows really brings it into the mainstream.
If you haven't tried it yet, I highly recommend giving iTunes a try. The excuse to pirate music is over. At 99 cents a song and seamless integration with CD burning, purchasing, and downloading, it makes dealing with music a snap.
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qrayg
Reply #22 Friday, October 17, 2003 9:07 AM
Reply #22 Friday, October 17, 2003 9:07 AM
The cost issue that people are complaining about is a none-issue for most people that enjoy non-radio hit music.
My favorite band is Dream Theater and every one of their albums has between 8-10 songs (about 10 minutes per song). In the store the albums cost about $13. On the Apple store they would cost between $8-$10. THAT IS A DEAL.
My favorite band is Dream Theater and every one of their albums has between 8-10 songs (about 10 minutes per song). In the store the albums cost about $13. On the Apple store they would cost between $8-$10. THAT IS A DEAL.
paxx
Reply #23 Friday, October 17, 2003 9:24 AM
Reply #23 Friday, October 17, 2003 9:24 AM
Well, I decided to try it out after all, so I downloaded and installed it. On first run I get this message
"The iTunes Music Store is not available in your country yet. You will be able to browse music and listen to previews but you won't be able to purchase music unless your biling address is in the United States."
Or maybe it's good news, as maybe they'll adapt the content in different countries.
"The iTunes Music Store is not available in your country yet. You will be able to browse music and listen to previews but you won't be able to purchase music unless your biling address is in the United States."
Or maybe it's good news, as maybe they'll adapt the content in different countries.
mormegil
Reply #24 Friday, October 17, 2003 10:43 AM
Reply #24 Friday, October 17, 2003 10:43 AM
ya, forgot about that, it is US only at the monment. Thats one less thing to worrie about for now.
DiscoPopStar
Reply #25 Friday, October 17, 2003 11:34 AM
Reply #25 Friday, October 17, 2003 11:34 AM
I guess it is fine if you are a mainstream, only-now music fan. When they start offering a lot of the tunes that are out-of-print (I am a child of the 80s, unlike all you kids) then I might be interested.
mormegil
Reply #26 Friday, October 17, 2003 12:00 PM
Reply #26 Friday, October 17, 2003 12:00 PM
I have found alot of older stuff, but there just getting started. If it is a bigenough hit, i would not be suprised if in a year or so you will be able to get just about anything.
kthxbye
Reply #27 Friday, October 17, 2003 12:06 PM
Reply #27 Friday, October 17, 2003 12:06 PM
"The CD can have a poster, special paper, the CD can be cut in a funky shape, grow in the dark, link up with another case, include a book, and other marketing stuff."
Bah. When I go to get a CD there's only one thing I want: Music.
DiscoPopStar: If you poke about and find the age of many of the long-time people here... you'll be surprised.
Personally, I consider myself one of the young ones, and I too am a child of the 80s! 
But, that's getting slightly off topic - so, I'll quickly amend that: I'm still in love with iTunes radio. None of the problems that Eugenia had over at OSNews.. but then (Nothing against Eugenia,) she winds up having problems with -everything- she tries running on a computer.
Bah. When I go to get a CD there's only one thing I want: Music.
DiscoPopStar: If you poke about and find the age of many of the long-time people here... you'll be surprised.
Personally, I consider myself one of the young ones, and I too am a child of the 80s! 
But, that's getting slightly off topic - so, I'll quickly amend that: I'm still in love with iTunes radio. None of the problems that Eugenia had over at OSNews.. but then (Nothing against Eugenia,) she winds up having problems with -everything- she tries running on a computer.
cambion
Reply #28 Friday, October 17, 2003 4:07 PM
Reply #28 Friday, October 17, 2003 4:07 PM
Heh - born in 1967 here.... grew up in the 80's! lol
Well, I ran over to Apple's site and gave this thing a whirl. This gets a serious "2 thumbs down" from me...
Thumb 1: content - nothing to see here folks, unless you happen to only want to listen to music that is now or has been in regular rotation on MTV. All major label stuff as of now, and not even complete catalogues of those artists. Into independent music of any kind? Forget it.
Thumb 2: "rights management" - the way I see it, if I'm paying FULL PRICE for my music, I ought to be able to listen to it on as many music dexices as I want to (I have 2 computers, an mP3 player for my bike, another one I listen to when I snowboard, a 20gig unit in my bedroom, and a CD/MP3 player in my truck). Can't do that here, unless you are willing to physically burn your stuff to an audio CD and then reconvert the tracks to MP3 in another application, thereby (hopefully) nixing the "rights management" on the tracks. Oh, be careful though, because you can only burn a track to CD 10 times before you will no longer have access to it. Utter BS in my opinion.
If I buy 12 tracks here, I pay 12 bucks for pure data I am severely limited in my use of.
If I buy the CD, I pay around 12 bucks for around 12 tracks, I have the physical disc, the tracks in an uncompressed format, and I can listen to them wherever, however, and however many times I want.
In the past, end-user "rights managemnt" has been grudgingly accepted either because the consumer was paying for overly compressed data, or paying far less than store-bought CD prices. Neither of these is currently the case, and I am frankly insulted that I am expected to buy something and then have stipulations on how, where, and how many times I can use it.
But hey, if it works for you, rock on, man. I certainly won't be giving these jerks any of my money, though.
Well, I ran over to Apple's site and gave this thing a whirl. This gets a serious "2 thumbs down" from me...
Thumb 1: content - nothing to see here folks, unless you happen to only want to listen to music that is now or has been in regular rotation on MTV. All major label stuff as of now, and not even complete catalogues of those artists. Into independent music of any kind? Forget it.
Thumb 2: "rights management" - the way I see it, if I'm paying FULL PRICE for my music, I ought to be able to listen to it on as many music dexices as I want to (I have 2 computers, an mP3 player for my bike, another one I listen to when I snowboard, a 20gig unit in my bedroom, and a CD/MP3 player in my truck). Can't do that here, unless you are willing to physically burn your stuff to an audio CD and then reconvert the tracks to MP3 in another application, thereby (hopefully) nixing the "rights management" on the tracks. Oh, be careful though, because you can only burn a track to CD 10 times before you will no longer have access to it. Utter BS in my opinion.
If I buy 12 tracks here, I pay 12 bucks for pure data I am severely limited in my use of.
If I buy the CD, I pay around 12 bucks for around 12 tracks, I have the physical disc, the tracks in an uncompressed format, and I can listen to them wherever, however, and however many times I want.
In the past, end-user "rights managemnt" has been grudgingly accepted either because the consumer was paying for overly compressed data, or paying far less than store-bought CD prices. Neither of these is currently the case, and I am frankly insulted that I am expected to buy something and then have stipulations on how, where, and how many times I can use it.
But hey, if it works for you, rock on, man. I certainly won't be giving these jerks any of my money, though.
joetheblow
Reply #29 Friday, October 17, 2003 6:54 PM
Reply #29 Friday, October 17, 2003 6:54 PM
See??? That is why CD's will never go out of fashion cambion. You have the music and now you can listen to it where ever you want BUT you got to pay a couple of dollars more, that's all.
Me personally, I still like MusicMatch more, but it is nice to also have iTunes as an option. I still find myself at the store though, wanted the CD. Its just more 'real' to me then other forms.
When I get the CD, I have it. Hard copy and all. If it a download, I got it but not everything.
You know what I mean?
Me personally, I still like MusicMatch more, but it is nice to also have iTunes as an option. I still find myself at the store though, wanted the CD. Its just more 'real' to me then other forms.
When I get the CD, I have it. Hard copy and all. If it a download, I got it but not everything.
You know what I mean?
paxx
Reply #30 Friday, October 17, 2003 8:33 PM
Reply #30 Friday, October 17, 2003 8:33 PM
I actually went to buymusic.com, and I think I like it better. At least I don't have to have another specific software to buy songs, play or burn music. But alas, it's for US residents only as well.
Frogboy
Reply #31 Friday, October 17, 2003 9:30 PM
Reply #31 Friday, October 17, 2003 9:30 PM
Paxx: Except Media Player you mean right? It downloads it into a special format of .wma.
Cambion: You can, right from iTunes, burn a CD that youcan use anywhere just like a regular CD.
paxx
Reply #32 Friday, October 17, 2003 10:27 PM
Reply #32 Friday, October 17, 2003 10:27 PM
I already have and use Media Player, so it suits me. 
And Media Player is skinnable.
And Media Player is skinnable.
kthxbye
Reply #33 Friday, October 17, 2003 11:35 PM
Reply #33 Friday, October 17, 2003 11:35 PM
I tell you weaht though - I /really/ want to live where you guys do, where you're finding $13 audio CDs! ^.^
bussie
Reply #35 Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:21 AM
Reply #35 Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:21 AM
Hi,
pirate music isn't over yet because:
- this kind of services are not available for people living outside the US. In Europa there is a problem with copyrights (E-Data)
- sometimes 99 cent a song is too expensive, the total CD is sometimes cheaper in the store
- the sound quality is i think not good enough
In Holland there are stores where you can rent CD's for about $3 a day. Buy a empty CD (less then 50 cents), copy it.. voila!
This is still the best option. All the downloading from music, i don't get it....
pirate music isn't over yet because:
- this kind of services are not available for people living outside the US. In Europa there is a problem with copyrights (E-Data)
- sometimes 99 cent a song is too expensive, the total CD is sometimes cheaper in the store
- the sound quality is i think not good enough
In Holland there are stores where you can rent CD's for about $3 a day. Buy a empty CD (less then 50 cents), copy it.. voila!
This is still the best option. All the downloading from music, i don't get it....
werewolf
Reply #36 Saturday, October 18, 2003 1:34 PM
Reply #36 Saturday, October 18, 2003 1:34 PM
I've been using buymusic.com for awhile and like it. Hopefully they will get a few more titles in there soon. I'm thinking about giving itunes a try. One of the main things I appreciate so far is that there is no subscription fee, as there is in a couple of other sites.
This is probably the wave of the future for music buying.
I don't miss the 'hardware' of store bought cd's. I can fire up psp and the roxio jewel case creator and make my own.
This is probably the wave of the future for music buying.
I don't miss the 'hardware' of store bought cd's. I can fire up psp and the roxio jewel case creator and make my own.
werewolf
Reply #37 Saturday, October 18, 2003 1:36 PM
Reply #37 Saturday, October 18, 2003 1:36 PM
one thing not so hot about itunes, I hate real player oh well, we shall see.
oh well, we shall see.
werewolf
Reply #39 Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:36 PM
Reply #39 Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:36 PM
paxx, yeah...sorry, lost my head there.
Well, the whole experience has been pretty painless. Installed the software, bought a couple of albums, burned them to CD. The UI is a little slow (as others have pointed out), and having to rip the CD so that other players can recognize the music was a bit much, but all is well. Streaming radio sounded great. I'd recommend the package.
Well, the whole experience has been pretty painless. Installed the software, bought a couple of albums, burned them to CD. The UI is a little slow (as others have pointed out), and having to rip the CD so that other players can recognize the music was a bit much, but all is well. Streaming radio sounded great. I'd recommend the package.
mfaccone
Reply #40 Saturday, October 18, 2003 5:29 PM
Reply #40 Saturday, October 18, 2003 5:29 PM
Well... I can see where it would be reasonable for nonpublished artists to get their work out and make a little money. But 99 cents a shot... sharing it with Apple and RIAA... they won't see a dime or penny as the case might be.
Anyway... as long as RIAA is vent on suing little girls whose mom is on welfare for thousands of dollars and just being moronically and seriously greedy... I won't even buy an individual song with this method or even the actual CD.
I used to download lots of individual songs to hear... then go out and buy the CD. Now I won't do it.
Anyway... as long as RIAA is vent on suing little girls whose mom is on welfare for thousands of dollars and just being moronically and seriously greedy... I won't even buy an individual song with this method or even the actual CD.
I used to download lots of individual songs to hear... then go out and buy the CD. Now I won't do it.
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Reply #21 Friday, October 17, 2003 6:43 AM
Rock on Ireland!!
Max