Wincustomize.com Promotions

How They Work And Why. A History.

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 by Jafo | Discussion: Community

 

from Patrick Ford
Wincustomize Access    5/06/2001 2.54am
Hi Jafo,

Just letting you know that the admins at WinCustomize have voted to raise
your access to Master (Congratulations).  Just so  you are aware you will
need to log off and log back on again in order for your access level to be
properly updated.

Sincerely,
Patrick Ford (T-Man)
 
When Wincustomize.com was founded following the untimely demise of skinz.org at the hands of eFront in early 2001, Frogboy [and several others] had seen the need for a more stable foundation for the skinning Community, a group who had been constantly disrupted by closures/failures of the then 4 or 5 major public skinning sites.

The first skinning-specific site to come online was Customize.org....which went offline for almost a year to redefine/renew itself.  Deskmod suffered what was described as a catastrophic database loss.  Deviantart was new and promising, under the direction of Jark but the focus was more than skinning and ultimately skinning was quite 'secondary' to the more established Art forms/media.  The alternate shell [Litestep] sites were lucky to be up from one week to the next, and finally skinz.org ....fell victim to a dot-com advertising on-seller whose ethics were publicly shown to be far less than ideal [though it was entertaining].  There were [and still are] smaller sites devoted to skinning, however their 'market reach/penetration' was, and still is quite small.

Thankfully [for us all] Stardock/Frogboy came to the rescue and Wincustomize.com was born.  She has since proven over the following 8 years to have underlined a new standard in longevity and reliability.  Skinning's Community now had a place it could call HOME.
Being a Community site, IE a site for both skinners and users alike, it was a bold move on Stardock's part to engage in what some detractors saw as 'elitism' but what we know now as the "Wincustomize Promotions".

A site such as Wincustomize is not going to be the same thing to/for everyone.  Some will see it as the staging ground showroom for their craft [skins] whilst others will be involved only to access/download whatever others have offered for download.
Different degrees of involvement really meant that not everyone really was/is created equal, not in the microcosm that is skinning's Wincustomize, so User Levels were set up.
Citizen, Apprentice, Master Apprentice, Journeyman, and Master.

There are others, eg. Exiled, Visitor, Wizop, and Admin, however they are more to do with the 'running' of the site.

Currently there are around 3.8 Million  people who have registered with Stardock/Wincustomize and [as was always intended/expected] the vast majority are 'Citizens'.

So.  How does one get beyond that basic User Level?

Involvement.  [yep, simple as that].

Many [most] people will see and use the site as a resource, downloading content to improve/alter the appearance of their systems.....

....but others will get the itch to maybe look under the hood and find out how to do it all themselves.  They may hop onto the forum/s with a query....and just never leave.
In the end their nick becomes commonly noticed [hopefully in a good way] and the site Admins/Wizops will propose them for advancement. Once this process has repeated itself a few times a User can find himself promoted to 'Master'.

What is naturally expected from this process is that each subsequent level achieved is reflected by a similarly elevated attitude/devotion towards Wincustomize and its Community, so much so that fairly recently [in the site's history] it was considered only appropriate that the Dedication of the Masters towards the site be rewarded with an opportunity to benefit commercially via the Master Skin sales.
By and large this whole process has been shown to be quite successful.  There is almost never a 'reversal' of promotion [such would be an indication of poor judgement on our part].

So, what does all this mean to the casual/new User?

When someone first comes to the site he/she may find "Journeyman Jones" to be a quaint/odd affectation.... but will soon be aware that these senior levels is where one is likely to get the 'best' guidance within the skinning [and Community] environment, as it's not about User ID Numbers [being low] but more about User Ranking [a truer reflection of Community/site
 involvement/interaction].

Yes, old/founding site members [UserIDs in the teens] may still be at Citizen level....and 'new' members with UserIDs in the three-millions may be Masters already, as it is all about what you do, not about how long you have done it.

So...."How do I get promoted?  I want to sell my skins one day"

Well...asking won't help, as won't becoming an Admin/Wizop groupie....

All you need to do is show a committment to skinning, and a respect and appreciation for all your fellow skinners/enthusiasts/users....
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Island Dog
Reply #21 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:55 AM

Very good. 

 

teddybearcholla
Reply #22 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:11 AM

Interesting read on the history of the various sites!!!! 

BoXXi
Reply #23 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:35 AM

Yeah, but he isn't talking to me.

WHich is fine. Just fine. Two can play that. Yup

Did someone say something?

 

Fuzzy Logic
Reply #24 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:36 PM

Yeah, but he isn't talking to me.

WHich is fine. Just fine. Two can play that. Yup.

Nobody wants to talk to you...

Fuzzy Logic
Reply #25 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:37 PM

there are some wikked masters around, here are the ones i know of:

You forgot 'lil ol' me...

zakai1369
Reply #26 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:01 PM

Interesting read

PoSmedley
Reply #27 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:12 PM

Nobody wants to talk to you...

I can tell when I have my messenger opens. All the little green buttons turn red so quickly.

We bought new cell phones and my wife felt it necassary to add contacts to mine. She felt I was 'lacking'. I was asked why all my 'WC Freinds' weren't in my contacts.

I forgot where I was going with this.

vStyler
Reply #28 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:24 PM

I'd like to say this, according to this post and the official description for the all the levels I would like to put forward my best words on behalf of LightStar (Tom) for promotion to Master.. a member for 7 years, over 35 windowblinds posted to Wincustomize and including his VS's almost 250 overall windows themes (prolific), always as helpful as he can be in the community, owns several customization sites accross the spectrum and been in integral in the development of other commercial skinning ventures, he has fostered other skinners behind the scenes for years.

In addition personally, If it weren't for him I wouldn't be where I am today, as a skinner, a dad or a person. Heck I may not even have a home if it weren't for him, I most certainly wouldn't be skinning.

He has helped me more than any one person should have over many years and I feel it would be wonderful for him to finally get the ultimate recognition from the community for all he has done.

If anyone is deserved of the position..he is.

Just my 2c on it all.

 

Thanks for everything Tom and good luck buddy.

sydneysiders
Reply #29 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:40 PM

here here! .......he certainly is an exceptional member....

 

Snowman
Reply #30 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:01 PM

Recommending another user for promotion is of course free for anyone to do, but is not a guarantee that said user will make it onto the promotion-list.
As far as I know, it hasn't happend yet, so far.

I think Jafo forgot to mention who actually is in charge of the promotions, which is only the moderators and siteadmins.
If a user is put up for Master promotion, Stardock steps in and 'validates' if the user is ready for this promotion.

vStyler
Reply #31 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:04 PM

I understand fully and don't feel I should have any sway, nor do i expect it.

I do believe good begets good.

Vampothika
Reply #32 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:18 PM

Recommending another user for promotion is of course free for anyone to do, but is not a guarantee that said user will make it onto the promotion-list.

As far as I know, it hasn't happend yet, so far.

I think Jafo forgot to mention who actually is in charge of the promotions, which is only the moderators and siteadmins.

If a user is put up for Master promotion, Stardock steps in and 'validates' if the user is ready for this promotion.

 

 

sorry i forgot to mention you fuzzeh!!!! you are my master vulcan

sAARGe
Reply #33 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:45 PM

fantastic post jafo .....

i think "adni18" is missing here .........

Frogboy
Reply #34 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:12 PM

I'd like to say this, according to this post and the official description for the all the levels I would like to put forward my best words on behalf of LightStar (Tom) for promotion to Master.. a member for 7 years, over 35 windowblinds posted to Wincustomize and including his VS's almost 250 overall windows themes (prolific), always as helpful as he can be in the community, owns several customization sites accross the spectrum and been in integral in the development of other commercial skinning ventures, he has fostered other skinners behind the scenes for years.

From the rules:

Masters 

These are the "elders" of the skinning community. People who have been around for awhile. Only a few people will be at this class. To be a Master, not only must the user be a significant contributor to the community, but instrumental to the day to day life of WinCustomize. A Master can do everything a Journeyman can do plus they can nominate and vote on users to be promoted.

 

LightStar's website: http://www.wincustomizing.com/

Now, I personally like Lightstar. However, for years, he has straddled the fence between WinCustomize and anything/anyone that competes with it.  First it was TGT Soft and now it's The Skins Factory.  I don't begrudge him doing that but it certainly would keep him from being a Master.  

Someone who is a Master should be someone who has made WinCustomize their home or, at the very least, hasn't set up competing sites that use domain names that are nearly the same in order to sell competing products.

 

vStyler
Reply #35 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:20 PM

Well, it is your site and It makes sense now at least why he hasn't been promoted, I honestly doubt the small income income it produces really makes any difference to the day to day fininces of Stardock and I'm positive nothing was done out of malice but on principle I understand.

It's a pity it seems to have negated all the good he's done.

sydneysiders
Reply #36 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:42 PM

there are some wikked masters around, here are the ones i know of:

boxxi

treetog

mikeb

starone

essorant

irbrainiac

20f3

there are probably heaps more, but im thinking of wb skinners.......

 

and Z71.... SK...& dani.... 

 

 

I would assume that it would be a rare circumstance for someone to be demoted. Has it ever happened?


No, not yet...



Edit: well, I've just been corrected by a fellow mod. We have demoted one user (Journeyman) once, for 1 month, and re-promoted again.

 

seems Night Train is now showing  Journeyman...

Island Dog
Reply #37 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:52 PM

Yes.  If a "master" changes their username, and removes all their skins.  I think that's an indication they don't want to be around WC and therefore status removed. 

Xiandi
Reply #38 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:01 PM

These are the "elders" of the skinning community. People who have been around for awhile. Only a few people will be at this class. To be a Master, not only must the user be a significant contributor to the community, but instrumental to the day to day life of WinCustomize. A Master can do everything a Journeyman can do plus they can nominate and vote on users to be promoted.

I think Jafo forgot to mention who actually is in charge of the promotions, which is only the moderators and siteadmins.

I was always under the impression that masters got to vote on the promotions, and if it passed, that person got promoted...now I see it's the mods and admin only. I'm confused. Can someone explain how that process actually works?

PoSmedley
Reply #39 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:07 PM

I was always under the impression that masters got to vote on the promotions, and if it passed, that person got promoted...

I'm confused as well. I thought when you reached Journeyman or Master you could nominate folks for any promotion. I thought Masters got to vote.

 

vStyler
Reply #40 Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:07 PM

Ive nominated a few people, never been asked to vote on them nor have any other Masters I know come to think of it.

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