So do you prescribe statins for your patients with high level's of ldl or not? Do you recommend that your patients with certain risk factors get flu shots or not?

All of these things are statistics which as you say demonstrate association without necessarily *proving* causation. But at some point you need to accept the reality that's staring you in the face even though it conflicts with your politics.

So your professional recomendation as a physician is for your patients to go without insurance?

You're cracking me up, Sam.

He just likes to use selective quoting and not the whole law.  He proved he can read simple words, but not understand much.  he still cant google, and now he cant understand what he reads.

And that is supposed to be a surprise?

The original statement had nothing to do about getting lollipops after a shot.  He is just trying to weasel his way out of admitting he was just flat out WRONG.

It is revealing when the left gets to weaseling.  So by extension, you feel that anyone paying for tuna fish should get filet mignon?  By your statement above, you are advocating that.  Clearly tuna fish is nutritious and will sustain you. But since someone else PAID for filet mignon, then EVERYONE should have it.

It is enlightening to see the truth finally coming out.

An assinine statement.  You "presume" that everyone with insurance goes for routine medical checkups too.  You can lead a horse to water.....

But they still get medical care, so your point is?  Oh, I see, the filet mignon argument again.  It is not a donut hole (it is a hole for some), but guess what?  They still do not pay. But now they do.

And you have proof?  Show me the studies that say 100% of them are screwed - and to which ones these filet mignon snappers are associated with.

I see. so everyone with insurance is cured, and everyone without never has a chance?  Ok, that is an exageration of your statement (for effect), but that is a nice neat package you have wrapped up.  And your case studies are where?

Right, the lollipop syndrome.

Studies conclude that people who eat carrots are 100% likely to die.  So we should ban carrots?  You have showed no causailty, and not even a statistical relationship between insurance and death.  All you have done is make a grand statement without any backup proof or taking into account the life styles of the 2 different groups (in other words, you are saying that God is punishing gays because gays have a higher incidence of AIDS than straights - as there is no way you can incorporate lifestyle choices into the equations).

But then that is what liberals do - condemn, not investigate causes.

This one I love the most.  So when those 45k died, they asked them if they had insurance?  NOPE!

The studies asked them 15 years ago if they had insurance at that time.  Then they ASSUMED those people never got insurance before they died.

So much for your talking points.  Got any links there MF?

Here's something actually worth listening to.

Of course, you realize that John Stewart is a comedian and not a member of the media. (Heavily edited video clips of tea party and a few republicans posted in above post).  The mainstream media in this country is very heavily biased towards the left wing anyway. Fear and bleeding heart stories sell.

On another subject, but related to health care... I personally know 2 general practitioners (m.d's) that plan on going into early retirement due to falling wages and higher malpractice insurance costs. --- these are a few things we dont hear about from the mainstream media, but are real life problems that the government apparantly doesnt think about.

End result, Fewer doctors to treat more people.

End result, Lower quality health care.

End result, Less people wanting to enter the medical field due to the fact that the government is now their boss.

End result, The government telling their new employees (doctors) how they must treat and care for their patients, hence in turn means telling the patient what treatments they can have or not have.

End result, More big pharmaceutical companies shoving their wares down your throat.  (can you smell lobbyists and special interests loving this).

Try this... You see my member name on the left, above that cigarette smoking smiley? (narbytrout)

Click on the member name.  You should now have a drop down menu, and the first choice should be " view narbytrout's profile"--- click on that, it will take you to my member page.

Yep!  That is MF.  can't understand the written word.  So we know he never reads what he says he does. RIF, MF, RIF.  Try it.  You may actually learn something (doubtful, but hey!  Worth a shot if you want to be taken for more than a blithering idiot).  Your choice.

So the question is from which site did you access my member page that you were able to see my motto? The only logical site is GalCiv2 if so then the link I gave is the same place you saw my motto. But if you weren't using the GalCiv2 site I'm not sure how you would been able to see my motto.

Here's your profile page from the GalCiv2 site. See no motto.

But if you go to your Metaverse Profile. There's your motto.

Here's your profile from the Impulsedriven site. Still no motto, but instead of a link to your Metaverse profile there's a link to your Impulsedriven blog.

Finally here's your Impulsedriven blog. Again no motto (BTW the link is bad you need to replace .com with .net in the url).

So the question still remains. DId you get my motto from my Metaverse Profile or some other way?

much obliqued!

not exactly "richard", but close enough to demonstrate how well memory serves you. 

haven't hadda lotta spare time until just recently what with compulsory re-education camp, ramped up demand for increasingly convoluted intriques within the supreme council of the proletariat, hosting another annual al quaeda recruitment campaign not to mention committing to a pro-bono stint as ersatz etching advisor to harwaii's  dept of vital records documents production plant.

at least i'm not as bad off as those good folks down to larouche campaign 2024 headquarters who now need a real break if they expect to regain their position in the next leg of crazytown's race off the edge.

Your squarely welcome.  Yes, Richard you're not.  Momentary lapse of reason.  Good to see you exercising the fingertips, anyway.

Mumblefratz, I did what I said I did, except you need to add one step... after going to your member page, click "Wincustomize Site" above the avatar.

Then you will see this...

Please allow time for MF to actually learn something.  He is ED.

As I had mentioned:

In effect you don't have a single profile page you have 12 different profile pages. Most people don't realize this and usually *assume* that people are on the site that they are on. However unless you say something that indicates your site of orgin there is no way anyone can guess.

In the future keep this in mind as your site of origin can make substantial difference. For example some asshole calling you ED because you couldn't find the link that didn't exist on any of the sites that you happened to check.

For future reference these are Stardock's different forum sites.

http://forums.demigodthegame.com/
https://forums.elementalgame.com/
https://forums.galciv2.com/
http://forums.impulsedriven.com/
https://forums.joeuser.com/
https://forums.politicalmachine.com/
https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/
https://forums.stardock.com/
http://tgnforums.stardock.com/
http://forums.vistathemes.com/
https://forums.wincustomize.com/
http://forums.xpthemes.com/

If you guys are serious about a socialized healthcare system then improving the overall American quality of health and life should be your top priority.  Such systems can get by in Europe because they don't live unhealthy lifestyles on par as we do.

-An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Who is serious?  Not me.

Our lifestyles in the United States are ridiculously unhealthy. 

There's a great new show called Food Revolution that outlines how lazy our habits are when it comes to eating.

When Europeans talk about universal healthcare, they are making cultural assumptions that don't apply here.  

Europe doesn't have universal healthcare. Individual countries in Europe have it.  This is a very big difference and one often ignored in these debates.  I haven't seen any proposals for a standardized EU health plan (for instance).  I don't see a scenario where the citizens of France are going to be willing to fork over the increased taxes to provide the kind of healthcare they have to the people in Bulgaria.

Let me put it in perspective, the standard of living in terms of GDP per person in say the Netherlands is around $30k annually give or take. Romania's is $9,100.  I haven't heard of any serious proposals in the EU to do something about this. Yet, I regularly will see righteous indignation if Americans oppose a federally mandated healthcare system.

If any state in the US wants to try it (like Massachusetts has) then that's fine. There's nothing stopping a state from doing that just like France, UK, Germany, etc. have set up their own different systems that meet their needs. 

But when the federal government of 300+ million people tries to implement blanket policies for the whole country, you get into some really serious problems.

Germany has 100 million people (give or take) so its not farfetched to assume that a country with 300 million could do it too.  The problem is exactly as you're describing Brad.....each state thinks of itself as a country unto itself.  The problem in the US isn't the number of people OR the disparity of income level (which exists everywhere.....just ask a Turkish immigrant in Germany), it's the lack of unity of state of mind.  Plain and simple.

Up here in Canada we know all too well what happens when a province thinks it's better than all the rest........it can go live in FRANCE!   hehe 

This is far too big of an issue to deal with assumptions.

fine....poor choice of words......I'll change it to EXPECT then!  Since I do have have such an expectation.

By the way narby, way to show exactly what you're focused on when reading my posts.  Nothing in response but to pick apart my post and completely ignore my point.  Makes me wonder why I even bother coming here anymore...............pointless really.

Germany has 100 million people (give or take) so its not farfetched to expect (*changed to satisfy the grammar-nazi's around here*) that a country with 300 million could do it too.  The problem is exactly as you're describing Brad.....each state thinks of itself as a country unto itself.  The problem in the US isn't the number of people OR the disparity of income level (which exists everywhere.....just ask a Turkish immigrant in Germany), it's the lack of unity of state of mind.  Plain and simple.

Up here in Canada we know all too well what happens when a province thinks it's better than all the rest........it can go live in FRANCE!   hehe